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« Reply #50 on: August 06, 2017, 05:53:08 pm »

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/articles/features/that_one_time_when_elvis_got_drug_permission_from_president_nixon-65335

When Elvis met Nixon. I didn't know the details of the story.  Basic details are probably there, some speculation I don't quite get.





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« Reply #51 on: August 06, 2017, 06:03:05 pm »
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Last year, when Alice Cooper performed in Tallahassee, I talked to the macabre musician and he told me about meeting Crazy Karate Elvis. It happened during the King’s early tenure in Las Vegas. Elvis summoned Alice — along with Chubby Checker and Linda Lovelace, of all people — to his suite at the Hilton Hotel for a meeting with the Memphis Mafia.

“Elvis comes in and this is not Fat Elvis,” Alice said. “This is Rock ‘n’ Roll Best Elvis. Black Leather Elvis. And he comes in and meets everybody and he goes, ‘Hey, man, you’re the cat with the snake, ain’t cha?’ And I said, ‘Yeah.’ And he goes, ‘I love the makeup, man, that thing you do is so cool and you cut your head off and all that stuff, I really dig it, man.”

Elvis quickly pulled Alice aside and took him into the suite’s spacious kitchen.

“He opens up a kitchen drawer and hands me a loaded Smith & Wesson .38,” Alice said. “He said, ‘I’m going to show you how to take this gun out of someone’s hand.’ And I go, ‘OK.’ So immediately, I open it to take the bullets out and he said, ‘No, no, leave ‘em in. It’s all right.’”

http://www.tallahassee.com/story/entertainment/columnists/hinson/2017/08/05/hinson-years-since-elvis-left-graceland/104316136/

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« Reply #52 on: August 06, 2017, 08:08:06 pm »
Mike Elliott & some of the others were born in Jamaica...which at some point was called Jamaica, BWI (British West Indies). For the most part, I was raised by a couple from Jamaica...

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That's interesting, in college, I was friends with two fellows from Jamaica, brothers, they were of mixed heritage though you might notice it in only one of them and there were mannerisms were very British. From what I know, they were pretty straight as well.

Knew some Kenyan runners, highly competitive types, at least one of them was not straight per smoking you know... it is all interesting. They were running in a high elevation as part of their training. One of them did very well in one of the Boston Marathons.
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« Reply #53 on: August 06, 2017, 08:12:43 pm »
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That's interesting, in college, I was friends with two fellows from Jamaica, brothers, they were of mixed heritage though you might notice it in only one of them and there were mannerisms were very British. From what I know, they were pretty straight as well.

My "second parents" sounded more British that Jamaican though they used many Jamaican phrases.

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« Reply #54 on: August 07, 2017, 11:09:56 am »
All Music Is Welcome.

http://www.thisdayinmusic.com/born_today
http://www.onthisday.com/music/birthdays.php
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1925, Born on this day, Felice Bryant, songwriter with her husband Boudleaux. Wrote Everly Brothers hits, 'All I Have To Do Is Dream', 'Bye Bye Love', 'Wake Up Little Susie' and 'Raining In My Heart' a hit for Buddy Holly. Felice died on April 22nd 2003.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felice_and_Boudleaux_Bryant

Great songwriting team.

Also wrote this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n9prNixjbg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pux7C5ryAyU


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« Reply #55 on: August 07, 2017, 11:26:47 am »
Some other birthdays today:

Rodney Crowell:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j4cu-MuLgc

BJ Thomas, aside from well-known songs like "Raindrops Keep Falling On My Head" and "Hooked On A Feeling", I believe his music turned religious.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4yoCBjJZyA

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« Reply #56 on: August 07, 2017, 12:54:48 pm »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9x3Z6b0Z1g

It figures, they'd make a movie about this continuing from yesterday's thread; but I hadn't heard about it.  It looks like the whole movie is on youtube (pirated?), with captions in Portuguese.  This of course, is just the movie trailer, so nothing pirated or illegal here.

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Another Felice and Boudleux Bryant song, "Devoted To You".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LboNYB_oKTY
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« Reply #57 on: August 07, 2017, 02:04:43 pm »
Birthdays today include jazz legends George Van Eps (he may have invented the seven-string guitar when
he added another bass string to his instrument) . . .


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZDSLQsOmNY

. . . and Rahsaan Roland Kirk . . .


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_q8Ye58uL5o

. . . plus Carlo Novi, saxophonist with Southside Johnny & the Asbury Jukes . . .


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aDLeWoxbms

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« Reply #60 on: August 07, 2017, 02:27:16 pm »
Birthday related (cont.)

Kerry Chater-Gary Puckett & The Union Gap:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1CLjF8Q8xo


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xw3pjpRpig


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« Reply #62 on: August 07, 2017, 02:39:24 pm »
Birthday related (cont.)

Kerry Chater-Gary Puckett & The Union Gap:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1CLjF8Q8xo


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xw3pjpRpig

I still think this is the Union Gap's best record . . .


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7yeC74nF94

. . . and, apparently, these days Gary Puckett thinks he and the original Gap pulled the trigger
too soon on challenging the dominance of their producer Jerry Fuller, who co-wrote some of
their later hits and continued to smother the group's forgotten early R&B influences.

The kicker: Fuller was first tipped to the Union Gap when they gigged in San Diego; the Gap
expected him to come see their second evening set and, looking to save their energy a bit for
that, played a first set highlighting their softer material. They didn't know Fuller had arrived
early and caught that softer side and ran with it, even if "Woman, Woman" still showed subtle
traces of their soul influences.

The Gap also wanted a little more say in their songwriting; they weren't great songwriters
themselves but Gary Puckett and Kerry Chater could at least write material (maybe the best
of those was a collaboration between Puckett, Chater, and Gapper Gary Withem, "If The Day
Would Come," the flip side of "Over You") and they fenced with Fuller over being allowed to
put more of their own material on their albums if Fuller---probably at Columbia Records'
insistence (Clive Davis, who ran the label at the time, fancied himself a hipster with all the
rock legends he was signing and with allowing Miles Davis to stay his experimental course,
but even he wasn't above milking a success on the singles charts when it suited him)---was
running the show with the group's singles.

Apparently, it came to a head over what became the Gap's fifth top twenty hit. With Puckett
and, apparently, Chater leading the charge, the Gap refused Fuller's pick for their next single
. . . especially when they showed up to a recording session to find a 40-piece orchestra
waiting for them. (They hadn't worked with session ensembles that big on their previous
recordings, apparently.) I've seen some stories suggesting Fuller wanted Puckett alone
with that orchestra, without the group, but the bottom line was Puckett tiring of the Fuller
material---possibly including that the stuff picked for singles tended to repeat music motifs
used in the previous hits (something that also proved a trait of the Classics IV's singles,
which invariably featured one or another re-make of "Spooky's" guitar hook somewhere)
---and the group refusing the orchestra. Fuller took a hike and never worked with the group
again, and the hits dried up after "Don't Give In to Him" (which missed the top ten) and "This
Girl is a Woman Now" (number two, a la "Young Girl" and "Lady Willpower"). With two
personnel changes the Union Gap soldiered on until they imploded after a 1971 appearance
at the Orange County Fair---well after Puckett gave in to Columbia and went solo, officially,
though he'd kept the Gap as his touring group.

Gary Puckett has long since been an oldies circuit figure; Kerry Chater has made a respected
career as a Nashville songwriter. (The Nashville connection was no fluke; "Woman, Woman"
was co-written by "Outlaw" legend Tompall Glaser's brother, Jim.)

Classic Union Gap misstep: the back cover art for their third album, Incredible, was
a near-exact replica of that which graced the groundbreaking (for pop/rock/blues) Mike
Bloomfield-Al Kooper-Steve Stills jam album, Super Session. If that was their idea
of trying to hip up, it's small wonder they had so little real shelf life left to come . . .
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« Reply #64 on: August 07, 2017, 03:31:26 pm »
Boudleux and Felice Bryant:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFTUc52LRMQ
A more modern song co-written by Felice and Boudleux Bryant with a lawsuit thrown in for songwriting credit versus Larry Collins and Sandy Pinkard: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You%27re_the_Reason_God_Made_Oklahoma
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You're the Reason God Made Oklahoma" is a 1981 single from the film Any Which Way You Can, performed by David Frizzell and Shelly West. It was written by Larry Collins and Sandy Pinkard (of Pinkard & Bowden). The song was Shelly West's debut on the country chart and David Frizzell's second hit on the country chart. "You're the Reason God Made Oklahoma", was the most successful of seven country hits by the duo, staying number one on the country chart for one week and eleven weeks in the Top 40 country chart.[1]

Felice and Boudleaux Bryant, the writers of the song "Rocky Top", sued Collins and Pinkard for copyright infringement concerning this song, because the tune was similar to their song "Rocky Top."[2] They won the lawsuit and are now often credited as having co-written the song
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You%27re_the_Reason_God_Made_Oklahoma
I never knew this, it doesn't seem obvious to me though I can hear it.

Interesting, I never realized this. I always considered this one of the great country songs.

The Everly Brothers wrote "Cathy's Clown", one of the Everly's best songs; but I've got to wonder, if not for the Bryants, would they have been so big without songs like "Bye Bye Love" and "Wake Up Little Suzie" by the Bryants; and I've said countless times, via the harmonies mainly, if the Everlys had not been around, would the Beatles? At the least, would they have had that same sound.

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Cathy's Clown" was inspired by Ferde Grofé's Grand Canyon Suite.[5] It was a major influence on the Beatles, who — having "once toyed with calling themselves The Foreverly Brothers" — three years later re-created the song's vocal arrangement in their first U.S. single, "Please Please Me".[5][6]

"Cathy's Clown" is mentioned in the opening line of Elliott Smith's song "Waltz 2 (XO)", the title track of his 1998 album XO.[7]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathy%27s_Clown

Anway, never meaning to short change anyone, Reba McIntyre did a great version of Cathy's Clown. We all know the original which is great too. Covers flatter the original artists.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYT6gUMCJhw



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« Reply #65 on: August 07, 2017, 04:44:44 pm »
Covers flatter the original artists.
In too many cases, you mean covers batter the original artists . . .


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8Ivk5qB6qM


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaYCaaWtrTc


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaYDLU37qGI


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boHfsbKbLoM


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLqDS47FdiE

If there were such a thing as real justice, B.J. Thomas, Simon & Garfunkel, the Beatles, B.B. King, and
the Temptations should have been able to prosecute for what the foregoing did to their songs . . .


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« Reply #66 on: August 07, 2017, 04:56:48 pm »
. . . if the Everlys had not been around, would the Beatles? At the least, would they have had that same sound.
The Beatles probably would have been around even without the Everly Brothers' influence; they didn't have a single
influence on what they did. John Lennon, Paul McCartney, and George Harrison often cited Elvis Presley as their
first influence*, but they were also influenced by the rhythm and blues harmony groups of the late 1950s, the earliest
Motown records, the blues, Carl Perkins (George Harrison in particular was influenced by him), Little Richard, Buddy
Holly & the Crickets (his occasional overdubbed harmonies had as much influence on the young Beatles as his song-
writing and his overall sound, not to mention his name---it was that name which prodded them to think of an insect
name for their own group), and the girl groups whose songs were provided by the Brill Building teams such as Gerry
Goffin and Carole King, Barry Mann and Cynthia Weil, etc. (You may recall the Beatles covering a few girl-group
numbers on their earliest albums, not to mention them doing a pretty crunchy version of "Keep Your Hands Off My
Baby," Little Eva's not-as-successful followup to "The Loco-Motion.")

(* Alas, when the Beatles got to meet Elvis in southern California during their mammoth 1965 U.S. tour, the meeting
went anything but swimmingly, considering Elvis treated the idea like a child having to be forced to take his medicine
---with or without a little help from Col. Tom Parker, Elvis considered the Beatles interlopers . . . especially when,
after they did meet at the house Elvis rented while making a film, they stared awkwardly at each other until someone
suggested they jam together. After that, Elvis rather formally told them how much he liked their music---he was lying
through his teeth---and John Lennon frankly told him, "Why don't you go back to your old sound, it was the best
sound you ever had?" The Beatles got further onto Elvis's bad side when, after Elvis turned down their invitation to
come to their Hollywood Bowl concert the following evening, they turned to Elvis's "Memphis Mafia" contingent and
said, "You guys are welcome with or without him." The Memphis Mafia boys took the Beatles up on the offer and had
a grand time with the British quartet, and it was said Elvis hit the ceiling over it hard enough that the Memphis Mafiosi
had to turn down the Beatles' invitation to join up for the second of the two Bowl shows that summer.

John Lennon was later quoted as saying, dripping with sarcasm, "We only ever wanted to meet one person in America,
not that he wanted to meet us . . . the only one we wanted to meet was Elvis Presley. I can't tell you what a thrill
that was!" And, in his final interview before his murder, Lennon told Playboy, when asked what he felt when
Elvis died, knowing Elvis's early influence on the Beatles-to-be, "Elvis died the day he went in the Army.")


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« Reply #67 on: August 07, 2017, 05:05:39 pm »
I'll go with the Beatles, the quote is above that they and they may have been joking around, would call themselves the Foreverly Brothers, John Lennon has stated words to the effect about something about Elvis as well. I will go with their words.  It's quoted above. I don't think there is a reason to post it again.

And the Beatles? Roll over Beethoven? Long Tall Sally, they did a lot of covers.

Beatles harmonies sound a lot like the Everly's, as they say "Please Please Me" may even be largely taking from "Cathy's Clown".

The Beatles probably would have been around even without the Everly Brothers' influence; they didn't have a single
influence on what they did. John Lennon, Paul McCartney, and George Harrison often cited Elvis Presley as their
first influence*, but they were also influenced by the rhythm and blues harmony groups of the late 1950s, the earliest
Motown records, the blues, Carl Perkins (George Harrison in particular was influenced by him), Little Richard, Buddy
Holly & the Crickets (his occasional overdubbed harmonies had as much influence on the young Beatles as his song-
writing and his overall sound, not to mention his name---it was that name which prodded them to think of an insect
name for their own group), and the girl groups whose songs were provided by the Brill Building teams such as Gerry
Goffin and Carole King, Barry Mann and Cynthia Weil, etc. (You may recall the Beatles covering a few girl-group
numbers on their earliest albums, not to mention them doing a pretty crunchy version of "Keep Your Hands Off My
Baby," Little Eva's not-as-successful followup to "The Loco-Motion.")

(* Alas, when the Beatles got to meet Elvis in southern California during their mammoth 1965 U.S. tour, the meeting
went anything but swimmingly, considering Elvis treated the idea like a child having to be forced to take his medicine
---with or without a little help from Col. Tom Parker, Elvis considered the Beatles interlopers . . . especially when,
after they did meet at the house Elvis rented while making a film, they stared awkwardly at each other until someone
suggested they jam together. After that, Elvis rather formally told them how much he liked their music---he was lying
through his teeth---and John Lennon frankly told him, "Why don't you go back to your old sound, it was the best
sound you ever had?" The Beatles got further onto Elvis's bad side when, after Elvis turned down their invitation to
come to their Hollywood Bowl concert the following evening, they turned to Elvis's "Memphis Mafia" contingent and
said, "You guys are welcome with or without him." The Memphis Mafia boys took the Beatles up on the offer and had
a grand time with the British quartet, and it was said Elvis hit the ceiling over it hard enough that the Memphis Mafiosi
had to turn down the Beatles' invitation to join up for the second of the two Bowl shows that summer.

John Lennon was later quoted as saying, dripping with sarcasm, "We only ever wanted to meet one person in America,
not that he wanted to meet us . . . the only one we wanted to meet was Elvis Presley. I can't tell you what a thrill
that was!" And, in his final interview before his murder, Lennon told Playboy, when asked what he felt when
Elvis died, knowing Elvis's early influence on the Beatles-to-be, "Elvis died the day he went in the Army.")

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« Reply #68 on: August 07, 2017, 05:14:04 pm »
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Two voices the Beatles envied
By Bob Greene, CNN Contributor
Updated 8:18 AM ET, Sun January 12, 2014

Paul McCartney said that he and John Lennon used to pretend they were the Everly Brothers: "When John and I first started to write songs, I was Phil and he was Don. Years later when I finally met Phil, I was completely starstruck and at the same time extremely impressed by his humility and gentleness of soul."

Continued: http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/12/opinion/greene-everly-brothers/index.html

No influence, right.


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« Reply #69 on: August 07, 2017, 06:41:09 pm »
No influence, right.
That's not what I said. I said the Beatles would likely have been around even without the
Everlys' influence. That's not the same thing as suggesting the Everlys had no influence
on them at all. Nor is it suggesting an absence of Everlys influence to acknowledge the Beatles came
to have a lot of other scattered influences as songwriters.
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« Reply #70 on: August 07, 2017, 06:47:43 pm »
Beatles harmonies sound a lot like the Everly's, as they say "Please Please Me" may even be largely taking from "Cathy's Clown".
"Please Please Me" was just as influenced by Roy Orbison---Paul McCartney talked about that in The Beatles'
Anthology
series: they had Orbison in mind when writing the song's ascension to the hook, especially since
the song began as a bid to make an Orbison-style ballad of their own until they decided to rock it up more
while keeping the Orbison influence in the hook ascension. The "Cathy's Clown" influence came in that descending
verse harmony. (Now, I wonder if Roy Orbison and the Everly Brothers ever thought about working together, it
might have been fascinating if they had.)

There's also a lot of influence from Smokey Robinson and the Miracles in the Beatles' harmonies; they ultimately
covered "You've Really Got a Hold On Me," but on some of their other early recordings you can hear the Smokey
influence., too.
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« Reply #71 on: August 07, 2017, 06:54:45 pm »
& there's quite a bit of influence of He's So Fine, by The Chiffons, in George Harrison's My Sweet Lord ;-)

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« Reply #72 on: August 07, 2017, 06:58:31 pm »
& there's quite a bit of influence of He's So Fine, by The Chiffons, in George Harrison's My Sweet Lord ;-)
The irony: Harrison ended up owning the publisher of "He's So Fine," several years after the litigation
involving "My Sweet Lord." Which isn't half as funny as John Fogerty getting sued for plagiarising his
own song (he was sued over "The Old Man Down the Road's" using a swamp-blues lick similar
to the one he used in "Run Through the Jungle," long after he lost his rights to his Creedence Clearwater
Revival songs, after he zapped his enemy Fantasy Records owner Saul Zaentz in "Zanz Kant Danz"---but
Fogerty prevailed in that suit).

I have to admit: I like "My Sweet Lord" far more than "He's So Fine" . . .


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72Ym0My5lQY
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« Reply #73 on: August 07, 2017, 07:04:54 pm »
The irony: Harrison ended up owning the publisher of "He's So Fine," several years after the litigation
involving "My Sweet Lord." Which isn't half as funny as John Fogerty getting sued for plagiarising his
own song (he was sued over "The Old Man Down the Road's" using a swamp-blues lick similar
to the one he used in "Run Through the Jungle," long after he lost his rights to his Creedence Clearwater
Revival songs, after he zapped his enemy Fantasy Records owner Saul Zaentz in "Zanz Kant Danz"---but
Fogerty prevailed in that suit).

I have to admit: I like "My Sweet Lord" far more than "He's So Fine" . . .


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72Ym0My5lQY

I have to admit that I prefer He's So Fine...since it gets me to bang on my steering wheel during the 2 short drum solos...

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« Reply #74 on: August 07, 2017, 07:13:58 pm »
I have to admit that I prefer He's So Fine...since it gets me to bang on my steering wheel during the 2 short drum solos...
You can have it, kiddo. I've been doo-lang/doo-langed to death! ;)


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