Indy Muslims call out creators of local billboard that insults Prophet Muhammad

[thackney]

I will provide you the quran quotes.  Please provide the bible quotes.

@Jazzhead

Perhaps you are having trouble finding the biblical instructions to Christians how to handle non-believers.  This may help you:

Jesus Sends Out the Twelve
http://biblehub.com/niv/matthew/10.htm

5These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: “Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. 6Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel. 7As you go, proclaim this message: ‘The kingdom of heaven has come near.’ 8Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy,a drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give.

9 “Do not get any gold or silver or copper to take with you in your belts— 10 no bag for the journey or extra shirt or sandals or a staff, for the worker is worth his keep. 11 Whatever town or village you enter, search there for some worthy person and stay at their house until you leave. 12 As you enter the home, give it your greeting. 13If the home is deserving, let your peace rest on it; if it is not, let your peace return to you. 14 If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet. 15 Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.

The World Hates the Disciples
http://biblehub.com/niv/john/15.htm

18 “If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. 19 If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you. 20 Remember what I told you: ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’b If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also. 21 They will treat you this way because of my name, for they do not know the one who sent me. 22 If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not be guilty of sin; but now they have no excuse for their sin. 23 Whoever hates me hates my Father as well. 24 If I had not done among them the works no one else did, they would not be guilty of sin. As it is, they have seen, and yet they have hated both me and my Father. 25 But this is to fulfill what is written in their Law: ‘They hated me without reason.’

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Christ taught those of the world and not of the spirit would hate us.  He taught us that the world hated him first.  He never taught that we should kill those who will not agree with us.  Salvation in life everlasting will be our reward, we need not seek acceptance and conversion of others while on the world.

[mountaineer]

Aaannnnnnnnndddddddddd, another thread devolves into a religious debate. 
If only we could stay on topic!

[Oceander]

It is a tenet of Christianity that salvation can be achieved only by accepting Christ, is it not?   Am I incorrect that "believing Christians" insist on conversion as a prerequisite for life after death?   

Are you equating life after death with "convert to Islam or we will behead you"?  If you are, then you are grotesquely off-base.

[txradioguy]

It is a tenet of Christianity that salvation can be achieved only by accepting Christ, is it not?   Am I incorrect that "believing Christians" insist on conversion as a prerequisite for life after death?

Show us where the "convert to our religion or we'll kill you" is located in the Bible please.

Again you're attempt to equate Islam with Christianity is falling woefully short.

[thackney]

It is a tenet of Christianity that salvation can be achieved only by accepting Christ, is it not?   Am I incorrect that "believing Christians" insist on conversion as a prerequisite for life after death?

Am I incorrect to understand you equate not having eternal salvation with requiring your believer to fight those nonbelievers on earth to conversion, submission or death?

Believing in consequences for your choices in life is hardly the same as teaching your believers to not permit others with different beliefs to exist except in submission to you.

[Jazzhead]

Allow me to rephrase then... which religion teaches to convert to their's or die be put to death?

Got it.  Skeeter, you're the only one savvy enough to understand what I was getting at.   Christians are just as fanatical as Muslims in insisting their way or the highway, if you seek life after death.   

[Sanguine]

It is a tenet of Christianity that salvation can be achieved only by accepting Christ, is it not?   Am I incorrect that "believing Christians" insist on conversion as a prerequisite for life after death?

Now, you're just arguing to argue.  That wasn't what you said originally.   Remember this (from a few minutes ago):

Quote from: thackney on Today at 09:22:18 AM


    Which religion teaches you must convert to theirs or die?

Well, Christianity certainly does.   

[txradioguy]

Are you equating life after death with "convert to Islam or we will behead you"?  If you are, then you are grotesquely off-base.

That is exactly what he's doing.

[Wingnut]

Aaannnnnnnnndddddddddd, another thread devolves into a religious debate. 
If only we could stay on topic!

Thanks JayZ.

[txradioguy]

Got it.  Skeeter, you're the only one savvy enough to understand what I was getting at.   Christians are just as fanatical as Muslims in insisting their way or the highway, if you seek life after death.

No not really.

For someone who claims to be a Christian...you are exposing a significant lack of knowledge about the Bible as well as the tenets of the Christian faith.

[Bigun]

You cannot coexist with those who only seek to kill you!
 

[Restored]

It is a tenet of Christianity that salvation can be achieved only by accepting Christ, is it not?   Am I incorrect that "believing Christians" insist on conversion as a prerequisite for life after death?

But it is not "convert or we will kill you". It was "convert and you will live forever".

That's a vast difference from compulsory conversion. Besides, forcing someone to convert to your religion is not a religious act. It's a political act.

[thackney]

Aaannnnnnnnndddddddddd, another thread devolves into a religious debate. 
If only we could stay on topic!

Wasn't religious belief the topic of the thread in the first place?

[skeeter]

Got it.  Skeeter, you're the only one savvy enough to understand what I was getting at.   Christians are just as fanatical as Muslims in insisting their way or the highway, if you seek life after death.

You're rationalizing. There is utterly no comparison between the two - none.

[driftdiver]

Allow me to rephrase then... which religion teaches to convert to their's or die be put to death?

@skeeter

You communicated well enough the first time. 

[mountaineer]

Wasn't religious belief the topic of the thread in the first place?

A billboard that offended Muslims was the subject, not Christian apologetics. But it was just an observation, not telling anyone what to discuss. 

[Oceander]

Got it.  Skeeter, you're the only one savvy enough to understand what I was getting at.   Christians are just as fanatical as Muslims in insisting their way or the highway, if you seek life after death.   

Hmmm.  But Muslims are exhorted to put unbelievers to death in this life, not just to attempt to persuade them that they won't have an afterlife.  Therein lies a world of difference.

[Right_in_Virginia]

But it is not "convert or we will kill you". It was "convert and you will live forever". 

I don't want to speak for @Jazzhead ... but I think the point he is making...whether right or wrong... is more like:  "convert or we will kill you now" v "don't convert and you will die later".   

[Sanguine]

I don't want to speak for @Jazzhead ... but I think the point he is making...whether right or wrong... is more like:  "convert or we will kill you now" v "don't convert and you will die later".

Well....ok.  That makes as much sense as JH's statement.   

[txradioguy]

I've seen and experienced Islam it up close and personal on three separate occasions in three different countries on three separate continents.

The apologists for Islam are either clueless about what it really stands for...your average MSM reporter and/or politician/Lib...or they know what it stands for and go before a microphone and lie.

The Bible is limited strictly to how to conduct your religious life so to speak.

Islam encompasses every aspect of your personal and public life.  From clothes to wear foods to eat to banking and business practices.

It's the real world Theocracy that non believers in this country try to convince us Christianity is.

[Jazzhead]

Are you equating life after death with "convert to Islam or we will behead you"?  If you are, then you are grotesquely off-base.

No, now you're being dishonest.   The quote I was responding to was the following:

Which religion teaches you must convert to theirs or die?

That's exactly what Christianity teaches - accept Christ or die.   Bible-believing Christians consider Jews and Muslims to be worm food.   

[driftdiver]

No, now you're being dishonest.   The quote I was responding to was the following:

That's exactly what Christianity teaches - accept Christ or die.   Bible-believing Christians consider Jews and Muslims to be worm food.

@Jazzhead

We're all worm food in the end.  Christians do not seek to expedite that end with anyone who is a non believer.  Despite the bigoted lies told by some.

Islam however instructs it's followers to kill those who don't accept their religion.

You still have not answered the questions about this billboard.  It doesn't reference Islam and is factual.  What is wrong with it?

[XenaLee]

Funny..... how the billboard doesn't even say 'who' that perfect man might be.  But the Muslimes all know who it refers to....lol.

They implicated themselves via their own outrage.   Truthophobes.   Gotta love the irony.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Well....ok.  That makes as much sense as JH's statement.   

Who's JH?  @Sanguine

[XenaLee]

No, now you're being dishonest.   The quote I was responding to was the following:

That's exactly what Christianity teaches - accept Christ or die.   Bible-believing Christians consider Jews and Muslims to be worm food.

Actually.... it's not.  Not even close. 

Christianity teaches: The spiritual path to God AFTER you die is only through Jesus Christ.  Nothing is said about "or die" while living.   The key difference is spiritually vs. corporally.... ie while in human flesh.

Why are you being willfully obtuse and/or stirring the pot here?   Troll much?   Have the sudden need to get the thread shut down..... for "some" reason?  lolol