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Charlottesville rally organizer chased from press conference by protesters

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/08/13/charlottesville-rally-organizer-chased-from-press-conference-by-protesters.html

White nationalist blogger Jason Kessler, who organized Saturday’s “Unite the Right” in Charlottesville, Va., was suddenly chased out of a press conference he was holding Sunday afternoon.

Footage on social media showed Kessler being escorted by law enforcement away from the area, with protesters shouting the name of Heather Heyer, the woman who was killed after a car plowed into a crowd of people at yesterday’s rally.

Kessler was chased away from the press conference by protesters. As he exited the area, there were audible chants of “shame” coming from the crowd.

WARNING: VIDEO CONTAINS GRAPHIC LANGUAGE
 


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No, the one in the post below it is clearly photoshopped.   Vanguard already acknowledged his presence among them and denied he was a member.  You are entertaining moon battery.

Sorry, but the physical world doesn't work that way. I see the temple projecting practically in to his ear. Zoom in, anyone can see it.

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Really? Is that why the Yankees kept their slaves long after the Revolution, too? Nice try. :thud: :silly:

Yeah and almost 100 years after the revolution began, confederate leaders justified the institution through racial superiority after it had been abolished elsewhere in western civilization.
I disagree.  Circle gets the square.

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Charlottesville Mayor Blames Trump for Violence: ‘Look at the Campaign He Ran’

‘I mean, this is not hard’

Aug 13, 2017


The Democratic mayor of Charlottesville, Va., Michael Signer, is pinning blame directly on President Trump for the white nationalist protest and related violence that occurred in his city this weekend.

The blame for these events, he said, falls "right at the doorstep of the White House and the people around the president."

On Sunday he appeared on CNN's State of the Union and accused Trump of intentionally courting white nationalists. Here's a transcript:

TAPPER: You said you place blame for these terrifying events -- quote -- "right at the doorstep of the White House and the people around the president" -- unquote.

That is a -- that is a very strong charge to level. Why do you think the president himself bears responsibility?

SIGNER: Well, look at the campaign he ran. I mean, look at the intentional courting, both on the one hand of all these white supremacists, white nationalists, a group like that, anti-Semitic groups, and then look on the other hand the repeated failure to step up, condemn, denounce, silence, you know, put to bed all those different efforts, just like we saw yesterday.

I mean, this is not hard. There's -- you know, there's two words that need to be said over and over again, domestic terrorism and white supremacy. That is exactly what we saw on display this weekend.

And we just aren't seeing leadership from the White House. We certainly are going to see leadership from cities like Charlottesville, from mayors, from leaders all around the country left and right.

Republicans and Democrats, if there is an issue that can unite this country, that this can be a turning point for this democracy, I think it just happened right now this weekend in Charlottesville.

You know, I -- to be honest, it doesn't matter much to me whether -- he's already on the sidelines, I think, of so many issues. But the country is going to move ahead. This will be a turning point for the country to overcome this stuff, just like we have overcome these challenges in our past. And I think it's happening right now, as we speak.

https://news.grabien.com/story-charlottesville-mayor-blames-trump-look-campaign-he-ran-and



Another Democrat scumbag with blood on his hands because he did nothing to quell the violence.  Nothing.
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The unpermitted group was allowed to assault and displace the group who had a lawful assembly permit. Police did not stop that. Were any of the 'counter-protestors' arrested for throwing urine and chemical agents onto those who had a permit to assemble? For assault?

Yet the mayor, (as those who would ignore what happened to Virginia during the War might opine) blames those invaded, not the invaders, blames the attacked, not the attackers, even though the former had complied with the law.
No wonder he wants the statues torn down, they are a reminder of his personal perfidy.
 
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I'm OK with the sentiment, but not really thrilled it's from an Anarchist.   :shrug:
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Yeah and almost 100 years after the revolution began, confederate leaders justified the institution through racial superiority after it had been abolished elsewhere in western civilization.
Some fellow came out with a book about that stuff....It's still taught in less contentious form, but was the philosophy to justify all sorts of things we might consider grievous. Darwin! that's the guy!

Oh, let's not ignore the profit motive for the ship owners running the golden triangle, either, nor how unpopular slavery suddenly became near their home ports when they couldn't profit off that cargo.
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No, it's not.  What you're pointing out is the tapering of the rim's upper corner.  Besides, the group released a statement saying they gave him a shield, but he wasn't really part of their organization.

I agree; no photoshopping.  But, hey, you give the guy a shield and a shirt and he's yours for that point in time anyway.  Hard to argue "he was with us, but not one of us".

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Yeah, what does it say on his/her shirt about "transgender"?  *****rollingeyes*****

Under his Pink bandana in white letters.  Can't make it out either?
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Whatever happened to "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

Liberals never have been big on Voltaire.
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Under his Pink bandana in white letters.  Can't make it out either?
Top line says "Transgender Veteran". Can't make out the rest.
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I'm OK with the sentiment, but not really thrilled it's from an Anarchist.   :shrug:

No way should the police allow either side to come into contact with each other.   

This is no different than burning and destroying the Berkeley campus to 'protest' Ann Coulter's sanctioned/scheduled speech.

BLM is a terrorist group.  They don't represent all blacks.

These skinheads and anarchists don't represent us.
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Unfortunately, that photo is photoshopped. Look at how the temple of the eye glasses immediately behind his right ear seems to be in front of his ear. There's no borderline. It's photoshopped.


But it seems that he was there:



Note that this picture was taken with a bright flash.

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No, it's not.  What you're pointing out is the tapering of the rim's upper corner.  Besides, the group released a statement saying they gave him a shield, but he wasn't really part of their organization.

Thanks, you beat me to it. It also came from a media twitter account posted long before the incident.  There were several there you can see him in it.
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No way should the police allow either side to come into contact with each other.   

This is no different than burning and destroying the Berkeley campus to 'protest' Ann Coulter's sanctioned/scheduled speech.

BLM is a terrorist group.  They don't represent all blacks.

These skinheads and anarchists don't represent us.

100% correct on all four counts.
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Sorry, but the physical world doesn't work that way. I see the temple projecting practically in to his ear. Zoom in, anyone can see it.

If you can't look at the clear left side, see how the frame tapers into the earpiece, then compare that to the right side, and tell it's not altered, you're engaging in willful denial.

Compare it to this one, where it's part of a sequence of photos, taken by the NY Daily News.  Same group of people together, but looking in different directions than the previous. I suppose it's Photoshopped as well?


I disagree.  Circle gets the square.

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If you can't look at the clear left side, see how the frame tapers into the earpiece, then compare that to the right side, and tell it's not altered, you're engaging in willful denial.

Compare it to this one, where it's part of a sequence of photos, taken by the NY Daily News.  Same group of people together, but looking in different directions than the previous. I suppose it's Photoshopped as well?
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Ed, any idea what the symbol on the shields means?

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Weird.
Not when you consider the Marxists play identity politics where 'victimhood' is the only price of admission. They don't mind putting together a coalition of 'victims' to go out and 'fight the man' because they see anyone who isn't a victim as either an ally or an enemy.

To me the weird part is why some ugly guy would want to identify as an ugly woman. Queen of the howler monkeys or something...
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Ed, any idea what the symbol on the shields means?

I thought they were crossed rolling pins.   I think they make pies in their spare time.

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Ed, any idea what the symbol on the shields means?


That's the symbol of Vanguard America which is a violent arm of The Nationalist Front, a very overt neo-nazi group. What looks like 'rolling pins' are Fasces which is an old Roman symbol for power and authority.
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