Ivanka Trump says she didn’t expect the ‘viciousness’ in Washington

[Smokin Joe]

The only one of the bunch that is performing great day after day is Melania. Keeping her mouth shut and just standing there--looking good. They should all take a page out of her book.

Actually, I think you nailed it.

[Rivergirl]

Living in NJ we were well aware of the low down activites by DT.  What we didn't know was that his family was similarly infected with the lack of integrity gene.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Living in NJ we were well aware of the low down activites by DT.  What we didn't know was that his family was similarly infected with the lack of integrity gene.

Really?  This is quite a statement @Rivergirl   Care to share the details of what you learned at the local diner in Jersey?

[AllThatJazzZ]

Really?  This is quite a statement @Rivergirl 

I'd like to restate RIV's question, @Rivergirl: This is quite a believable statement, @Rivergirl.

I've never been interested in Trump and never paid any attention to him until he decided he was a Republican and was going to throw his hat into the presidential race. When I got a gander at how he behaves when the entire world's focus is on him, I figured there was probably even more to that behavior than what we were witnessing. I did some digging to find out what I could learn about who Trump really was. I found some very interesting things, but many of them just disappeared from the internet. Hmmmm....

 

[Right_in_Virginia]

I'd like to restate RIV's question, @Rivergirl: This is quite a believable statement, @Rivergirl. 

Cool @AllThatJazzZ .... you believe something sinister happened in NJ.

Care to provide some facts to support this ... or should we all just rely on feelings now? 

[ABX]

I'd like to restate RIV's question, @Rivergirl: This is quite a believable statement, @Rivergirl.

I've never been interested in Trump and never paid any attention to him until he decided he was a Republican and was going to throw his hat into the presidential race. When I got a gander at how he behaves when the entire world's focus is on him, I figured there was probably even more to that behavior than what we were witnessing. I did some digging to find out what I could learn about who Trump really was. I found some very interesting things, but many of them just disappeared from the internet. Hmmmm....

Not to rehash old discussions, but what she described is pretty much very well known. He was the poster child for cronyism. In business school in the late 90s, he was used as a major example in business ethics class about that fine line of unethical behavior. Just a quick read of 'The Art of the Deal' shows it isn't some high standard of deal making but the lowest form of slimy business sales skills usually in the realm of used car salesmen or MLM pimps.

But here is a specific example- As you know, Trump owns casinos in New Jersey.  In New York, he created an anti-gambling political action committee (PAC) to stop any casinos from being built there. Then, he actually sued New York and native tribes to stop them from building casinos to compete with his. Did he do it because he opposed gambling, nope. He did it to get the government in New York to block any competition to his New Jersey casinos. This went on for decades. Note, these articles were not 'discovered' new stories from during the campaign but articles from 1994-2000, long before this campaign.  (also note that when he was fined for his unethical practices around this in 2000, the article lists Roger Stone as his 'casino strategist').

http://www.nytimes.com/1993/05/04/nyregion/trump-in-a-federal-lawsuit-seeks-to-block-indian-casinos.html
http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/trump-fined-attack-indian-casino-article-1.888723
http://nypost.com/2000/07/24/trump-upported-group-that-fought-indian-casino-bid/
https://archives.nbclearn.com/portal/site/k-12/flatview?cuecard=36320


This is just one of many, many, many examples.

When Harry Reid played games like this in Nevada, our side routinely trashed him for it and have long opposed this type of cronyism. Now, to some, this is acceptable 'how the game is played'.

[Cripplecreek]

But here is a specific example- As you know, Trump owns casinos in New Jersey.  In New York, he created an anti-gambling political action committee (PAC) to stop any casinos from being built there. Then, he actually sued New York and native tribes to stop them from building casinos to compete with his. Did he do it because he opposed gambling, nope. He did it to get the government in New York to block any competition to his New Jersey casinos. This went on for decades. Note, these articles were not 'discovered' new stories from during the campaign but articles from 1994-2000, long before this campaign.  (also note that when he was fined for his unethical practices around this in 2000, the article lists Roger Stone as his 'casino strategist').

http://www.nytimes.com/1993/05/04/nyregion/trump-in-a-federal-lawsuit-seeks-to-block-indian-casinos.html
http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/trump-fined-attack-indian-casino-article-1.888723
http://nypost.com/2000/07/24/trump-upported-group-that-fought-indian-casino-bid/
https://archives.nbclearn.com/portal/site/k-12/flatview?cuecard=36320


This is just one of many, many, many examples.

When Harry Reid played games like this in Nevada, our side routinely trashed him for it and have long opposed this type of cronyism. Now, to some, this is acceptable 'how the game is played'.

Sheldon Adelson opposes online gambling and speaks of it as a moral issue with people losing their homes to gambling addiction outside the controlled environment of the casinos. In reality he has no problems with gambling addicts as long as they're losing in his casinos.

in Michigan, casinos were the primary financial support of the lobby to stop smoking in bars while making sure the law had a carefully carved loophole that only they could fit through.

[Sanguine]

Not to rehash old discussions, but what she described is pretty much very well known. He was the poster child for cronyism. In business school in the late 90s, he was used as a major example in business ethics class about that fine line of unethical behavior. Just a quick read of 'The Art of the Deal' shows it isn't some high standard of deal making but the lowest form of slimy business sales skills usually in the realm of used car salesmen or MLM pimps.

But here is a specific example- As you know, Trump owns casinos in New Jersey.  In New York, he created an anti-gambling political action committee (PAC) to stop any casinos from being built there. Then, he actually sued New York and native tribes to stop them from building casinos to compete with his. Did he do it because he opposed gambling, nope. He did it to get the government in New York to block any competition to his New Jersey casinos. This went on for decades. Note, these articles were not 'discovered' new stories from during the campaign but articles from 1994-2000, long before this campaign.  (also note that when he was fined for his unethical practices around this in 2000, the article lists Roger Stone as his 'casino strategist').

http://www.nytimes.com/1993/05/04/nyregion/trump-in-a-federal-lawsuit-seeks-to-block-indian-casinos.html
http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/trump-fined-attack-indian-casino-article-1.888723
http://nypost.com/2000/07/24/trump-upported-group-that-fought-indian-casino-bid/
https://archives.nbclearn.com/portal/site/k-12/flatview?cuecard=36320


This is just one of many, many, many examples.

When Harry Reid played games like this in Nevada, our side routinely trashed him for it and have long opposed this type of cronyism. Now, to some, this is acceptable 'how the game is played'.

So, @AbaraXas  question that you may not be able to answer: why, if this is all true (and, I'm not doubting that it may be), why did the press not cover this?  Did they not believe that he could win so they didn't bother?  Did they enjoy the viewership that having Trump on camera got for them, so they didn't want to rock that boat?  Or, did they and I missed it?

[Suppressed]

But here is a specific example- As you know, Trump owns casinos in New Jersey.  In New York, he created an anti-gambling political action committee (PAC) to stop any casinos from being built there. Then, he actually sued New York and native tribes to stop them from building casinos to compete with his. Did he do it because he opposed gambling, nope. He did it to get the government in New York to block any competition to his New Jersey casinos. This went on for decades. Note, these articles were not 'discovered' new stories from during the campaign but articles from 1994-2000, long before this campaign.  (also note that when he was fined for his unethical practices around this in 2000, the article lists Roger Stone as his 'casino strategist').

http://www.nytimes.com/1993/05/04/nyregion/trump-in-a-federal-lawsuit-seeks-to-block-indian-casinos.html
http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/trump-fined-attack-indian-casino-article-1.888723
http://nypost.com/2000/07/24/trump-upported-group-that-fought-indian-casino-bid/
https://archives.nbclearn.com/portal/site/k-12/flatview?cuecard=36320


This is just one of many, many, many examples.

When Harry Reid played games like this in Nevada, our side routinely trashed him for it and have long opposed this type of cronyism. Now, to some, this is acceptable 'how the game is played'.

And not the only fine out there.. http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/22/politics/trump-taj-mahal/index.html

Those of us from NY knew Trump very well. Those of us who knew people who'd had business dealings with him knew him very well.  I think you'll find that those who knew him best were some who opposed him most vigorously.

But with rose-colored glasses, reality can be obscured.

[Oceander]

So, @AbaraXas  question that you may not be able to answer: why, if this is all true (and, I'm not doubting that it may be), why did the press not cover this?  Did they not believe that he could win so they didn't bother?  Did they enjoy the viewership that having Trump on camera got for them, so they didn't want to rock that boat?  Or, did they and I missed it?

Who knows.  Ask the source. 

[Oceander]

And not the only fine out there.. http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/22/politics/trump-taj-mahal/index.html

Those of us from NY knew Trump very well. Those of us who knew people who'd had business dealings with him knew him very well.  I think you'll find that those who knew him best were some who opposed him most vigorously.

But with rose-colored glasses, reality can be obscured.

[Emjay]

Not to rehash old discussions, but what she described is pretty much very well known. He was the poster child for cronyism. In business school in the late 90s, he was used as a major example in business ethics class about that fine line of unethical behavior. Just a quick read of 'The Art of the Deal' shows it isn't some high standard of deal making but the lowest form of slimy business sales skills usually in the realm of used car salesmen or MLM pimps.

But here is a specific example- As you know, Trump owns casinos in New Jersey.  In New York, he created an anti-gambling political action committee (PAC) to stop any casinos from being built there. Then, he actually sued New York and native tribes to stop them from building casinos to compete with his. Did he do it because he opposed gambling, nope. He did it to get the government in New York to block any competition to his New Jersey casinos. This went on for decades. Note, these articles were not 'discovered' new stories from during the campaign but articles from 1994-2000, long before this campaign.  (also note that when he was fined for his unethical practices around this in 2000, the article lists Roger Stone as his 'casino strategist').

http://www.nytimes.com/1993/05/04/nyregion/trump-in-a-federal-lawsuit-seeks-to-block-indian-casinos.html
http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/trump-fined-attack-indian-casino-article-1.888723
http://nypost.com/2000/07/24/trump-upported-group-that-fought-indian-casino-bid/
https://archives.nbclearn.com/portal/site/k-12/flatview?cuecard=36320


This is just one of many, many, many examples.

When Harry Reid played games like this in Nevada, our side routinely trashed him for it and have long opposed this type of cronyism. Now, to some, this is acceptable 'how the game is played'.

Those of us who kept up during the primaries know all these things.  Pointing them out got many of us kicked off TOS.

A few of us are willing to look beyond this in the hope that Trump will keep all.... or most .... or some of his promises. 

We are unable to see the virtue in continuing to rehash the shady past of the guy.  We all know it.  We can deal with it or not.

[Emjay]

Actually, I think you nailed it.

I continue to be pleased and amazed by Melania's conduct as First Lady.  So far, she has not put a foot wrong.

[Suppressed]

Those of us who kept up during the primaries know all these things.  Pointing them out got many of us kicked off TOS.

A few of us are willing to look beyond this in the hope that Trump will keep all.... or most .... or some of his promises. 

We are unable to see the virtue in continuing to rehash the shady past of the guy.  We all know it.  We can deal with it or not.

We can hope he keeps his good promises (there's often a promise on each side of an issue), but still criticize his bad side.  After all, we criticize any other liberal -- why is he given a pass?

[Rivergirl]

NY metro media never missed a story about Trump's shady dealings.  That the workers at his casinos were cheated out of their pay.  That his bankruptcies were convenient ways for him not to pay his debts.
His notorious behavior with Marla Maples while married to Ivana were well documented.  There he was bragging that he never had better sex than with Marla. No doubt his children just loved reading about that.

[Emjay]

We can hope he keeps his good promises (there's often a promise on each side of an issue), but still criticize his bad side.  After all, we criticize any other liberal -- why is he given a pass?

If you think Trump is given a pass, you're not paying attention.

The forces lined up against him include billionaires like Soros, evil democrats (is that an oxymoron?) like Hillary and Obama, the main stream media, Hollywood and all of the in crowd in entertainment and many people here on TBR.

Some TBR people seem to need to reaffirm their own virtue by proclaiming that they do not approve of Trump's personal behavior past and present.

[Night Hides Not]

So, @AbaraXas  question that you may not be able to answer: why, if this is all true (and, I'm not doubting that it may be), why did the press not cover this?  Did they not believe that he could win so they didn't bother?  Did they enjoy the viewership that having Trump on camera got for them, so they didn't want to rock that boat?  Or, did they and I missed it?

I certainly remember how Morning Joe gave him unlimited air time during the early days of the primary campaign. He was on almost every morning. He boosted their ratings, that's for sure. Then he went off the reservation, sufficient for Mika to disengage, with Joe following her every step.

[Night Hides Not]

Some TBR people seem to need to reaffirm their own virtue by proclaiming that they do not approve of Trump's personal behavior past and present.

C'mon @Emjay, I like you, but you're overreaching here. I'd just like to see the Leader of the Free World, and our Commander in Chief, hold himself to a higher standard than he's demonstrated...for decades.

[Sanguine]

Those of us who kept up during the primaries know all these things.  Pointing them out got many of us kicked off TOS.

A few of us are willing to look beyond this in the hope that Trump will keep all.... or most .... or some of his promises. 

We are unable to see the virtue in continuing to rehash the shady past of the guy.  We all know it.  We can deal with it or not.

Sorry, Emjay, but that's not quite true.  I "kept up" during the primaries, and actively supported another candidate.

[Sanguine]

NY metro media never missed a story about Trump's shady dealings.  That the workers at his casinos were cheated out of their pay.  That his bankruptcies were convenient ways for him not to pay his debts.
His notorious behavior with Marla Maples while married to Ivana were well documented.  There he was bragging that he never had better sex than with Marla. No doubt his children just loved reading about that.

You're right.  It was pretty clear.  I didn't support him then, and didn't think he could possibly be our candidate, so I didn't retain all of that dirt.  Ugh.

[Emjay]

Sorry, Emjay, but that's not quite true.  I "kept up" during the primaries, and actively supported another candidate.

What's not true?  I kept up also and passionately supported another candidate.

I'm just not sure of the benefit of re-hashing all of Trump's many sins and shortcomings.

For one thing, it would take all day.

[Emjay]

C'mon @Emjay, I like you, but you're overreaching here. I'd just like to see the Leader of the Free World, and our Commander in Chief, hold himself to a higher standard than he's demonstrated...for decades.

So would I.  And I like you too.  But wishing won't make it so.

[Suppressed]

If you think Trump is given a pass, you're not paying attention.

The forces lined up against him include . . .

So ... Are you lining up?  Or are you giving him a pass?

[Suppressed]

C'mon @Emjay, I like you, but you're overreaching here. I'd just like to see the Leader of the Free World, and our Commander in Chief, hold himself to a higher standard than he's demonstrated...for decades.

:thumbsup3:

[Emjay]

So ... Are you lining up?  Or are you giving him a pass?

Neither one. 

Just because I don't choose to enumerate each and every one of Trump's faults daily and in every post does not mean I am giving him a pass.