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Offline EC

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Did you hear the one about the Priest, The Evangelist and the Rabbi who lived on the same block and all bought New Cadillacs?
Well, one Saturday the Priest came out to his driveway with a spector and holy water pail and proceeded to bless his new Caddy.  The Evangelist was mowing his grass and witnessed the Priest's acts and not to be out done, walked over to his new car and began the laying on of hands ritual invoking the Holy Spirit to safeguard his ride.  Now the Rabbi who was washing his Cadillac and watch both of the priest and Ministers actions put his hose down and went into the garage to fetch a hacksaw.  He walked to the rear of the car, bent down and proceeded to cut a 1/4 inch off his tailpipe.

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Why you joining in making a mountain out of a Mohel?  :tongue2:

LOL! Almost as good as 'Should we tell him where the rocks are?"

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A rabbi and a priest were having drinks one night, discussing the world and the way their faith fitted. After a few drinks, the priest leans forward and quietly says, "I know your dietary restrictions. Have you ever broken them? Eaten pork?" The rabbi thought for a moment, finished his drink and said, " Yes. I tried a bacon sandwich once. Another round?"
After another couple of drinks, the rabbi leans forward and says, very quietly, "I know your church requires you to be chaste. Have you ever had, well, you know?" The priest finished his drink, ordered two more and said, equally quietly "Yes. I have had sex since I was ordained." The rabbi gives a slow smile, drains his beer and says "Beats the hell out of bacon, doesn't it."
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Offline The_Reader_David

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Bullcrap.

A business should very well have a right to refuse service for any reason whatsoever. Being made to serve is not service it is slavery.


And that is precisely the argument Goldwater made against the civil rights law that gave us non-discrimination in public accommodations as a legal notion in the first place.  He was right.  Unfortunately 43 years of statutory and case law has settled the country on the opposite position. 

The question now is whether the plain meaning "...or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." as extended to the states by prevailing 14th Amendment jurisprudence and supported by the precedent of giving waivers to generally applicable laws to the Amish for their scruples, to conscientious objectors in time of war, to prisoners with religious dietary restrictions and the like will allow for conscientious objection to the secularist settlement of sexuality.  The Little Sisters of the Poor prevailed, so there is some hope that artists and craftsmen will not be compelled to provide support for the celebration of things to which they have religious objections.
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And that is precisely the argument Goldwater made against the civil rights law that gave us non-discrimination in public accommodations as a legal notion in the first place.  He was right.  Unfortunately 43 years of statutory and case law has settled the country on the opposite position. 

The question now is whether the plain meaning "...or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." as extended to the states by prevailing 14th Amendment jurisprudence and supported by the precedent of giving waivers to generally applicable laws to the Amish for their scruples, to conscientious objectors in time of war, to prisoners with religious dietary restrictions and the like will allow for conscientious objection to the secularist settlement of sexuality.  The Little Sisters of the Poor prevailed, so there is some hope that artists and craftsmen will not be compelled to provide support for the celebration of things to which they have religious objections.

Precisely why I am against anti-discrimination laws altogether. Goldwater was right.
What I do on my property, public or otherwise is my business.
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And 'conscientious objector' is not good enough. while it may allow exception, it leaves the authority in the hands of the government - Authority it most certainly should not have.

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And what if we refuse?

We fought a bloody revolution against people with your mindset.  You want a rematch?


Again with the threats of violence against those who merely disagree.   
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Again with the threats of violence against those who merely disagree.

Blah blah blah.  Only a bloody wanker like yourself would think that was a threat.  You really need to grow a pair or better yet... ask your wife to get them out of the mason jar on the top shelf in the closet where she keeps them..

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Again with the threats of violence against those who merely disagree.

You are not 'disagreeing'.

You advocate empowering the government to put a gun to our heads to force us to acknowledge and celebrate homosexuality or have our livelihoods ruined and taken away.

The very definition of tyranny.

Only tyrants and advocates of tyranny would read what I posted and insist it as a threat.  So thanks for outing yourself... yet again.
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Again with the threats of violence against those who merely disagree.

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Again with the threats of violence against those who merely disagree.

Only they aren't directed against you.

Put your big girl panties on and quit whining.
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Blah blah blah.  Only a bloody wanker like yourself would think that was a threat.  You really need to grow a pair or better yet... ask your wife to get them out of the mason jar on the top shelf in the closet where she keeps them..

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That's not arbitrary discrimination.   That's discrimination for a reason - the customer isn't wearing shoes.

And refusing to bake a cake decorated to celebrate a homosexual "wedding" is not arbitrary discrimination, it is discrimination for a reason:  the thing being celebrated is destructive of the soul and harmful to the eternal salvation of those involved.  At least that is the view of it held by anyone who holds the traditional Christian (or Jewish or Muslim) view of morality.  The fact that you, or the people holding the "wedding" disagree does not mean that acting on that view, part of the free exercise of religion (that Congress may not prohibit according to the First Amendment's guard of the natural right to free exercise for religion, and which the several states and their subdivisions may not prohibit under the prevailing interpretation of the 14th Amendment as extending the guarantees of the Bill of Rights against enrcoachment by the several states) constitutes "arbitrary discrimination".
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Problem easily solveable via the Market.  You should be able to refuse service to anyone, and especially not be compelled to speak on behalf of someone else.

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I am still always surprised by "conservatives" who want and wait for the government to come up with the solution to the problem du jour, especially when it seems to me that it's the government that causes a lot of the problem in the first place; wedding cakes, health insurance, etc etc.

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  It cannot erase the bigotry in a person's heart.
You are confusing judgment with bigotry.

There is a God who you need to refer to in order to clarify.  I follow Him.
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Why you joining in making a mountain out of a Mohel?  :tongue2:

@EC
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I am still always surprised by "conservatives" who want and wait for the government to come up with the solution to the problem du jour, especially when it seems to me that it's the government that causes a lot of the problem in the first place; wedding cakes, health insurance, etc etc.

@RoosGirl

This, exactly.

Offline rodamala

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Again with the threats of violence against those who merely disagree.

Aw!  She baked you a cake!

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You are confusing judgment with bigotry.

There is a God who you need to refer to in order to clarify.  I follow Him.

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The pay sucks, but they get to keep the tips.

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And refusing to bake a cake decorated to celebrate a homosexual "wedding" is not arbitrary discrimination, it is discrimination for a reason:  the thing being celebrated is destructive of the soul and harmful to the eternal salvation of those involved.  At least that is the view of it held by anyone who holds the traditional Christian (or Jewish or Muslim) view of morality.  The fact that you, or the people holding the "wedding" disagree does not mean that acting on that view, part of the free exercise of religion (that Congress may not prohibit according to the First Amendment's guard of the natural right to free exercise for religion, and which the several states and their subdivisions may not prohibit under the prevailing interpretation of the 14th Amendment as extending the guarantees of the Bill of Rights against enrcoachment by the several states) constitutes "arbitrary discrimination".

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