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Would you abridge both their free speech rights?

Freedom of speech comes with a great amount of responsibility...of which not using your words to incite violence or death is paramount.
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The progressive left and their allies the NeverTrumpers have been pushing for a war, maybe they will get what they want, WAR

Are you lumping Trump's critics on TBR with the leftists AGAIN?  That's getting pretty old.

I think what jp is saying, and I happen to agree, is that NT as a movement (which has its origins in the political right) is a destructive force to positive change. It's standing in the way of stopping the left's relentless march forward. It gives them aid and comfort.

As an example of what the progressives are trying to stop, Pres. Trump reversed 860 burdensome business regulations which is just one part of his conservative, constitutional agenda. His goal is to bring federal regulatory excesses to a screeching halt. The left would like nothing more than to stop this president's agenda by fomenting unrest against him by any means necessary. NeverTrump gives them cover to make the claim that the country as a whole hates Trump, both the left and the right.

So, those of us who see Trump's agenda as an opportunity to tame the federal Leviathan sometimes have trouble distinguishing between the aims of leftists and those of NeverTrumpers.

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Tough policing would prevent things from getting out of hand.


I've been to Charlottesville.  Nice town, but uber-liberal.  I don't think they believe in tough policing.

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I think what jp is saying, and I happen to agree, is that NT as a movement (which has its origins in the political right) is a destructive force to positive change. It's standing in the way of stopping the left's relentless march forward. It gives them aid and comfort.

That's not what he said but nice try at spinning it.

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As an example of what the progressives are trying to stop, Pres. Trump reversed 860 burdensome business regulations which is just one part of his conservative, constitutional agenda. His goal is to bring federal regulatory excesses to a screeching halt. The left would like nothing more than to stop this president's agenda by fomenting unrest against him by any means necessary. NeverTrump gives them cover to make the claim that the country as a whole hates Trump, both the left and the right.

You and others here use that term "never trump" as a cover to smear and lump together anyone who has even emoted the faintest of criticism of Donald Trump.  It's a tired and hackneyed lie. 

I've never seen a bigger group of unhappy winners in my entire life.

People by and large don't care if some 860 business regulations that will never affect them in their lives have been reversed...that's minutiae that only policy wonks care about.

They want to know when their taxes are going to be lowered.  They want to know when the flood of illegals is going to stop and they want to know when they will be able to afford healthcare again and not have to go without to pay for their out of control monthly Obamacare bill.

That is what they want to see...those  big campaign boasts that were shoved in their face nightly for 15 months...the things they were told would happen starting day one of a Trump Presidency.

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So, those of us who see Trump's agenda as an opportunity to tame the federal Leviathan sometimes have trouble distinguishing between the aims of leftists and those of NeverTrumpers.

Some of us are waiting for him to actually do something tangible along the lines of what he promised in his campaign...not late night twitter rants and empty threats of military action against places like Venezuela and North Korea that play into the leftist meme about nation building and war mongering.

And those same people aren't as stupid as you make them out to be with your convoluted fan dance attempt to explain away a TBR member here lumping fellow members in with hard left extremists at todays rally and blame them for the shameful events that occurred as a result.

Quit insulting their intelligence.
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Freedom of speech comes with a great amount of responsibility...of which not using your words to incite violence or death is paramount.

But avoiding hurting someone's feelings is not part of that responsibility. And as far as inciting violence, there were plenty of cameras there.  I would welcome charges for all such incitements, as well as charges for disrupting a permitted assembly.

I have not heard of a permit for anyone to march in the street.

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But avoiding hurting someone's feelings is not part of that responsibility.

There is a difference between saying something that hurts someone's feelings and saying something that incites a riot or panic that results in injury.

You can't yell fire in a theater or talk about the bomb in your bag on an airplane.

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And as far as inciting violence, there were plenty of cameras there.  I would welcome charges for all such incitements, as well as charges for disrupting a permitted assembly.

As I said earlier this whole thing could have been avoided if the SJW's weren't trying to mimic the USSR and erase people and names from History that they don't like.

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I have not heard of a permit for anyone to march in the street.

Which is the reason the police were sent in.  The original marchers didn't have a permit.

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The libs/dems of today are the Quislings of former years. The cowards who would vote a fraud into office in exchange for handouts from the devil.

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But avoiding hurting someone's feelings is not part of that responsibility. And as far as inciting violence, there were plenty of cameras there.  I would welcome charges for all such incitements, as well as charges for disrupting a permitted assembly.

I have not heard of a permit for anyone to march in the street.

Where was Governor McAuliffe?   If he were a Republican, the press would be all over him.

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Where was Governor McAuliffe?   If he were a Republican, the press would be all over him.

He has already given a presser...told them all to get out of his state..lol
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But avoiding hurting someone's feelings is not part of that responsibility. And as far as inciting violence, there were plenty of cameras there.  I would welcome charges for all such incitements, as well as charges for disrupting a permitted assembly.

I have not heard of a permit for anyone to march in the street.

I was thinking the same thing. Maximum penalty for inciting a riot. Especially since it involves deaths.

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He has already given a presser...told them all to get out of his state..lol

Does he realize that "his state" consists of more than just Northern Virginia and the Beltway? LOL!
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I disagree.  Circle gets the square.

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He has already given a presser...told them all to get out of his state..lol

Dude was born and raised in Syracuse, NY
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White nationalists, neo-Nazis and members of the 'alt-right' with body armor and combat weapons evacuate comrades who were pepper sprayed after the 'Unite the Right' rally was delcared a unlawful gathering by Virginia State Police

Actually amazing things weren't worse with tensions high and armed elements present.
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Interesting. Puts some things in perspective.

I would like to see what made the permitted protestors decide to take to the street.

If they spin this as being all the fault of "white supremacists" I'll be for calling BS on that. But I don't know that I care enough to research it. I don't know that I have a "skin" in the game other than to lay a huge part of the divide in this country on obama.

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I think what jp is saying, and I happen to agree, is that NT as a movement (which has its origins in the political right) is a destructive force to positive change. It's standing in the way of stopping the left's relentless march forward. It gives them aid and comfort.

I have heard this repeated often by you Trump Militants, usually followed with the word 'Treason" and then I get reminded what the 'penalty for treason' is.  A nice subtle threat that because I do not seig-heil your leader, I am guilty of treason and deserving of death for it.

Fine.

If you and your fellow Trump Loyalists want to try and make good on such a threat, I'll be waiting.

So, those of us who see Trump's agenda as an opportunity to tame the federal Leviathan sometimes have trouble distinguishing between the aims of leftists and those of NeverTrumpers.

Funny.  We can say the same thing about AlwaysTrump.
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If you look at the media pics of the protest, there sure seemed to be a significant amount of BLM signs. 

My point is, that I bet there were some non-affiliated folks there, but counter-protests of this nature doesn't just pop up out of the blue.  Someone has to be organizing, and my bets are on the BLM pukes.

Sure looked like the Antifa people were there and loaded for bear.
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I would like to see what made the permitted protestors decide to take to the street.

If they spin this as being all the fault of "white supremacists" I'll be for calling BS on that. But I don't know that I care enough to research it. I don't know that I have a "skin" in the game other than to lay a huge part of the divide in this country on obama.

In reference to this post.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,276030.msg1417615.html#msg1417615

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No matter the topic of discussion,  it always seems to deteriorate into Trumpfest: AT vs. NT in a knockdown,  drag out fight about not much at all.
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I disagree.  Circle gets the square.

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They weren't the only ones. See 164.

Yes, absolutely.  But the people in 164 had a permit.  Looks like the police did little to keep the peace either.
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This president, as candidate, refused to disavow support from David Duke  He insisted he had no idea who David Duke was.

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No matter the topic of discussion,  it always seems to deteriorate into Trumpfest: AT vs. NT in a knockdown,  drag out fight about not much at all.

It's tiring especially the name calling.
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