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The U.S. Supreme Court announced Monday it will hear the case of a suburban Denver baker who refused to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple on faith-based grounds, in the latest religious freedom case to be considered before the nation's highest court. 

Jack Phillips, owner of Masterpiece Cakeshop, had refused to sell a customized cake for a gay couple's union, claiming a religious exemption to the state's anti-discrimination law.

State courts had ruled against the businessman.

The high court will now decide whether applying Colorado's public accommodations law to compel the baker to create "expression"-- a wedding cake -- violates his constitutionally protected Christian beliefs about marriage.

Phillips told the Supreme Court he has free speech and religious rights under the First Amendment that should protect him. He said he should not be compelled to bake a cake specifically to honor a same-sex marriage.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/06/26/supreme-court-to-hear-case-bakers-refusal-to-make-wedding-cake-for-gay-couple.html
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The U.S. Supreme Court announced Monday it will hear the case of a suburban Denver baker who refused to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple on faith-based grounds, in the latest religious freedom case to be considered before the nation's highest court. 



If I'd been the baker, I'd say sure, and deliver this.....

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Hope he prevails in his endeavor to slap some sense into the Gay and blt bowel movement sweeping the country.

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Hope he prevails in his endeavor to slap some sense into the Gay and blt bowel movement sweeping the country.

Yeah I'm hoping this goes his way too.

God help us if it doesn't.
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If I'd been the baker, I'd say sure, and deliver this.....



Looks like a Jaba the hut cake in white.  Very fitting!

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Whoever the judges are that ruled the state can compel a person to create something they object to religiously should be impeached. It should have never gotten this far.

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I give credit to the SCOTUS for agreeing to take up the case.   It's bizarre how this stupid little disagreement has galvanized activists on both sides.  May as well resolve it,  to shut people up if for nothing else.

I'm pretty sure I know how it's going to go.   Be careful what you wish for, folks.  Arbitrary notions of "religious freedom" don't trump one's obligation to be fair and not discriminate with respect to commercial dealings in the public square.     
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If I'd been the baker, I'd say sure, and deliver this.....



They then would sue for the cost of the wedding and destroying their lifetime of happiness.

Sure would have been easier to come up with a different reason but I'm sure this gay 'couple' were targeting Christian businesses.
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I give credit to the SCOTUS for agreeing to take up the case.   It's bizarre how this stupid little disagreement has galvanized activists on both sides.  May as well resolve it,  to shut people up if for nothing else.

I'm pretty sure I know how it's going to go.   Be careful what you wish for, folks.  Arbitrary notions of "religious freedom" don't trump one's obligation to be fair and not discriminate with respect to commercial dealings in the public square.   

You still seem to be unable to grasp the notion that the owner has the right to refuse service to anyone.
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May as well resolve it,  to shut people up if for nothing else.

Like Roe vs Wade "settled" the abortion issue?
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I give credit to the SCOTUS for agreeing to take up the case.   It's bizarre how this stupid little disagreement has galvanized activists on both sides.  May as well resolve it,  to shut people up if for nothing else.

I'm pretty sure I know how it's going to go.   Be careful what you wish for, folks.  Arbitrary notions of "religious freedom" don't trump one's obligation to be fair and not discriminate with respect to commercial dealings in the public square.   

"Be careful when you wish for that silly religious freedom."

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Whoever the judges are that ruled the state can compel a person to create something they object to religiously should be impeached. It should have never gotten this far.

Thanks to the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, we now live in a nation that forces its citizens, at gunpoint, under the penalty of fines and imprisonment, to enter into a contract to purchase a product that they do not want and do not need.

That being said, I fully expect any SCOTUS court case where someone is defending their right to be free of the involuntary servitude of being forced to enter into a contract to bake a cake will go badly for the baker.



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I give credit to the SCOTUS for agreeing to take up the case.   It's bizarre how this stupid little disagreement has galvanized activists on both sides.  May as well resolve it,  to shut people up if for nothing else.

I'm pretty sure I know how it's going to go.   Be careful what you wish for, folks.  Arbitrary notions of "religious freedom" don't trump one's obligation to be fair and not discriminate with respect to commercial dealings in the public square.   

Bullcrap.

A business should very well have a right to refuse service for any reason whatsoever. Being made to serve is not service it is slavery.

Had a homo baker refused to sell me a wedding cake, I might think he's an a$$h0le, and tell him so, but i'd just go find someone else who would gladly give me what I want. That's what a free market is.

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You still seem to be unable to grasp the notion that the owner has the right to refuse service to anyone.

If you run a "public accommodation",  you cannot refuse service for arbitrary reasons.   Most of us agree with that principle in the context of, say, a public lunch counter that refuses to serve blacks.  But it's the same principle at work with this stubborn baker who won't bake the damn cake because of his "religious" animus toward gays and the notion that the community dares to provide legal protections against his brand of arbitrary "religious" bias.   
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Like Roe vs Wade "settled" the abortion issue?

All a court case can do is erect a signpost indicating the community's legal position when one person's action harms another.  It cannot erase the bigotry in a person's heart.   
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It cannot erase the bigotry in a person's heart.

There you go again, insulting peoples scripture based beliefs.
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Yeah I'm hoping this goes his way too.

God help us if it doesn't.

I don't care how the court "rules".  No one can force me to sin and violate my conscience and faith in order to comply with an evil law.

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You still seem to be unable to grasp the notion that the owner has the right to refuse service to anyone.

Don't feed the troll   He will take over this thread
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If you run a "public accommodation",  you cannot refuse service for arbitrary reasons.   

Watch us.  Yes we can.  I do it all the time with respect to my own business.

Most of us agree with that principle in the context of, say, a public lunch counter that refuses to serve blacks. 

"Public lunch counter"?  Where does the government run those exactly outside of public schools we taxpayers subsidize?  Care to share which restaurants and lunch counters we taxpayers fund that are public accommodations?

If I go to a Chocolate City, and I go to a restaurant that says they do not serve whites, I leave and spend my money on a place that will.  I do not come back to target those owners with lawsuits and government agents in order to put them out of business and create a climate of fear.

But of course I would not expect meddlesome tyrants who preach tolerance to comprehend that personal skill.

But it's the same principle at work with this stubborn baker who won't bake the damn cake because of his "religious" animus toward gays and the notion that the community dares to provide legal protections against his brand of arbitrary "religious" bias.

Screw their "protections".  They are not "protections", they are Preferred Castes of the Government, based on perverted behavior.

But you make me laugh - if I went to a Muslim bakery and demanded they bake me an Easter Lamb cake, and put them through the same bullshit hell the homos and people like you put Masterpiece Bakeshop through - I'm certain you would take up for the Muslims.

Because you are in no wise for 'equal protection' at all.  We got your number and know what you are.

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I don't care how the court "rules".  No one can force me to sin and violate my conscience and faith in order to comply with an evil law.

Better to obey God than men.

Absolutely I agree with you.   No one can force me to violate Gods Law.  However it would still be better if the courts agree.   I would rather have Christians participating in commerce and the public square than in jail or unable to make a living.  But however it goes God is in control and He will reward those who make a stand on His name
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Whoever the judges are that ruled the state can compel a person to create something they object to religiously should be impeached. It should have never gotten this far.
I'm with you on that. Hopefully SCOTUS will rule sensibly on this, especially since it seems these 'couples' have been seeking Christian owned businesses for the purpose of being refused and suing them. It isn't as if there are no other bakers or wedding venues or photographers out there.
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It is not for his benefit we take apart his inane statements, but for yours and the board's - so Conservatives can recognize these wolves in our midst and how to tear asunder their clever subterfuge in support of the Leftist agenda.
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I give credit to the SCOTUS for agreeing to take up the case.   It's bizarre how this stupid little disagreement has galvanized activists on both sides.  May as well resolve it,  to shut people up if for nothing else.

I'm pretty sure I know how it's going to go.   Be careful what you wish for, folks.  Arbitrary notions of "religious freedom" don't trump one's obligation to be fair and not discriminate with respect to commercial dealings in the public square.   
So sue a Muslim restaurant for refusing to put on a pig roast some time, and we'll see how that works out.
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So sue a Muslim restaurant for refusing to put on a pig roast some time, and we'll see how that works out.

If SCOTUS rules the wrong way, I think that is exactly what should be done.  The case would be back to the supremes in record time
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If you run a "public accommodation",  you cannot refuse service for arbitrary reasons.   Most of us agree with that principle in the context of, say, a public lunch counter that refuses to serve blacks.  But it's the same principle at work with this stubborn baker who won't bake the damn cake because of his "religious" animus toward gays and the notion that the community dares to provide legal protections against his brand of arbitrary "religious" bias.

@Jazzhead

First of all the Bible (aka Gods Word) is not arbitrary.   Parts of it have been written down for 3600 years at least.  They  haven't changed.

Christians are  part of the community too, a big part.  We have rights as well, including free speech.  Why do you hate Christians so much?  Its not like we invented Gods rules.
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