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In comparison, in 2016 we armed them to the tune of $1.15 Billion
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/10/saudi-arabia-close-to-deal-to-buy-115bn-worth-of-military-equipment-from-us

I'm sure there will be a split on if this is good or bad. More information needs to be known about the current deal really, especially around how much we are subsidizing versus selling.

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I'm confused.  Why, exactly, does the filthy rich (already) nation of Saudi need that many (more) billions of US dollars?  Is this like paying someone to be your friend?
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I'm confused.  Why, exactly, does the filthy rich (already) nation of Saudi need that many (more) billions of US dollars?  Is this like paying someone to be your friend?

That's why more information is needed to know if this is a sale, financing them, or subsidizing them (on in the case of these things sometimes subsidizing the companies that make it so they can provide it cheaper, defacto subsidization without direct government discount or payment to Saudi Arabia).

As a note, when Obama did this (at 1% of the amount), Republicans threw a fit.

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??? So far, I'm not in favor of the idea at all ... arming an enemy is never a good thing.  Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the Saudi's assist the attack on the U.S. on 9-11? 

Quite frankly, I'd rather take the $110 billion and build the dang wall!!
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That's why more information is needed to know if this is a sale, financing them, or subsidizing them (on in the case of these things sometimes subsidizing the companies that make it so they can provide it cheaper, defacto subsidization without direct government discount or payment to Saudi Arabia).

As a note, when Obama did this (at 1% of the amount), Republicans threw a fit.

Either way (or either president)....  it's going to be a waste (yet another) of taxpayer money, IMO.   What are we, the legal citizens of America, supposed to be getting out of this "deal"?  Screwed again?  No thanks.
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At least, Trump isn't kissing or bowing to the Saudi King; oh dear.  22222frying pan

Whether I agree with it or not, this relationship with KSA goes back to the '80s at least, so I guess we see them as strategic because every president since Bush 41 has had this warm relationship with them. I don't know how Reagan saw them.


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Most of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudi's

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  Is this like paying someone to be your friend?

Sort of, except nations don't have friends.

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Gee ... especially with Rinse and Jared in attendance as well ... kind of makes you feel like nothing could possibly go wrong!
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USA Delivers 19,000 Bombs to Wahabist Saudis Supporting ISIS

Could it be any more clear who is on the right side, and who is on the wrong side of this conflict?

The Islamist theocracy Saudi Arabia is getting heavy ammunition equaling billions of dollars from the United States. It remains to be seen whether this economic booster shot for the U.S. defense industry will lead to consequences in Syria. The Saudis are fighting covertly against the Russians.

The U.S. government has approved a multibillion dollar arms deal with Saudi Arabia. In order to strengthen its air force, the Islamist monarchy wants to purchase more than 19,000 bombs, which would total up to 1.29 billion dollars (1.19 billion euros). This was confirmed by the State Department in Washington on Monday. Although the final word from the U.S. Congress is still pending, it’s likely that the approval will go through.....

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I believe in the arming any country* or nation with arms equal to their own ability to attack and crush an enemy with superior firepower while sustaining significant but not catastrophic losses of their own forces.  This keeps a customer filling the pipeline with replacement orders.

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I don't understand what they need them for since we do all their fighting for them.

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I don't understand what they need them for since we do all their fighting for them.

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@ 1:25 on the vid:

"when you take a look at these stocks,"

Says it all.

Lots of folks sucking up lots of tax dollars.


Machiavelli called BS on this 500 years ago.

http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/1232

Chapters 12 and 13 regarding Mercenaries and Auxiliaries

His reasoning is as lucid and spot on today as it was when he wrote it.
« Last Edit: May 22, 2017, 01:42:08 PM by To-Whose-Benefit? »
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In Vol 2 the weapons come out in a winner take all war on two fronts.

Vol 3 opens with the rigged murder trial of the villain in a Viking Court under Viking law to set the stage for the hero's own murder trial.

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@ 1:25 on the vid:

"when you take a look at these stocks,"

Says it all.

Lots of folks sucking up lots of tax dollars.


Machiavelli called BS on this 500 years ago.

http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/1232

Chapters 12 and 13 regarding Mercenaries and Auxiliaries

His reasoning is as lucid and spot on today as it was when he wrote it.

Just a side note because I always found this interesting (you probably know this), Machiavelli did not write The Prince as a guide for good leadership, but as a trap. He hated the leadership of the time so he wrote this treatise as a way of helping them destroy themselves. Basically, if a leader followed the instructions in The Prince, they would self-destruct. It was, for all intents and purposes, a big Troll.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/05/06/how-machiavelli-trolled-europe-s-princes

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Just a side note because I always found this interesting (you probably know this), Machiavelli did not write The Prince as a guide for good leadership, but as a trap. He hated the leadership of the time so he wrote this treatise as a way of helping them destroy themselves. Basically, if a leader followed the instructions in The Prince, they would self-destruct. It was, for all intents and purposes, a big Troll.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/05/06/how-machiavelli-trolled-europe-s-princes

How familiar are you with St Nick's actual book?

Because I find the entire premise of the troll in it preposterous.

How many times have you actually read it, and pondered over its import and insights?
« Last Edit: May 22, 2017, 02:46:32 PM by To-Whose-Benefit? »
My 'Viking Hunter' High Adventure Alternate History Series is FREE, ALL 3 volumes, at most ebook retailers including Ibooks, Barnes and Noble, Kobo, and more.

In Vol 2 the weapons come out in a winner take all war on two fronts.

Vol 3 opens with the rigged murder trial of the villain in a Viking Court under Viking law to set the stage for the hero's own murder trial.

http://wulfanson.blogspot.com

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How familiar are you with St Nick's actual book?

How many times have you actually read it, and pondered over its import and insights?

Several times. I have a nice leather bound copy on the shelf behind me (next to The Discourses and The Mandrake). I refer to the Prince quite often (especially when Obama was President) because when you see a leader acting like that, you can see a nature that will destroy itself. I suggest reading the book from the viewpoint of the intent in which he wrote it. Its 'imports and insights' take on a whole new meaning.

I actually started writing one of my many unfinished SciFi novels based in part on that. Future President (referred to by Secret Service Code Name as The Prince just to drop the hint even more) acting exactly like what Machiavelli wrote about but with modern technology and media. It was mostly in part, based on Obama.

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Because I find the entire premise of the troll in it preposterous.


Also, you are aware that in The Discourses on the Ten Books of Titus Livy, Machiavelli pretty much lays out exactly that The Prince was written. Although 'Trolling' is obviously a modern term, it is as close to a term as you would find for his own description. There is a good quote I need to dig up by him that sums up why he did it. It was along the lines of: Please follow this so you can wallow in your own destruction.
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What concerns me is the nagging suspicion that Trump, in exchange for the huge Saudi financial commitments,  is quietly assuring the Saudis that he will assist them in propping up crude prices.  How could take many forms:  some good like dropping support of renewables, some bad like undermining domestic oil.

Is he doing it?  Likely not, but the Saudis must be getting something more out of these huge financial commitments.
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