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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #100 on: May 17, 2017, 01:08:32 pm »


The power of incumbency.    This is why we need term limits.   Once in the system,  it's too difficult to pry them out again.   


The nation would be better served by "churn."
Yep. Primary challengers have to defeat the whole machine. The alternative is to vote Democrat and take a chance that's not going to cost the farm, just to clear the way for a fresh GOP face next time. Then the Dem is running as an incumbent.
Seems the 'reports from the Capitol' always pick up come election time: 'soft' campaigning on our dime.
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #101 on: May 17, 2017, 01:15:46 pm »
Trump is, sad to say, an amateur who is being ground into dust by the professionals.   




He is an expert in this "Politics"  business,  but he is massively outnumbered by the oppositions army of propagandists and their trillion dollar broadcasting infrastructure.   


With so many people arrayed against him,  it is difficult for anyone,  no matter how good they are at politics,   (and Trump is actually D@mn good at this business)   to maintain an upper hand.   



The business of politics and the media's coverage of it requires adherence to an accepted protocol of behavior, and Trump's defying it and the pros are lowering the boom on him.   



They are doing what they do,  but with greater anger and therefore greater vigor.    They *hate*  Trump because he wrested Victory from their jaws,   and now they are using any means of which they can think to paralyze and attack him.   


Trump's tendency to shoot from the hip is not the central problem here.   The primary problem is the fact that virtually every avenue by which the American Public can get "News"  is controlled by Hyper-Partisan Democrats with an agenda to destroy their political opposition.   




Trump has to appeal to the people.   He is being confronted by a slow-motion coup,  and he has to simultaneously be Presidential and attack the motivations of his adversaries.   He needs to fight this civil war, for that is what this is, or step aside.


That part is all correct except for the "step aside"  part.    That is the worst thing he can do.   He needs to make it clear to his opponents that he will fight them till the bitter end,  and he will not resign no matter what they do.   


Any hint otherwise will convince them that they just need to apply more pressure. 


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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #102 on: May 17, 2017, 01:24:24 pm »
Yep. Primary challengers have to defeat the whole machine. The alternative is to vote Democrat and take a chance that's not going to cost the farm, just to clear the way for a fresh GOP face next time. Then the Dem is running as an incumbent.
Seems the 'reports from the Capitol' always pick up come election time: 'soft' campaigning on our dime.


The problem is systemic.   Therefore the only solution is to modify the system so as to alleviate the problem. 


Term Limits. 

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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #103 on: May 17, 2017, 01:29:00 pm »

That part is all correct except for the "step aside"  part.    That is the worst thing he can do.   He needs to make it clear to his opponents that he will fight them till the bitter end,  and he will not resign no matter what they do.   


Any hint otherwise will convince them that they just need to apply more pressure.

I said "or step aside".   If he won't engage in this civil war,  then he should step aside.   The people elected President Trump, and it is they, and they alone, who should decide when his time is up.    This is the most obnoxious spectacle of privileged elites seeking to overturn the results of a democratic election.   Trump must appeal to the people - this is THEIR DEMOCRACY, THEIR REPUBLIC that is being usurped.     
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #104 on: May 17, 2017, 01:31:12 pm »

The problem is systemic.   Therefore the only solution is to modify the system so as to alleviate the problem. 


Term Limits.
Term limits will cause turnover in the ranks, but I'm not sure that won't just encourage them to loot harder because their days are numbered.
Without infiltrating the parties and displacing the party apparatus from inside, the same sorts of people will be running for the same jobs and getting the support of the Party. It is the 'kingmakers' who are the problem, not the ones they promote who are beholden to them in the end.
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #105 on: May 17, 2017, 01:54:12 pm »

This crap would come to an end...lickity split.

It's a good GD thing Cankles isn't in the Oval Office.   

The 2nd Amendment would be history right now.



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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #106 on: May 17, 2017, 01:59:59 pm »

 :wtf!:
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #108 on: May 17, 2017, 02:02:34 pm »
:wtf!:

Look around!   What's that sound?   WTF...look what's goin' on!    :laugh:
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #109 on: May 17, 2017, 02:07:11 pm »
It's a civil war, folks. 
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #110 on: May 17, 2017, 02:09:43 pm »
It's a civil war, folks.

Nope, it's not.

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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #111 on: May 17, 2017, 02:12:11 pm »

This crap would should come to an end...lickity split.

It's a good GD thing Cankles isn't in the Oval Office.   

The 2nd Amendment would be history right now.

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Hello ... reality check here.  It is no secret that the DEMS and the RINO's stated on more than one occasion that they were going to try to destroy Trump; this was before he was even given the nomination and that threat continued after Hillary lost.  Almost immediately after Hillary lost the rumors of Russian hacking began, then the accusations of collusion began.  The subject of Flynn has now resurfaced, the story of  Comey's firing has gotten larger, Israel is now angry with Trump, etc., etc.,  story, after story after story.  How long will the DEMS's make their Pinocchio's noses grow? 

Trump has tried to implement a ban on people entering this country from areas of known terrorism, he's tried to implement building a wall, he's tried to work on Bammycare ... ALL met with RINO or liberal obstruction.

Perhaps none of this is true, perhaps some of this is true, or perhaps all of this is true.  I do know that I don't trust the MSM, DEMS or RINO's.

We have a conservative justice. The 2nd amendment is still in tact. We have a President who seems to be trying to take this country in the opposite direction that Bammy had it heading. 

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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #112 on: May 17, 2017, 02:16:13 pm »
So to celebrate the second amendment being intact, you applaud a call to take the first amendment out back and shoot it.

Smooth.
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #113 on: May 17, 2017, 02:17:20 pm »
So to celebrate the second amendment being intact, you applaud a call to take the first amendment out back and shoot it.

Smooth.

That's about it.

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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #114 on: May 17, 2017, 02:18:20 pm »
It's past time to emulate the Islamic Jihadists....

So @mystery-ak , you approve of your esteemed member saying stuff like this?

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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #115 on: May 17, 2017, 02:19:59 pm »
I am very late to this party but I find this to be nothing more than just another politico hit job.  Trying to influence opinions instead of reporting news.

Well... in the immortal words of Gaffemaster Joe..... better gird your loins for one lonnnng next three and a half years.  Cause they plan to keep this BS up for that entire time.  They really, really are pissed that they lost last November.  It shows.

Remember how sick and tired we got of their "Mission Accomplished" and "Heckuva job, Brownie" memes?   We've only just begun.....

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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #116 on: May 17, 2017, 02:23:57 pm »
So @mystery-ak , you approve of your esteemed member saying stuff like this?

No..I don't approve of that statement...what do you want me to do ban him over it?
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #117 on: May 17, 2017, 02:26:33 pm »
No..I don't approve of that statement...what do you want me to do ban him over it?

We'll see if the comment stays won't we?

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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #118 on: May 17, 2017, 02:26:41 pm »
So to celebrate the second amendment being intact, you applaud a call to take the first amendment out back and shoot it.

Smooth.

Really?  Slick. I would never applaud dismantling the Constitution, nor did I say anything to that affect. You did. Reality is the 2nd Amendment is the amendment upon which all our other rights/amendments hang; without it, we will have none.
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #119 on: May 17, 2017, 02:30:00 pm »
No..I don't approve of that statement...what do you want me to do ban him over it?

Looks to me like a call for horrible violence (beheadings, etc.). Your choice.  :shrug:

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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #120 on: May 17, 2017, 02:31:44 pm »
Really?  Slick. I would never applaud dismantling the Constitution, nor did I say anything to that affect. You did. Reality is the 2nd Amendment is the amendment upon which all our other rights/amendments hang; without it, we will have none.

Then I suggest you cut "It's past time to emulate the Islamic Jihadists....against the corporate media boardrooms and editors.
" from the quote you gave a  :beer: 888high58888 to. People will mistake your intentions, otherwise.
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #121 on: May 17, 2017, 02:31:50 pm »
Well I do think DC should remove it on his own.
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #122 on: May 17, 2017, 02:56:14 pm »
I'll "dump Trump" when he's given me reason to dump him by my standards, not by the comically-unfair standards of #NeverTrump.
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #123 on: May 17, 2017, 03:05:20 pm »
Good to see everyone getting along for a change. It has been tiresome lately that every thread breaks out in a nasty fight.

This thread is just tangible proof that we all can just along sometimes without the bitterness and anger. I hope this keeps up.

You just had to say something, didn't you.   Just like Jeff Probst calling out how good someone is doing in a competition.... right before they screw up.... because he called it out.  lolol
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #124 on: May 17, 2017, 03:11:15 pm »
It's a civil war, folks.

No it's not.

It's prepping the ground for our unique version of Robespierre's Terror.
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