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Update



Two killed in crash of helicopter near Charlottesville


The Virginia State Police has confirmed that at least two people were killed in the crash of a helicopter shortly before 5 p.m. on Saturday outside Charlottesville. Initial reports said the aircraft was a state police helicopter but that has not been confirmed yet.

The helicopter crashed into a wooded area near a residence on Old Farm Road.

No one on the ground was injured. The cause of the crash remains under investigation at this time. State police were on the scene shortly after the crash, along with Albemarle County police and fire units.

Witnesses say the helicopter hovered low over houses near the Birdwood Golf Course in Charlottesville before going into nearby woods.

http://www.dailyprogress.com/newsvirginian/news/state/state-police-helicopter-crashes-near-charlottesville-golf-course/article_0522c15c-7fa7-11e7-97c3-3b4c4f31fc5a.html
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I disagree.  Circle gets the square.

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To the west of Charlottesville, you will find Robert E. Lee High School in Staunton, Turner Ashby High School in Bridgewater, and Wilson Memorial High School in Fishersville.

Two are named after Confederate officers.  The other is named after the US President who federalized segregation.

Which of those will be forced to change their names?
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I read in one place, the Daily Mail, someone threw a rock at a car window, the driver maybe went after them. That's sad if that happened.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4783914/White-nationalists-hold-torch-lit-march-UVA-campus.html

Nope.  I just saw a video of the car backing away from the scene of the crime and the tinted window was intact.
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To the west of Charlottesville, you will find Robert E. Lee High School in Staunton, Turner Ashby High School in Bridgewater, and Wilson Memorial High School in Fishersville.

Two are named after Confederate officers.  The other is named after the US President who federalized segregation.

Which of those will be forced to change their names?


The Robert E Lee one.. Never mind that Wilson set back race relations (like Obama) in this country.
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The Robert E Lee one.. Never mind that Wilson set back race relations (like Obama) in this country.

Frankly I'd just like to see a return to Coolidge conservatism and call it good.

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Seems we have people here embracing a moral equivalence between the white supremacists and the protesters.

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Is this guy the same as this guy?

No, this is the guy they arrested. He even has a picture of the car on his facebook page.
https://www.facebook.com/joel.notavailable

They say the car was registered in his dad's name.


Strike all that, didn't see the post above that the Joel kid just sold the car and Fields was the new owner.
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No, this is the guy they arrested. He even has a picture of the car on his facebook page.
https://www.facebook.com/joel.notavailable

They say the car was registered in his dad's name.


Strike all that, didn't see the post above that the Joel kid just sold the car and Fields was the new owner.

Yes.  Joel has an air-tight alibi.  He is at a wedding in Michigan.
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Yes.  Joel has an air-tight alibi.  He is at a wedding in Michigan.

Plus he just posted on his FB w/ in the past hour.


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Seems we have people here embracing a moral equivalence between the white supremacists and the protesters.

Actually, from what's been seen at the TOS, the statements of those who actively campaigned for Trump in the elections, and from some of the posters here...

... there looks to be more support for the white supremacists than the protestors.

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https://everipedia.org/wiki/james-alex-fields-jr/

Look at the timestamps on whatever this is.


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Tech reporter for The Hill​ Taylor Lorenz tweeted that police officers think that the person that ran people down was not malicious in intent and that the driver was scared. His car was being swarmed and some of them turned violent.

Source: https://everipedia.org/wiki/james-alex-fields-jr/#ixzz4paNJtAHf

I call BS on that. The video shows he took a three block running start at the people with plenty of places to turn off or around. This may be what his lawyer is advising him to say, but that was obviously intentional.

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It's a day's drive.

Well aware of it. I have made that drive on Route 23 and I-64 from Columbus to Norfolk.  He covered a similar distance from Maumee to Charlottesville. It's about 12 hours, with stops for tolls, food, fuel, breaks, etc.   That's going well out of your way for an event like that, IMO.
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I'm not being critical but the Ohio/Indiana/Illinois area is eat up with neo-Nazis. Just sayin'.
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