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The Foolishness of Never Trumpers
« on: July 10, 2017, 06:39:55 pm »
The Foolishness of Never Trumpers

Bruce Bialosky  Posted: Jul 09, 2017 12:01 AM

Note: On January 22, 2017 I wrote a column that made clear that the claim 17 intelligence agencies agreed that Russia was responsible for the interference in the election was a lie. Last week, both the NYT and AP retracted their statements and stated only three intelligence agencies were involved in the issue. Only the NSA, FBI and the CIA were involved. Nice to know the Coast Guard was protecting our coast and not reviewing Hillary’s emails.

You might have thought that once the election was over that the Never Trumpers would have wised up and at least have abided by the old rule, “If you cannot say something nice, then don’t say anything at all.” It seems that at least some of them have not wised up at all and realized they are enabling their own political adversaries by besmirching a Republican president.

Their misguided thinking was recently exemplified by Jonah Goldberg, one of the leaders of the Never Trump movement. On May 26th, Goldberg wrote (in his stream of consciousness published by National Review every Friday): “I have no problem with the President firing Jim Comey. I have no objection, in principle, to Trump declassifying information. I loved his counterprogramming to the White House Correspondents’ Dinner. But the way Trump does these things and so many others is counterproductive precisely because he doesn’t know how to do them to his advantage — and that’s because he doesn’t know where the lines are. The Invisi-Fences are like the security lasers in some ridiculous heist movie. Every time Trump crosses one, he gets cut and bleeds a little more political capital, in part because his missteps undercut his image as a mastermind who thinks six steps ahead.”

Jonah, don’t you get it? It is not the manner he does it, it is that he does it, period. Goldberg apparently is unaware of the Left-Right Principle. If Trump says left, they will say right. If he says blue, they will say red. They hate him and they hate what Republicans and Conservatives stand for. They feel (and I use that word precisely) that after eight years of Obama they have a birthright to lurch this country toward socialism, single-payer health insurance and confiscation of all guns owned by citizens. Trump by any other name (Kasich, Rubio, Bush) would get similar treatment, just with a little different coloring.

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https://townhall.com/columnists/brucebialosky/2017/07/09/the-foolishness-of-never-trumpers-n2351294
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Re: The Foolishness of Never Trumpers
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2017, 06:42:15 pm »
And some more common sense, from a source which has remained conservative, not some bs from Politico, NYT etc.
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Re: The Foolishness of Never Trumpers
« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2017, 06:45:25 pm »
   OK, you're pushing my limit here @truth_seeker  :nometalk:
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Re: The Foolishness of Never Trumpers
« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2017, 06:55:59 pm »
   OK, you're pushing my limit here @truth_seeker  :nometalk:

 I hope you're just warming up @truth_seeker ..... It's past time for some facts and truth to see the light of day! 

Thank you!   :beer:

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Re: The Foolishness of Never Trumpers
« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2017, 06:56:47 pm »
I'm not a never Trumper, but I can't understand this shut up and be good little sheeple nonsense. I loved Ronald Reagan and I still voiced my opinion and hoped my viewpoint would be heard and considered when it was different than Reagan's.
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Re: The Foolishness of Never Trumpers
« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2017, 06:59:42 pm »
I hope you're just warming up @truth_seeker ..... It's past time for some facts and truth to see the light of day! 

Thank you!   :beer:

Amen, sister!   :beer:   @Right_in_Virginia   


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Re: The Foolishness of Never Trumpers
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2017, 07:00:28 pm »
Same finger-pointing and conservative-bashing, different day.

Same "the media, they're the real enemy, it doesn't matter what Trump does because of that" argument, different day.

Same inability to get over the fact that we don't owe him our votes, different day.
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Re: The Foolishness of Never Trumpers
« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2017, 07:04:44 pm »
I hope you're just warming up @truth_seeker ..... It's past time for some facts and truth to see the light of day! 

Thank you!   :beer:

   Oh, you Trumpers are Good    now you've got everyone talking about the foolishness of #nevertrumpers (whatever that is) and no one is talking about Don Jr. meeting Russians and Dad's most recent ridiculous tweet about Comey....damn I wish we had such brilliant people on our team.
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Re: The Foolishness of Never Trumpers
« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2017, 07:08:37 pm »
I'm not a never Trumper, but I can't understand this shut up and be good little sheeple nonsense. I loved Ronald Reagan and I still voiced my opinion and hoped my viewpoint would be heard and considered when it was different than Reagan's.

The job of the public/voter is to question their leaders and not follow lock-step behind everything they say.
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Re: The Foolishness of Never Trumpers
« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2017, 07:09:03 pm »






I'd rather be a fool than a traitor.

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Re: The Foolishness of Never Trumpers
« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2017, 07:11:02 pm »
They act like Trump is the most delicate snowflake ever.
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Re: The Foolishness of Never Trumpers
« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2017, 07:11:09 pm »
   Oh, you Trumpers are Good    now you've got everyone talking about the foolishness of #nevertrumpers (whatever that is) and no one is talking about Don Jr. meeting Russians and Dad's most recent ridiculous tweet about Comey....damn I wish we had such brilliant people on our team.

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Re: The Foolishness of Never Trumpers
« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2017, 07:14:10 pm »
They act like Trump is the most delicate snowflake ever.

Kinda funny.

Early this morning on twitter I saw a "Frog Whistle" calling for all Pepes to stand ready to protect and defend "God Emperor Trump".

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Re: The Foolishness of Never Trumpers
« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2017, 07:14:14 pm »
This thread better stay on track and not resort to insulting ea other or I will personally lock it.
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Re: The Foolishness of Never Trumpers
« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2017, 07:19:36 pm »
The job of the public/voter is to question their leaders and not follow lock-step behind everything they say.

This is true @mystery-ak .  Just as it is also true that the job of the public/voter is to not get trapped in the emotional rewards of group think.

Cold hard facts and accomplishments ---- they are the best decision-making tools a voter has.   And they're the fodder for good, solid, thoughtful political debate.





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Re: The Foolishness of Never Trumpers
« Reply #15 on: July 10, 2017, 07:20:11 pm »
This thread better stay on track and not resort to insulting ea other or I will personally lock it.

The source of the article is a well respected conservative source. Any "insults" would be due to the behavior of members, themselves.

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« Reply #16 on: July 10, 2017, 07:20:42 pm »
    Comeon Briefers WE can do this, please check your insult tendencies at the door, and empty your pockets of all matches and lighters, cause the smell of gasoline is strong in here.   There are those among us that think it can't be done I have more faith in my fellow Briefer.
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« Reply #17 on: July 10, 2017, 07:22:26 pm »
The source of the article is a well respected conservative source. Any "insults" would be due to the behavior of members, themselves.

That's exactly what I am talking about.
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« Reply #18 on: July 10, 2017, 07:23:30 pm »
    Comeon Briefers WE can do this, please check your insult tendencies at the door, and empty your pockets of all matches and lighters, cause the smell of gasoline is strong in here.   There are those among us that think it can't be done I have more faith in my fellow Briefer.

The very title is an insult as is the intent of the "article".

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Re: The Foolishness of Never Trumpers
« Reply #19 on: July 10, 2017, 07:24:42 pm »

You might have thought that once the election was over that the Never Trumpers would have wised up and at least have abided by the old rule, “If you cannot say something nice, then don’t say anything at all.”

There was never any such 'rule' regarding political discourse in this country about our leaders.   You can read Adams and Jefferson and discover that yourself.

Telling us to 'shut up' about our elected rulers or we can be counted as enemies of the state is what tyrants and their mobs of supporters do.

It seems that at least some of them have not wised up at all and realized they are enabling their own political adversaries by besmirching a Republican president.

I will besmirch any president or politician from any party at any damn time I decide they say or do something stupid, harmful, egregious or contrary to liberty and my principles.


They hate him and they hate what Republicans and Conservatives stand for.

Trump is no Conservative, and never has been.  He is a lifelong NYC Liberal Democrat and outspokenly proud of that fact.  He is an opportunist and at best a Progressive Populist.

His daughter whom we did not elect, is pushing policy to enact PAID maternity leave for both fathers and mothers as law.  Trump is seating her at the table of international leaders so he can pimp her Foundation Initiatives and pay for it with our tax dollars.  Not exactly a Conservative thing to do.

And, given the Republican party's efforts to save ObamaCare and make it their own and renege on the promise to repeal the tyranny 'root and branch' - the Republican party itself no longer stands for things Conservatives do.  Republicans now stand for what Democrats and Populists do.

They feel (and I use that word precisely) that after eight years of Obama they have a birthright to lurch this country toward socialism, single-payer health insurance...

Exactly what the Republican party itself is supporting and enabling to happen.  Rather than repeal Socialism's Main avenue of permanence in the country - they want to make it their own with 'fixes' to only lower the threshold of pain to make it bearable until the entire purpose of the act reaches its fruition.

and confiscation of all guns owned by citizens.

Where is that particular legislation at?  The scare-tactic doesn't work.

I can't understand this shut up and be good little sheeple nonsense.

That is all that the Trump Militant stands for.  The public demand that we all must sing hosannas about Trump - genuflect Trump and his greatness, or shut up, go away and be ashamed - because if you dare opine anything that disses his regal highness in the White House, you are a traitor that serves the left - and you must be declared as such.
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Re: The Foolishness of Never Trumpers
« Reply #20 on: July 10, 2017, 07:25:02 pm »
The very title is an insult as is the intent of the "article".

   True Dat @Cripplecreek but when did 'their' opinion of US ever matter?
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« Reply #21 on: July 10, 2017, 07:29:00 pm »
We are just so proud to have a president that insults another man's wife and insults a former President's daughter.
Our hearts just go pitter patter every time he gets his twitter going.

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Re: The Foolishness of Never Trumpers
« Reply #22 on: July 10, 2017, 07:33:48 pm »
Jonah Goldberg is another in a long line of do nothing ivory tower NY/DC types over at National Review. They have done nothing to promote and institute any of the ideas they get payed by the word to vomit on their computer screens. The whole place is an irrelevant shambles since Buckley assumed room temp.

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Re: The Foolishness of Never Trumpers
« Reply #23 on: July 10, 2017, 07:38:11 pm »
 The Foolishness of Never Trumpers

Never Trump Critics Look Foolish Today

Two articles with almost the same title saying almost the same thing posted by the same person...If I didn't know better I would say that this poster is trying to incite a fight on the forum...but that's just me... *****rollingeyes*****
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Re: The Foolishness of Never Trumpers
« Reply #24 on: July 10, 2017, 07:40:10 pm »
The Foolishness of Never Trumpers

Never Trump Critics Look Foolish Today

Two articles with almost the same title saying almost the same thing posted by the same person...If I didn't know better I would say that this poster is trying to incite a fight on the forum...but that's just me... *****rollingeyes*****

Good eye at detecting the pattern.
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