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Yes they are.  Plenty of working the mouths without spending any actual time on the field of play.  Music critics are the same way.  Sports critics are not so bad, there are a lot of good ones who've spent a whole career out in the field before becoming critics.

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As Judd Apatow said regarding the criticisms of his Ghostbusters snoozefest, those complaining are just a bunch of Trump supporters.

Oh, and of course, since the foulest scripts (or what pass for scripts) are found in black entertainment, obviously the critics are racists.
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Every guy I know swore like a muleskinner when not in pleasant company (women and children)... And that sort of language and every sort of debauchery was always available on the other side of the tracks. It really is too bad that it didn't remain there.
That too... and my use of the f-bomb is not a rarity -- but using it in the so-called arts is basically gratuitous.
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It is the constant onslaught I can't stand... It is weird to me these people need their safe places but in the same breath extol violence, immorality, abortion, etc. I don't want anything to do with them or that.
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One actor who recently surprised me was John Lithgow as Winston Churchill in the Netflix series, The Crown. The Crown is populated with British actors -- most I never heard of, but all very good.  When the character of Winston Churchill appeared for the first time, I thought, "I don't know this actor, but he almost looks like John Lithgow."  Well, he didn't almost look like him; it was him.  Lithgow's performance went beyond the jowls, the gruff voice, demeanor and mannerisms.  Lithgow WAS Churchill.  I was so accustomed to seeing Lithgow in comedies and lighter fare.  His performance in The Crown was a pleasant surprise.
I'm not a Lithgow fan, but his ability to do that is eerie.
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It seems clear that everyday conversation in America has become coarser in recent years, but it doesn’t mean that the typical Hollywood film laced with language your grandmother would have punished with soap reflects reality or even makes good economic sense, contends a prominent film critic.

In fact, a new Harris poll shows that filmmakers who use the f-word and take the name of Jesus Christ in vain risk losing some of their audience.


You have sex with your wife,too. That doesn't mean you want to do it in front of your parents or children. What may be perfectly acceptable to you and your peers in casual conversations might not be so suitable in front of your children,and adults that go to movies tend to take their children with them,or to go to movies to escort their children who want to see the movie.

 Just because something is appropriate when with your buds or your wife/husband,doesn't mean it's appropriate anywhere at any time.
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First off, I'm not a religious person. The wife and I recently finished watching "Dexter" which we enjoyed overall.  But one of the most irritating things I've ever had to sit through was listening to the constant use of the f word.


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I TRIED to get into Dexter,and just couldn't handle it,but for a different reason. Seemed to me to be primarily a "chick flick" series with the "sympathetic sensitive metrosexual serial killer who is really a sweetie at heart and all the girls lust after him". I saw it as being geared for the 20 to 30 something female that sees herself as a "Bad bitch at heart looking for a bad boy to take control of her." As they used to say,"Gag me with a freaking spoon!"

I see "sympathetic,sensitive serial killer",and I'm outta here and looking for something more realistic,like a Disney movie.
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For one thing, they have Churchill opposing the D-Day landings when in reality he was a huge proponent of it.  If they can't get simple facts right, I don't want to watch it.
*Thread Hijack*  The hell he didn't -- the entire British strategy was geared to getting us to commit to Europe-first (instead of Japan), but then NOT go to France, instead, fighting around in marginal areas like North Africa, then Sicily, then Italy, and when the thirteen airfields in southern Italy were in allied control, which allowed long range bombers to hit oil fields and such, the British *still* wanted to fight through the rest of Italy for no reason they could justify any longer.

British "historian" Richard Wilkinson -- who accuses anyone who disagreed with British wartime strategy of being an Anglophobe -- rationalizes every bit of it in his Masters and Commanders: How Roosevelt, Churchill, Marshall and Alanbrooke Won the War in the West.  It's still worth reading, despite his bias, which caused a number of episodes where I wanted to retch, or just throw the thing from where I was reading (often the tub) to the nearest trash can.

Churchill likewise prolonged the struggle for North Africa by intervening against the German invasion of Greece, knowing it was hopeless, but looking beyond the supposedly inevitable eventual defeat of Germany and postwar divisions.  Postwar divisions were also under consideration with Churchill's Percentages agreement proposed to Stalin.  In US circles (according to the late Paul Varg) it was analogized as trying to keep a woman half pregnant.

The developments that really threw the British approach into the dumper, though, was Stalin's constant insistence that a second front needed to be opened, and needed to be opened in western Europe; and the unexpected scope of the US' ability to build everything needed for the war in general and for the invasion in particular.  So many landing craft were ready that the old "first let's use 'em in the soft underbelly, oops, now there aren't enough for Normandy" stopped working.
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Frankly the whole American film industry is sub par and much of that is because the "talent" itself is sub par. The great modern actors are all British.

Yup,but it has to be said that the writing and directing those BBC actors get also has a major role to play.

Plus,for the most part,British actors and actresses don't seem to be popular in England because they are sexy,but because they are great actors.

I wrote this recently on another thread,but if you want to see arguably the best tv series ever aired,start watching "MI-5" that was put out by BBC. Yeah,SOME of the actors and actresses were sexy,but some were borderline repulsive,and most just looked like average people. Also,you can't count on the beautiful or handsome not being killed off at any time without warning,just like in real life. Seems like all the hiring emphasis is placed on hiring the best actors and actresses they can find to fill each specific role. The flip side of that is the really good actors and actresses in GB KNOW they are really good actors and actresses,and know this means they will only be offered interesting and challenging roles,so they generally don't dive into crap just to emerge with a paycheck. They stay so busy all the time doing quality work they don't  have to take on crap roles.


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As far as I can tell most American actors are incapable of the range commonly displayed by British actors.

Most have never had to because all they are ever offered is mindless crap.


 
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If you take British actor Gary Oldman into any role he will make it his own and excel from Zorg  in the 5th element to Winston Churchill in his most recent film.

If you give Oldman a role,everybody else becomes furniture. Ironically enough,seems like he almost never gets the lead,he just takes it from the designated lead actor.



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Never was much for em either... Though I did burn a few bucks and signed up for Netflix... I dont think I will renew it... I haven't used it enough to justify the expense. I tend toward youtube, and watch channels there that suit my fancy. Real people doing real things, and without the Ken and Barbie hollywood thing.

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Huh? There are more good movies and tv shows on Netflix than anywhere on the planet. I get Netflix through my ROKU,and there is an insane amount of first-class series on there. Ever watch "The Vikings"? That's on Netflix.  So are The Last Kingdom,House of Cards,Better Call Saul,Breaking Bad,Peaky Blinders,The Crown, Broadchurch,Blacklist,Shameless (maybe the funniest and most outrageous comedy ever aired),The Following,Wallander,Malcolm in the Middle (GREAT for kids,too),Rake (hilarious Australian comedy),The Walking Dead,Foyle's War,and those are just the ones from my personal saved list that I have watched in the past until they ended,or am watching now.

BTW,if you have never seen Breaking Bad,give it a shot. I watched every single episode,and I don't think a single one of them ended without me saying "DAYUM! I didn't see THAT one coming!"

And that's not counting the movies. I watched Ice Age and Minions on Netflix. The sabre-toothed squirrel and the minions crack me up without fail.


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I wouldn't go back to that for nothing. Last movie I actually went to was Avatar,


Same here,and the only reason I went to the theater to see it was because I don't have 3D at home. I prefer to watch movies and tv at home because I can't pause the movie in a theater while I go to the bathroom or to get a cup of coffee. It's there when *I* want it,*I* don't have to be there when it happens to be playing.

I won't be attending the sequel unless I can get there early this time,though. Got there just as the movie was starting for Avatar,and had to sit up front. NEVER sit up front at a movie with good 3D. The damn monsters walking past me to get on the screen freaked me out.

Some non-3D movies really need to be seen on a big screen in the dark,though. "Alien",for example. Scared the hell out of me,and I just don't think that would have happened in the comfortable surroundings of home. Not even on my 58 inch plasma tv.


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Yeah, I dumped Netfix, too.  They simply didn't carry the older stuff I liked.  I have Amazon, but really it's just an adjunct to my Prime account, which more than pays for itself with all the free shipping I get.  Plus, I kick a bit over to MikeRoweWorks with my Amazon Smile donations.  I like what he does to get kids into good, solid Vocational training.

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Get a ROKU and a HD antenna,and dump your sat dish setup. I get 43 broadcast channels from my HD antenna,and it seems like at least 20 percent of them are 50's and 60's tv shows or movies. Some channels play nothing but westerns. I just got through watching the prequel to "Lonesome Dove" again last week,and pulled it in for free from my tv antenna. Mine is a RCA that I bought from Amazon for 43 bucks with prime shipping. It works so good I bought another one for my workshop.

I get 43 channels from the antenna,and a couple of thousand from the ROKU. If you can't find it being aired with a ROKU,it doesn't exist. There are channels dedicated to Autism,channels dedicated to nothing but love movies,war movies,comedies,sitcoms,sci-fi,horror,and anything else you can think of. I even found three channels dedicated to hockey games all over the world for a friend that is a hockey freak.

Best of all,almost all of them are free. No monthly fees and no fees to watch. So you have to sometimes watch an advertisement? So what?
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@Cripplecreek

One actor who recently surprised me was John Lithgow as Winston Churchill in the Netflix series, The Crown. The Crown is populated with British actors -- most I never heard of, but all very good.  When the character of Winston Churchill appeared for the first time, I thought, "I don't know this actor, but he almost looks like John Lithgow."  Well, he didn't almost look like him; it was him.  Lithgow's performance went beyond the jowls, the gruff voice, demeanor and mannerisms.  Lithgow WAS Churchill.  I was so accustomed to seeing Lithgow in comedies and lighter fare.  His performance in The Crown was a pleasant surprise.

@Applewood  @Cripplecreek

I have noticed in the past that the actors that can do well with comedies are the best actors. Someone mentioned Robin Williams earlier,and he is a prime example. Comedians have more range or they aren't very successful.

BTW,The Crown can be viewed on Netflix  at any hour of the day or week that is convenient for you.
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Guess that explains why Glengarry, Glenn Ross wasn't a blockbuster.

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*Thread Hijack*  The hell he didn't -- the entire British strategy was geared to getting us to commit to Europe-first (instead of Japan), but then NOT go to France, instead, fighting around in marginal areas like North Africa, then Sicily, then Italy, and when the thirteen airfields in southern Italy were in allied control, which allowed long range bombers to hit oil fields and such, the British *still* wanted to fight through the rest of Italy for no reason they could justify any longer.

British "historian" Richard Wilkinson -- who accuses anyone who disagreed with British wartime strategy of being an Anglophobe -- rationalizes every bit of it in his Masters and Commanders: How Roosevelt, Churchill, Marshall and Alanbrooke Won the War in the West.  It's still worth reading, despite his bias, which caused a number of episodes where I wanted to retch, or just throw the thing from where I was reading (often the tub) to the nearest trash can.

Churchill likewise prolonged the struggle for North Africa by intervening against the German invasion of Greece, knowing it was hopeless, but looking beyond the supposedly inevitable eventual defeat of Germany and postwar divisions.  Postwar divisions were also under consideration with Churchill's Percentages agreement proposed to Stalin.  In US circles (according to the late Paul Varg) it was analogized as trying to keep a woman half pregnant.

The developments that really threw the British approach into the dumper, though, was Stalin's constant insistence that a second front needed to be opened, and needed to be opened in western Europe; and the unexpected scope of the US' ability to build everything needed for the war in general and for the invasion in particular.  So many landing craft were ready that the old "first let's use 'em in the soft underbelly, oops, now there aren't enough for Normandy" stopped working.

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Get a ROKU and a HD antenna,and dump your sat dish setup. I get 43 broadcast channels from my HD antenna,and it seems like at least 20 percent of them are 50's and 60's tv shows or movies. Some channels play nothing but westerns. I just got through watching the prequel to "Lonesome Dove" again last week,and pulled it in for free from my tv antenna. Mine is a RCA that I bought from Amazon for 43 bucks with prime shipping. It works so good I bought another one for my workshop.

I get 43 channels from the antenna,and a couple of thousand from the ROKU. If you can't find it being aired with a ROKU,it doesn't exist. There are channels dedicated to Autism,channels dedicated to nothing but love movies,war movies,comedies,sitcoms,sci-fi,horror,and anything else you can think of. I even found three channels dedicated to hockey games all over the world for a friend that is a hockey freak.

Best of all,almost all of them are free. No monthly fees and no fees to watch. So you have to sometimes watch an advertisement? So what?

I've been thinking about ROKU pretty hard, to be honest.  I'd like to see the Phoenix market fill out their available channels first, they've been slow in doing so.  It is happening, I see a couple new ones every few months.
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Huh? There are more good movies and tv shows on Netflix than anywhere on the planet. I get Netflix through my ROKU,and there is an insane amount of first-class series on there. Ever watch "The Vikings"? That's on Netflix.  So are The Last Kingdom,House of Cards,Better Call Saul,Breaking Bad,Peaky Blinders,The Crown, Broadchurch,Blacklist,Shameless (maybe the funniest and most outrageous comedy ever aired),The Following,Wallander,Malcolm in the Middle (GREAT for kids,too),Rake (hilarious Australian comedy),The Walking Dead,Foyle's War,and those are just the ones from my personal saved list that I have watched in the past until they ended,or am watching now.

BLEAH.

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BTW,if you have never seen Breaking Bad,give it a shot. I watched every single episode,and I don't think a single one of them ended without me saying "DAYUM! I didn't see THAT one coming!"

Sooper bleah!

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I've been thinking about ROKU pretty hard, to be honest.  I'd like to see the Phoenix market fill out their available channels first, they've been slow in doing so.  It is happening, I see a couple new ones every few months.

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A ROKU doesn't care if there are NO tv stations in your market area. It's all streaming video. You can watch anything that airs at 4 AM if you want.

I also have a Channel Master tuner plugged in between my antenna and my tv. It takes the place of the DVR the sat dish companies give you and has TIVO. It also has a 1TB interior storage ability,and a plug in the back to plug in a portable HD.

You never need to record anything from the ROKU because it streams and is always available anytime you want it.

If you buy a ROKU,don't screw up and get the stick. Get one or the other of the top two models and be done with it. You can buy either from amazon for less than 100 bucks,and there are no monthly fees.

One of the things I like about my ROKU the most is every channel I access from the ROKU that is a "pay to view" channel is paid through my ROKU account. Even Direct TV. I dropped the Direct TV sat dish and am now getting MORE Direct TV channels now (100+) than I was getting before,for $42.xx per month. Same with HBO,Showtime,and the movie channels. If I want to buy a movie from a movie channel,for example,I can pay for it through ROKU. Makes it a hell of a lot easier to control the channels I am subscribing to and the payments I make,plus there is no scrambling to find or remember passwords.

Once again,I have a ROKU out in my workshop for the tv out there,too.
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BLEAH.

Sooper bleah!

meh.

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Ok,you just can't be pleased. If that makes you happy,I'm happy for you.
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A ROKU doesn't care if there are NO tv stations in your market area. It's all streaming video. You can watch anything that airs at 4 AM if you want.

I also have a Channel Master tuner plugged in between my antenna and my tv. It takes the place of the DVR the sat dish companies give you and has TIVO. It also has a 1TB interior storage ability,and a plug in the back to plug in a portable HD.

You never need to record anything from the ROKU because it streams and is always available anytime you want it.

If you buy a ROKU,don't screw up and get the stick. Get one or the other of the top two models and be done with it. You can buy either from amazon for less than 100 bucks,and there are no monthly fees.

One of the things I like about my ROKU the most is every channel I access from the ROKU that is a "pay to view" channel is paid through my ROKU account. Even Direct TV. I dropped the Direct TV sat dish and am now getting MORE Direct TV channels now (100+) than I was getting before,for $42.xx per month. Same with HBO,Showtime,and the movie channels. If I want to buy a movie from a movie channel,for example,I can pay for it through ROKU. Makes it a hell of a lot easier to control the channels I am subscribing to and the payments I make,plus there is no scrambling to find or remember passwords.

Once again,I have a ROKU out in my workshop for the tv out there,too.

I understand what you are saying about the locals.  Also, it's good to hear about the stick sucking.  That's the kind of input I've been looking for for.

BTW, I have never had a dish, I'm looking to replace the cable....not that there's any difference.  Mrs. Liberty finds the "On Demand" aspect of many ROKU channels appealing.  We also want to keep the Fox Business going.
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Ok,you just can't be pleased. If that makes you happy,I'm happy for you.

I really do find it all to be quite shallow. An utter waste of brain space. The only production I am looking forward to is this last season of Longmire.

As to the rest, I am being far more entertained watching Youtube... Cowboyin', 4x4, hunting and guns, bushcraft and homesteading... Real people. Real things.

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Michael Medved who reviews movies himself, did a show on this very subject.The movies with the least in box office revenue were rated R movies. The movies that pulled in the most were family movies, G and PG. The numbers are undisutable. Family films fill theaters, and do great when released on home viewing media.
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Michael Medved who reviews movies himself, did a show on this very subject.The movies with the least in box office revenue were rated R movies. The movies that pulled in the most were family movies, G and PG. The numbers are undisutable. Family films fill theaters, and do great when released on home viewing media.

My family does 'movie night' every Saturday evening. It is remarkably hard to find movies suitable for three generations.

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I have seen movies that were gratuitous with the language, and didn't care for them because I see it as a cheap substitute for good writing. 
Agreed. When all else fails, cuss.

Our major objection to Patriots' Day with Mark Wahlberg was all the unnecessary cussing. It added absolutely nothing to the story nor to character development.
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I understand what you are saying about the locals.  Also, it's good to hear about the stick sucking.  That's the kind of input I've been looking for for.

BTW, I have never had a dish, I'm looking to replace the cable....not that there's any difference.  Mrs. Liberty finds the "On Demand" aspect of many ROKU channels appealing.  We also want to keep the Fox Business going.

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You misunderstood me about the stick. AFAIK,it works good,but IIRC,it doesn't offer the features of the "real" ones.

Still,all you have to do is go to www.roku.com and you can read about all the capabilities and features of each one,as well as see the retail prices from ROKU.

When you are done with that go to amazon and type "roku" into the search engine and buy one cheaper.

BTW,ROKU has one of the simplest and most useful search engines I have ever seen. Just go to the search link on the main page and type in the name of any tv show or movie you want to see,and the ROKU search engine will list every channel that offers it and give you a hot link to them so you can see the prices (if any) and find the best deal without having to go back and forth from one web site to another.

If you like Doctor Who,immediatly go to the app/channel selection section and subscribe to "Brit Box". Nothing on that channel but BBC programing,and they have ever single episode of Dr Who that was ever produced,from the original episode 1 to the show aired last week. They also have all the Sherlock episodes and a few others,but it's a new channel and building up it's inventory.
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Michael Medved who reviews movies himself, did a show on this very subject.The movies with the least in box office revenue were rated R movies. The movies that pulled in the most were family movies, G and PG. The numbers are undisutable. Family films fill theaters, and do great when released on home viewing media.

I know the last movie I saw in a theater was an animated flick.  Last live action film was some alleged romantic comedy that was neither romantic nor funny.  I think movies in the theaters around here are around $15, maybe less for seniors and matinees.  A Netflix subscription with plenty of movies is around $11 or $12.  Why should I waste so much money on one movie that will most likely disappoint me when I have a library of movies at hand in my house to choose from?  And if I don't like the movie, I can turn it off and not feel cheated out of $15.