Otto Warmbier: American student freed by North Korea back on US soil

[GourmetDan]

That the Norks injured him to the point that recovery was not possible.  What did you think it said?

That he was alive until he got here... we killed him and are blaming the NKs for his death...

[Sanguine]

I don't think a body can survive on life support when you are dead...

You're conflating brain death with complete death.

[mountaineer]

I don't think a body can survive on life support when you are dead...

I believe that's why they're called "extraordinary measures."

[thackney]

I don't think a body can survive on life support when you are dead...

Many people have to make the decision to stop external life support after brain death for family members in the hospital.  It has been happening for decades.  My grandfather many years ago was in this condition.

[GourmetDan]

You're conflating brain death with complete death.

Actually... I think you're the one doing that...

"List of Brain Dead Patients Who've Recovered"

[txradioguy]

[Sanguine]

No, I just don't have the heart for it.  Or, the time or patience.

[Cripplecreek]

Many people have to make the decision to stop external life support after brain death for family members in the hospital.  It has been happening for decades.  My grandfather many years ago was in this condition.

Yup. A body can "survive" for years on life support after total brain death. All its doing is forcing air into the lungs, using electrical impulses to produce a heartbeat, and intravenously introducing nourishment.

For that matter you could keep a headless body "alive" like that.

[driftdiver]

I don't think a body can survive on life support when you are dead...

@GourmetDan

There area  myriad of cases where people are brain dead but their body is kept on life support for years.

You seem to be ignoring that whatever happened to him, happened in NK.   

[driftdiver]

No, I just don't have the heart for it.  Or, the time or patience.

Indeed

[GourmetDan]

@GourmetDan

There area  myriad of cases where people are brain dead but their body is kept on life support for years.

You seem to be ignoring that whatever happened to him, happened in NK.

I gave you a link for people who have been declared 'brain dead' but weren't...

[corbe]

   Didn't read the Thread, Not sure if this has been posted or not.

Group Behind Otto Warmbier’s North Korea Trip Won’t Bring More Americans

by Associated Press

BEIJING — The organizers of a trip to North Korea by an American college student who died after being released from prison in a coma say they will no longer take U.S. citizens to the country.

Young Pioneer Tours said Tuesday on its Facebook page that the death of 22-year-old Otto Warmbier shows that the risk American tourists face in visiting North Korea "has become too high."

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http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/group-behind-otto-warmbier-s-north-korea-trip-won-t-n774486

[Sanguine]

   Didn't read the Thread, Not sure if this has been posted or not.

Group Behind Otto Warmbier’s North Korea Trip Won’t Bring More Americans

by Associated Press

BEIJING — The organizers of a trip to North Korea by an American college student who died after being released from prison in a coma say they will no longer take U.S. citizens to the country.

Young Pioneer Tours said Tuesday on its Facebook page that the death of 22-year-old Otto Warmbier shows that the risk American tourists face in visiting North Korea "has become too high."

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http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/group-behind-otto-warmbier-s-north-korea-trip-won-t-n774486

And, of course that's why they arrested him, poster notwithstanding.  He was an American.

[driftdiver]

   Didn't read the Thread, Not sure if this has been posted or not.

Group Behind Otto Warmbier’s North Korea Trip Won’t Bring More Americans

by Associated Press

BEIJING — The organizers of a trip to North Korea by an American college student who died after being released from prison in a coma say they will no longer take U.S. citizens to the country.

Young Pioneer Tours said Tuesday on its Facebook page that the death of 22-year-old Otto Warmbier shows that the risk American tourists face in visiting North Korea "has become too high."

<..snip..>

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/group-behind-otto-warmbier-s-north-korea-trip-won-t-n774486

I think they were bringing Americans to provide the NKs with pawns to use.   

[txradioguy]

The worst part of this to me...is the fact our own President told his family not to make noise about the fact he was a captive over there.

What kind of cowardly BS is that?

[musiclady]

No, I just don't have the heart for it.  Or, the time or patience.

Good call.

[txradioguy]

That he was alive until he got here... we killed him and are blaming the NKs for his death...

Seriously?

I know I'm going to regret asking this ...but why prey tell would we want to even think of doing something like that?

What's the benefit or endgame for the U.S. in killing someone we worked to get back from a Communist régime?

[GourmetDan]

Seriously?

I know I'm going to regret asking this ...but why prey tell would we want to even think of doing something like that?

What's the benefit or endgame for the U.S. in killing someone we worked to get back from a Communist régime?

Easy... to prepare the public for more war by continuing to demonize the NKs... you're ready to attack NK, aren't you?

[txradioguy]

Easy... to prepare the public for more war by continuing to demonize the NKs... you're ready to attack NK, aren't you?

The Norks do a great job of demonizing themselves with their brutal communist regime they've imposed on their people for over 60 years.

I'm a soldier.  I pray for peace and prepare for war.

And all we've done by coddling North Korea and removing troops from the Peninsula and standing down on the DMZ is invite them into a war that we can't win at this moment.

Is that something you want?

[GourmetDan]

Is that something you want?

I want the globalists to stop driving nations into wars... do you think I will get it?

[driftdiver]

Easy... to prepare the public for more war by continuing to demonize the NKs... you're ready to attack NK, aren't you?

@GourmetDan
Whose payroll are you on?   Just wondering because that is the only reason you'd be making this argument.

The atrocities committed by Kim and his father are very well documented.   They've killed hundreds of thousands of their own citizens.  Frequently using the most horrendous means to do it.   Everything from using them as subjects for WMD experimentation, slave labor in mines, raping the women to death, running them over with a steam roller, feeding them to pigs, feeding them to cows, mortars, anti-aircraft weapons, poison, and on and on.   If someone is accused of being disloyal they send/kill three generations of the family to the camps.  They let children starve in the streets while Kim enjoys the finest lifestyle.

In what alternate reality is there ANY need to invent further material to demonize the NKs?    What kind of drugs is it required to make that sound reasonable?

[driftdiver]

I want the globalists to stop driving nations into wars... do you think I will get it?

@GourmetDan

The globalists profit from war.  Its the chaos which is furthering their cause.  That and the use of internet trolls.

[txradioguy]

I want the globalists to stop driving nations into wars... do you think I will get it?

I think you'll get a thank you note from the Reynolds Aluminum company...but that's about it.

[txradioguy]

@GourmetDan
Whose payroll are you on?   Just wondering because that is the only reason you'd be making this argument.

The atrocities committed by Kim and his father are very well documented.   They've killed hundreds of thousands of their own citizens.  Frequently using the most horrendous means to do it.   Everything from using them as subjects for WMD experimentation, slave labor in mines, raping the women to death, running them over with a steam roller, feeding them to pigs, feeding them to cows, mortars, anti-aircraft weapons, poison, and on and on.   If someone is accused of being disloyal they send/kill three generations of the family to the camps.  They let children starve in the streets while Kim enjoys the finest lifestyle.

In what alternate reality is there ANY need to invent further material to demonize the NKs?    What kind of drugs is it required to make that sound reasonable?

Pfffft...who can be bothered with facts when we can fantasize about the eeevil cabal of Globalists...whatever that means...who are really causing all the wars.

[driftdiver]

Pfffft...who can be bothered with facts when we can fantasize about the eeevil cabal of Globalists...whatever that means...who are really causing all the wars.

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Its mind numbingly stupid to think our government engineered his release and then killed him as an excuse to start a war.   Good grief the guy has nukes and has promised to use them as soon as his rockets are ready.   What more reason would we need?