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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #75 on: May 17, 2017, 04:33:17 am »
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #76 on: May 17, 2017, 04:34:52 am »
So do I @RoosGirl ... so please don't continue to think you own that.  And, if I need to go ahead and help America without you, I will continue to do so.  Count on it.

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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #77 on: May 17, 2017, 04:37:22 am »
Folks like INVAR and roamer are worthless politically.

Given where this culture now sits, that is probably the one and only statement I will ever agree with you on.

Because politically - our views and mindsets are irrelevant.  So rejoice - you win.

They may as well be in league with those seeking to upend the election.

And people wonder why I am always referencing 1790's France for what our near-term future will look like.
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #78 on: May 17, 2017, 04:47:25 am »
And people wonder why I am always referencing 1790's France for what our near-term future will look like.

It is a caution.

In the same breath of time, two things were lifted up before the eyes of Man.

One, the French declaration of the Rights of Men.
The other, the United States Declaration of Independence.

I wonder which most Americans would be more comfortable with today?

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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #79 on: May 17, 2017, 05:13:09 am »
This may sound like hyperbole, but we are now openly at war with the Left. They are seeking to override a fair and constitutional election because they did not like the outcome. They are using tactics from street brawling, general rioting, disruption of political rallies, radicalization of students on college campuses, and the domination of the 4th estate for purposes of propaganda and disinformation.  They are willing to sacrifice the constitution, democracy, and all of the established rules of our civil society in pursuit of seizing back power. Its a familiar determination, one that cost 100's of millions of lives in the 20th century, but it is rearing in its head now right in front of us...threatening the very fabric of the United States.

If conservatives and Republicans cannot rally together now, we are going to lose this fight and this country...and we will not win it back in our lifetimes. Remember, tyranny and oppression arise from the Left and are shrouded in self-attributed good intentions married to self delusion. We are approaching that moment where the country is going to take a paradigm shift in one direction or another...we will move sharply Left, or we will fight back this tide and hold to the constitution.

I'm not prone to apocalyptic political predictions and find myself almost stunned by the situation we are crashing into...we must oppose this with every non-violent means at our disposal. And I'll be honest, I'm not optimistic that we can unify sufficiently to beat a Left that is now moving in almost complete concert.
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Conservatives really would be happy to have the GOP join us.
But instead of embracing conservatism, the GOP is fighting a two front war.
Against the Far Left and against the very Conservatives Fox News has enabled them to label as "extremists" even as Fox (in the middle, and never claimed to be otherwise) was labelled "Right Wing".

The reason we are here is that the Left embraced their "extremists" because that was where they wanted to be anyway. That gave the Left a lot of room to claim the middle ground.
 
The GOP kicked Conservatives under the bus and called them "Extremists" and had nothing to balance the right side of the political spectrum. As a result, every move to the "middle" was a move to the left. Every compromise was a step closer to communism rather than a step back toward Constitutional government. In my lifetime, I have watched the GOP fade into the distance and stood my ground. I didn't leave them so much as they left me.
 
The GOP has become socialism lite, and the power players in the GOP really want the same power the Left does--and not to restore it to the people, with rare exception.
 
If the GOP fails to embrace conservatism, and doesn't quit moving left, the battle cannot be 'won'. Becoming one with the enemy may win elections, but it does not 'win' the conflict. It only puts a different letter behind the enemies of the Republic.
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #80 on: May 17, 2017, 05:18:47 am »
It is a caution.

In the same breath of time, two things were lifted up before the eyes of Man.

One, the French declaration of the Rights of Men.
The other, the United States Declaration of Independence.

I wonder which most Americans would be more comfortable with today?

That answer is made manifest each and every day, sometimes right here on this board.

DeToqueville spent a lot of time here in the States trying to figure out how liberty managed to flourish in our society while his devolved into a bloodbath and dictatorship.

His answer is enlightening to those who understood his summations, and now soundly discarded by those who prefer what liberties come from Natural Law sans any Creator and Divine Author of that Law.
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #81 on: May 17, 2017, 05:41:08 am »
That answer is made manifest each and every day, sometimes right here on this board.

DeToqueville spent a lot of time here in the States trying to figure out how liberty managed to flourish in our society while his devolved into a bloodbath and dictatorship.

His answer is enlightening to those who understood his summations, and now soundly discarded by those who prefer what liberties come from Natural Law sans any Creator and Divine Author of that Law.

That's right. liberty comes with responsibilities from it's Author. And that Author is exactly what is missing from the French Rights of Man.

“I sought for the greatness and genius of America in her commodious harbors and her ample rivers – and it was not there . . . in her fertile fields and boundless forests and it was not there . . . in her rich mines and her vast world commerce – and it was not there . . . in her democratic Congress and her matchless Constitution – and it was not there. Not until I went into the churches of America and heard her pulpits aflame with righteousness did I understand the secret of her genius and power. America is great because she is good, and if America ever ceases to be good, she will cease to be great.”
― Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America

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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #82 on: May 17, 2017, 05:46:23 am »
@INVAR

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I agree!
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #83 on: May 17, 2017, 05:51:19 am »
I agree!

He's a smart guy.

And yeah, there are times when we disagree (vigorously, shall we say?  :tongue2: ) but that don't matter. When he talks, I listen and think.
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #84 on: May 17, 2017, 05:54:50 am »
Really?

Then why is there a Republican majority in the House, the Senate, and in the Governorships of the country?

And, by the way, the presidency.

You whiners are getting on my last nerve.  I'm outta here.
Gee, maybe you are right. The liberals are winning.
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #85 on: May 17, 2017, 06:05:12 am »
When Will Republicans Dump Trump?


Iowa. That's when I'd seen enough.

My concerns from then have proven justified.
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #86 on: May 17, 2017, 07:47:54 am »
I'm not prone to apocalyptic political predictions and find myself almost stunned by the situation we are crashing into...we must oppose this with every non-violent means at our disposal. And I'll be honest, I'm not optimistic that we can unify sufficiently to beat a Left that is now moving in almost complete concert.

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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #87 on: May 17, 2017, 09:51:31 am »
I don't need to scrape Trump off my shoe. I avoided stepping in that steaming pile in the first place.

OR other words have to "Take a Trump"
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #88 on: May 17, 2017, 09:56:14 am »
Given where this culture now sits, that is probably the one and only statement I will ever agree with you on.

Because politically - our views and mindsets are irrelevant.  So rejoice - you win.

And people wonder why I am always referencing 1790's France for what our near-term future will look like.

@INVAR and @roamer_1 I'd take it as a compliment when a Liberal calls you politically worthless. 
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #89 on: May 17, 2017, 09:57:12 am »
Iowa. That's when I'd seen enough.

My concerns from then have proven justified.

Same here.
The libs/dems of today are the Quislings of former years. The cowards who would vote a fraud into office in exchange for handouts from the devil.

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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #90 on: May 17, 2017, 11:19:19 am »
And, if I need to go ahead and help America without you, I will continue to do so.  Count on it.
If you think posting fawning propaganda and belittling those who don't fall for it is helping America, well, let's just say you're wrong.
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #91 on: May 17, 2017, 11:26:20 am »
If you think posting fawning propaganda and belittling those who don't fall for it is helping America, well, let's just say you're wrong.
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #92 on: May 17, 2017, 11:33:50 am »
If you think posting fawning propaganda and belittling those who don't fall for it is helping America, well, let's just say you're wrong.
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #93 on: May 17, 2017, 11:39:53 am »
I am very late to this party but I find this to be nothing more than just another politico hit job.  Trying to influence opinions instead of reporting news.
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #94 on: May 17, 2017, 12:11:09 pm »
Right... Government run health care is real "conservative"... Nowhere in the constitution is there authorization of the federal government running health insurance. Zip. Where in the constitution is the allowance of the executive branch to pick which laws it is going to enforce? Like looking the other way for the "good" illegal aliens but getting rid of the "bad" ones? The list is long of such things. It is lawless.

And how many conservatives here on this site give a crap what consenting adults do in their homes? Not many. Your "fundamentalism" claims are false. The actual conservatives on this site are for smaller government and liberty.

I'm still trying to figure out why we are debating an article written by Politico as if it's worthy of discussion
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #95 on: May 17, 2017, 12:20:47 pm »
I'm still trying to figure out why we are debating an article written by Politico as if it's worthy of discussion
We peel the layers back, wherever its from. If we don't address what the opposition is saying, who will?
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #96 on: May 17, 2017, 12:53:46 pm »
We peel the layers back, wherever its from. If we don't address what the opposition is saying, who will?

Good point

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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #97 on: May 17, 2017, 12:58:58 pm »
We peel the layers back, wherever its from. If we don't address what the opposition is saying, who will?

One of the main reasons I left TOS was the little army of media minders who thought they could dictate to everyone else what they should read. Its the kind of thing that went on in Saddam Hussein's Iraq and goes on today in NK and Cuba.

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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #98 on: May 17, 2017, 01:03:07 pm »
Amen to that.  It's also a bad move for them not to support him, at least publicly.  You named four people we should dump.... there are more..  How do they keep getting elected???



The power of incumbency.    This is why we need term limits.   Once in the system,  it's too difficult to pry them out again.   


The nation would be better served by "churn."   




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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #99 on: May 17, 2017, 01:06:41 pm »
"We" nothing.

The GOP is not in open warfare with the Left, they are too busy placating and accommodating them and adopting the Left's Agenda as their own with a few modifications.  The Left is certainly 'at war' with everyone they perceive to be in opposition to them.  The 'Right'?  Not so much.



The Atl-Right has been using the term "Cuckservatives."     




 We are already too divided among core issues and values to pose any kind of unified opposition and the majority of the population will side with the Left rather than those who want smaller government.



 P.J. O'Rourke covered this pretty well a couple of decades ago.

https://www.facebook.com/OfficialPJORourke/posts/479001612131859
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