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I think she was crushed between the cars when the car slammed into the one before backing up. You can see in a photo I posted way up thread, there is a lot of hair and blood on the car that was hit. I'm actually surprised more people weren't killed. He took a three block running start and had some momentum behind him.

Yes - what likely saved a lot of people from getting killed was the presence of the other cars.  People were off to the side, rather than being in the middle of the street.
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Yes - what likely saved a lot of people from getting killed was the presence of the other cars.  People were off to the side, rather than being in the middle of the street.

I was reading some articles from the NPPA (National Press Photographer Association) about covering events like these and suggest #1 was never be in the middle of the street or in the front of the crowd, especially if things look like they will escalate.

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Yes - what likely saved a lot of people from getting killed was the presence of the other cars.  People were off to the side, rather than being in the middle of the street.

Which makes me question is the driver really had to motive of inflicting mass casualties, or if he was fleeing because he felt threatened. 

Well, that's what the trial should be for,  to answer those questions.

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I was reading some articles from the NPPA (National Press Photographer Association) about covering events like these and suggest #1 was never be in the middle of the street or in the front of the crowd, especially if things look like they will escalate.

Ground view is always the most dangerous.  I alway prefered to shoot down.  Safer elevation.

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Anyway several police officers at the station here think the guy running people down wasn't malicious. They said the driver was scared
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Who is Taylor Lorenz? She is the reporter for the Hill that was punched in the face yesterday; apparently the suspect additionally has an outstanding warrant.

I see the police chief is saying it was a premeditated act, maybe or even probably. I'm sure he has some pressure on him as well.
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Now, let me get this straight, the master negotiator was out maneuvered by Turkey? Turkey?

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Which makes me question is the driver really had to motive of inflicting mass casualties, or if he was fleeing because he felt threatened. 

Well, that's what the trial should be for,  to answer those questions.

There are several videos upthread of this. He was not fleeing. He took a three block running start at the crowd. He had many areas to turn off or turn around safely before he got anywhere near them. From the videos, it was obviously intentional.

He has also been identified as a radical neo-nazi member of Vanguard America which is a pretty violent arm of The Nationalist Front, one of the worst WN groups. This is him on the left.

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There are several videos upthread of this. He was not fleeing. He took a three block running start at the crowd. He had many areas to turn off or turn around safely before he got anywhere near them. From the videos, it was obviously intentional.

He has also been identified as a radical neo-nazi member of Vanguard America which is a pretty violent arm of The Nationalist Front, one of the worst WN groups. This is him on the left.


Like I said, it will all come out in the trial.

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« Last Edit: August 13, 2017, 02:58:27 PM by edpc »
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People, maybe on the extremes, did blame Obama for police officers killed during his administration. I really remember Obama condemning this... not... maybe he said something somewhere.
Now, let me get this straight, the master negotiator was out maneuvered by Turkey? Turkey?

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One of my banjos looks pretty much like that.
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Hey!
One of my banjos looks pretty much like that.
Don't give us banjo players a bad name!
That creep never learned to play!



Nope - he just sang....
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There are several videos upthread of this. He was not fleeing. He took a three block running start at the crowd. He had many areas to turn off or turn around safely before he got anywhere near them. From the videos, it was obviously intentional.

He has also been identified as a radical neo-nazi member of Vanguard America which is a pretty violent arm of The Nationalist Front, one of the worst WN groups. This is him on the left.


Unfortunately, that photo is photoshopped. Look at how the temple of the eye glasses immediately behind his right ear seems to be in front of his ear. There's no borderline. It's photoshopped.


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Unfortunately, that photo is photoshopped. Look at how the temple of the eye glasses immediately behind his right ear seems to be in front of his ear. There's no borderline. It's photoshopped.

No, it's not.  What you're pointing out is the tapering of the rim's upper corner.  Besides, the group released a statement saying they gave him a shield, but he wasn't really part of their organization.
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Actually, I thought the 'opt out' clause had been settled long before the events of 1860.
to wit: 

Except the Confederacy didn't believe in this part....

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
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Except the Confederacy didn't believe in this part....

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Written by a man who owned slaves.
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No, it's not.  What you're pointing out is the tapering of the rim's upper corner.  Besides, the group released a statement saying they gave him a shield, but he wasn't really part of their organization.

Don't know if you're being sarcastic or not, but that photo is clearly Photoshopped.

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Except the Confederacy didn't believe in this part....

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Really? Is that why the Yankees kept their slaves long after the Revolution, too? Nice try. :thud: :silly:
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Thank goodness all this debate over slavery will have some effect on history itself! Woo hoo.
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Another Democrat scumbag with blood on his hands because he did nothing to quell the violence.  Nothing.

Scumbag, he is.


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Really? Is that why the Yankees kept their slaves long after the Revolution, too? Nice try. :thud: :silly:

Where? NY? No, Ohio? No. Nice try.  A few border states? Kentucky, Missouri, Maryland, not really yankee states.



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Some of these states outlawed slavery long before the Civil War because they were aware of problems like slave rebellions and so on.

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« Last Edit: August 13, 2017, 03:54:33 PM by TomSea »
Now, let me get this straight, the master negotiator was out maneuvered by Turkey? Turkey?

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Don't know if you're being sarcastic or not, but that photo is clearly Photoshopped.

No, the one in the post below it is clearly photoshopped.   Vanguard already acknowledged his presence among them and denied he was a member.  You are entertaining moon battery.
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