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Re: Otto Warmbier: American student freed by North Korea back on US soil
« Reply #50 on: June 15, 2017, 11:34:11 pm »
An innocent bystander
Somehow you got stuck
Between a rock and a hard place
And you were down on your luck, eh?

Unfortunatley poor Otto's dad was unable to get him 'outta this'.

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Re: Otto Warmbier: American student freed by North Korea back on US soil
« Reply #51 on: June 16, 2017, 12:12:41 am »
Unfortunatley poor Otto's dad was unable to get him 'outta this'.

Yeah. Ain't like Havana or Honduras...
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Re: Otto Warmbier: American student freed by North Korea back on US soil
« Reply #52 on: June 16, 2017, 02:30:09 am »
I listened to the doctor testimony today.Does the man have a feeding tube or is on life support? I'm sure this has been answered but I haven't seen it.

I will say that Rodman is an idiot (always has been).Going to this rogue country with a nutcase ruler is just about the weirdest thing I've ever heard of.
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Re: Otto Warmbier: American student freed by North Korea back on US soil
« Reply #53 on: June 16, 2017, 03:21:31 am »
The norks claim of a crime should be viewed very skeptically...and his confession under duress is of no value either. 

Pure commie theatre for the masses.

That's fine, but how about hanging out in a brutal regime? No American has any business being in North Korea. NONE.

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Re: Otto Warmbier: American student freed by North Korea back on US soil
« Reply #54 on: June 16, 2017, 05:18:48 am »
That's fine, but how about hanging out in a brutal regime? No American has any business being in North Korea. NONE.
No argument there.  One has to be seriously deluded or a true believer to "visit" a commie shithole like NK. 

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Re: Otto Warmbier: American student freed by North Korea back on US soil
« Reply #55 on: June 19, 2017, 08:45:45 pm »
Breaking-

He just died.

Just a headline. No news.


Mods- you might want to make this a separate story
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Re: Otto Warmbier: American student freed by North Korea back on US soil
« Reply #56 on: June 19, 2017, 08:49:20 pm »
Breaking-

He just died.

Just a headline. No news.


Mods- you might want to make this a separate story

Not a surprise, but it's so sad. 

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« Reply #57 on: June 19, 2017, 09:03:27 pm »
Breaking-

He just died.

Just a headline. No news.


Mods- you might want to make this a separate story

It wasn't looking good from the day he came back.

May God give his family peace.  This is vile......    **nononono*
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Re: Otto Warmbier: American student freed by North Korea back on US soil
« Reply #58 on: June 19, 2017, 09:16:45 pm »
Not a surprise, but it's so sad.
Purportedly over a poster...a life for a poster.   :shrug:

Condolences to his family and friends, at least they got to see him before he passed, for what that's worth.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/otto-warmbier-american-student-detained-north-korea-17/story?id=48140700
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Re: Otto Warmbier: American student freed by North Korea back on US soil
« Reply #59 on: June 19, 2017, 09:21:59 pm »
He has probably been dead for weeks, and NK simply returned the corpse complete with attached life support gear, to the US.

US position: How did you kill him?

NK position: He was alive when you got him. How did you kill him?

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Re: Otto Warmbier: American student freed by North Korea back on US soil
« Reply #60 on: June 19, 2017, 09:30:55 pm »
He has probably been dead for weeks, and NK simply returned the corpse complete with attached life support gear, to the US.

US position: How did you kill him?

NK position: He was alive when you got him. How did you kill him?

How Trump responds will be indicative of whether he has any idea of what his appropriate role as a leader should be.

You don't just sit back when something like this happens to a citizen of the nation you lead. He needs to make a stinking deal out of this. Use every means at his disposal to squeeze these troglodytes until they squeal.

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« Reply #61 on: June 19, 2017, 09:35:29 pm »
NK probably recruited kids like him to use like this.  Meaning they set the tour companies up and had them find pawns.
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Re: Otto Warmbier: American student freed by North Korea back on US soil
« Reply #62 on: June 19, 2017, 09:59:00 pm »
How Trump responds will be indicative of whether he has any idea of what his appropriate role as a leader should be.

You don't just sit back when something like this happens to a citizen of the nation you lead. He needs to make a stinking deal out of this. Use every means at his disposal to squeeze these troglodytes until they squeal.

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Re: Otto Warmbier: American student freed by North Korea back on US soil
« Reply #63 on: June 19, 2017, 10:01:10 pm »
NK probably recruited kids like him to use like this.  Meaning they set the tour companies up and had them find pawns.

Yeah, I read something like that.  A company in Australia recruits these kids and takes them over there. I guess usually it goes ok.

Here is one source: 
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The website of Young Pioneer Tours anticipates a frequently asked question about North Korea: “How safe is it?”

“Extremely safe!” the company replies, in an answer that remained on its site without qualification even after the return this week of one of its customers, Otto F. Warmbier, in a coma with what doctors described Thursday as “extensive loss of brain tissue in all regions of his brain.”

Mr. Warmbier, 22, a student at the University of Virginia, traveled to Pyongyang on a trip organized by Young Pioneer Tours in December 2015 and was imprisoned over alleged efforts to remove a propaganda sign from his hotel. For more than a year, North Korea declined diplomats’ requests to visit him. Then on Tuesday, it abruptly released him on “humanitarian grounds.”

Many questions remain about Mr. Warmbier’s precipitous decline in health, including whether he had been repeatedly beaten, as one senior American official suggested, citing recent intelligence reports, or slipped into a coma after contracting botulism and taking a sleeping pill, as North Korean diplomats asserted. It is also unclear why North Korea kept Mr. Warmbier’s condition a secret for so long and chose to release him now.
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But the case has prompted fresh scrutiny of the agencies — many of them based in China — that take foreign tourists to North Korea and calls for new restrictions on travel to the country, where three other American citizens are still being held on charges of ill-defined crimes against the authoritarian state....

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/16/world/asia/otto-warmbier-north-korea-travel.html

And, from the travel agents site (emphasis mine):

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Welcome to Young Pioneer Tours, the first company to offer budget tours to the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea

Young Pioneer Tours is an adventure travel company formed in 2008 and based in mainland China. Specialising in North Korea tours, we provide “budget travel to destinations your mother would rather you stayed away from”.

We are renowned and rated as one of the best North Korea travel operators with our unparalleled experience, fun way of doing things, and most importantly, excellent relations in country; this makes us the best choice for your visit to North Korea.

As well as seeing the must see sights in Pyongyang and visiting the DMZ, we provide tours to various locations within North Korea. So whether you’re looking to compete in the Pyongyang Marathon, experience the spectacular sights of Mt Paektu, ski at the world class Masikryong Ski resort, explore the extreme North East of the country, or visit Rason city – North Korea’s Special Economic Zone, we have itineraries to suit all travellers.

Aside from the DPRK, we travel to a number of other destinations such as Afghanistan, Iran, Turkmenistan, Chernobyl, Cuba, Antarctica, Eritrea and more! All our tours are founded on the YPT ethos of fun, thrill seeking and adventure at a great price. All ages welcomed!

http://www.youngpioneertours.com/
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Re: Otto Warmbier: American student freed by North Korea back on US soil
« Reply #64 on: June 19, 2017, 10:09:05 pm »
There really isn't anything the Trump administration can or should do about this, aside from registering the usual protests.

Mr. Warmbier took it upon himself to travel to a dangerous and unstable place where nearly all (if not all?) Americans are viewed with contempt and suspicion.

The treatment he received there was (of course!) unwarranted.
But travel there comes with great risks.
He chose to take the risks, and he paid a price for so doing.

RIP.

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« Reply #65 on: June 20, 2017, 12:29:33 pm »
@ Sanguine

'Young Pioneers' rang a bell.

Young Pioneers, was a mass youth organization of the Soviet Union

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Pioneer_Organization_of_the_Soviet_Union

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« Reply #66 on: June 20, 2017, 12:42:16 pm »
The treatment he received there was (of course!) unwarranted.
But travel there comes with great risks.
He chose to take the risks, and he paid a price for so doing.

RIP.

OTOH, we could argue that the NKs managed to keep him alive and he only died once he got to the USA... what does that say?

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Re: Otto Warmbier: American student freed by North Korea back on US soil
« Reply #68 on: June 20, 2017, 12:49:17 pm »
OTOH, we could argue that the NKs managed to keep him alive and he only died once he got to the USA... what does that say?

Says that he was on life support until his parents gave the OK to pull the plug.

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« Reply #69 on: June 20, 2017, 12:53:37 pm »
OTOH, we could argue that the NKs managed to keep him alive and he only died once he got to the USA... what does that say?

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It says the NKs beat the crap out of him, causing brain damage and when they saw he wasn't going to recover and was in fact declining it forced them to decide if they wanted him to die there or here.
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« Reply #70 on: June 20, 2017, 01:00:43 pm »
Says that he was on life support until his parents gave the OK to pull the plug.

Thanks mom... dad...

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« Reply #71 on: June 20, 2017, 01:03:05 pm »
Thanks mom... dad...

Indeed thanks.   I for one would not want my family to go through seeing my body on life support unendingly after I suffered severe brain damage and was in fact, dead.
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« Reply #72 on: June 20, 2017, 01:04:38 pm »
@ Sanguine

'Young Pioneers' rang a bell.

Young Pioneers, was a mass youth organization of the Soviet Union

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Pioneer_Organization_of_the_Soviet_Union

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« Reply #73 on: June 20, 2017, 01:05:34 pm »
OTOH, we could argue that the NKs managed to keep him alive and he only died once he got to the USA... what does that say?

That the Norks injured him to the point that recovery was not possible.  What did you think it said?

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« Reply #74 on: June 20, 2017, 01:20:25 pm »
Indeed thanks.   I for one would not want my family to go through seeing my body on life support unendingly after I suffered severe brain damage and was in fact, dead.

I don't think a body can survive on life support when you are dead...

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