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Offline rodamala

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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #50 on: May 17, 2017, 03:42:04 am »
When will Conservatives dump the Republican Party is my question.

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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #51 on: May 17, 2017, 03:42:59 am »
"We" nothing.

The GOP is not in open warfare with the Left, they are too busy placating and accommodating them and adopting the Left's Agenda as their own with a few modifications. 

That's right.
I will say it yet again sommore:

Liberalism cannot win by merit. It has no merit.
It is winning because it has no opposition.

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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #52 on: May 17, 2017, 03:44:27 am »
@INVAR

Thank you, INVAR, for this well thought out post and taking the time to write it.  I copied your words to post them again and here they are:

"The GOP is not in open warfare with the Left, they are too busy placating and accommodating them and adopting the Left's Agenda as their own with a few modifications.  The Left is certainly 'at war' with everyone they perceive to be in opposition to them.  The 'Right'?  Not so much.

We've been warning of that path we have been treading for years to wholesale dismissal from everyone who insisted that could never happen here and/or our salvation rests on political saviors.  We will live that which we have chosen to be ignorant of.

You are witness to the fact illustrated on this very board that sharing a commonality is rarely if ever possible.  We cannot even agree on what the core moral foundations are supposed to be, much less the definition of liberty as intended.  Hell, we cannot even define marriage, or what constitutes a standard family anymore. 

It will take a biblically religious revival, of which the majority of churches in this nation are not even interested in, and a majority population who view the bible with hostility, want nothing to do with.

So too does Nationalist Populism that has no problem with big government.  Socialism simply by another name.

We are ALREADY sharply Left.  Even among the GOP and the 'Moderates' - the Constitution is referenced only when it serves their larger political agenda and have no more use for it's strict adherence anymore than the Democrats do.   Populists for Trump have previously stated their opinion is that he needs to act as a dictator.   As to fighting back - well, France in the early-to-mid 1790's is most likely what will result, especially when the economic consequences already sown come crashing down on us.

We are already too divided among core issues and values to pose any kind of unified opposition and the majority of the population will side with the Left rather than those who want smaller government."

Truth.

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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #53 on: May 17, 2017, 03:45:03 am »
Why do you haters always take everything personally?

Emjay, you are the one that made it personal with the very first reply to me. Remember this: "Aren't you just the little ray of sunshine today."

You repeatedly insult others calling them names, often "haters" and then claim the high ground when they respond in kind...

Go look in a mirror - please.

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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #54 on: May 17, 2017, 03:46:35 am »
That's right.
I will say it yet again sommore:

Liberalism cannot win by merit. It has no merit.
It is winning because it has no opposition.

Really?

Then why is there a Republican majority in the House, the Senate, and in the Governorships of the country?

And, by the way, the presidency.

You whiners are getting on my last nerve.  I'm outta here.
Against stupidity, the Gods themselves contend in vain.

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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #55 on: May 17, 2017, 03:48:50 am »
Really?

Then why is there a Republican majority in the House, the Senate, and in the Governorships of the country?

And, by the way, the presidency.

You whiners are getting on my last nerve.  I'm outta here.

A Republican Congress and President certainly have nothing to do with Conservatism in the year 2017.

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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #56 on: May 17, 2017, 03:49:54 am »
Really?

Then why is there a Republican majority in the House, the Senate, and in the Governorships of the country?

And, by the way, the presidency.

You whiners are getting on my last nerve.  I'm outta here.

Please don't go for long .... @Emjay... you're a voice of reason and hope.

You are needed.   :beer:

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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #57 on: May 17, 2017, 03:54:31 am »
A Republican Congress and President certainly have nothing to do with Conservatism in the year 2017.

You need to understand that the vast majority of voters say the current version of Conservatism has nothing to do with the year 2017.

Your heart's in the right place @RoosGirl .... but your vision is still looking in the rear view mirror toward 1980.

I do pray you turn around and see where you actually are.   American could use your help. 


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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #58 on: May 17, 2017, 03:56:09 am »
The post by Invar is the very definition of why we are losing this war with the Left. He'd rather disparage Republicans and Conservatives that he finds "impure",

@INVAR  is right. It is the 'impure' that must move.

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than actually come together and fight the Left.

Behind what banner? What principle things do we stand upon together, you and I?
In what do we find agreement?
There will be no 'coming together'. because what had once brought us together is all but gone.

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He wants to kill the apostate whilst the barbarian horde bursts through the city gates to kill everyone. Many of us here may not meet your purity test, Invar, but by any classical definition we are every bit the conservative you deem yourself...in many senses, moreso.

Better the barbarian horde outside the gate than the traitor within.
better the army that stands before us, banners flying, than the ones who whisper and plot to let them in. and stab us in our beds at night.

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And while our disagreements with you are as principle based and adamant as your own

That has been entirely beyond my witness. I cannot recall you standing for a single principled thing at all. You have expounded on pragmatism, and compromise... and liberalism of a kinder lesser sort.
That is not principle. It is lukewarm pap.

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but you've let doctrinal fanaticism lead you into behavior that assures the Left will win this battle for the future.

Quite the other way around.
It is doctrinal fanaticism that wins.
Whether it is ours, or the liberals, or the Muslims is for you and yours to decide.

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I sincerely and honestly beseech you to aim your fire outside the walls, rather than at the soldiers next to you who you deem imperfect.

a liberal is a liberal, inside the wall or out.

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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #59 on: May 17, 2017, 03:58:25 am »
@INVAR

I follow your posts and urge you to write more as they are well received by thinking people on this forum.  888high58888

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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #60 on: May 17, 2017, 04:02:55 am »
The post by Invar is the very definition of why we are losing this war with the Left.

That is hilarious considering I agreed with much of what you opined you were worried about.  I just stated the fact of where we have already arrived in terms of a culture versus where you hoped we have not actually come to yet.

He'd rather disparage Republicans and Conservatives that he finds "impure", than actually come together and fight the Left.

Aaaaaand here is the *trick* you folks employ - 'coming together to fight the Left' means we must surrender principles and faith in order to unite on secular or non-principled issues that are divorced from the abject core of what it means to be a Conservative in terms of mindset and lifestyle.  Given cultural and social issues that you share in common with the Leftists you are advocating we *fight* (i.e.: homosexual marriage/biblical heritage etc.), you expect us to abandon our principles to stand together with you over issues whose root causes you people ignore wholesale or have dismissed.  In short, we have little in common to stand together with you on in terms of principles, which you yourself have done a fine job, lo these many months of disparaging.

He wants to kill the apostate whilst the barbarian horde bursts through the city gates to kill everyone.

First of all perhaps you would be so kind as to share with the board where I have advocated the killing of anyone.  Secondly -  the hordes of those whom you assert are going to burst through city gates and kill everyone, you have been warned about for decades - but have been ignored.  The blood will be on your own heads - the warnings have gone out long ago and were dismissed.

Many of us here may not meet your purity test, Invar, but by any classical definition we are every bit the conservative you deem yourself...in many senses, moreso...
I sincerely and honestly beseech you to aim your fire outside the walls, rather than at the soldiers next to you who you deem imperfect.

I do not stand with the likes of you. I'm not in your army.  I'm here to witness the truth - and that's it.  You have already demonstrated that standing with you is not an option because calling me out as an enemy in your ranks and ascribing me as a murderer among other things has been a very practiced art by folks like yourself.

People like you have gone to war and stabbed Christian Conservatives in the back while we slept in your camp after returning year after year and decade after decade of continuous abuse from the party and people pretending to be our leaders.  Whether your own lone wolf crusade against biblical Adherents warning about social issues you stand with the Left with, or the death threats from neo-populists over political saviors who want nothing to do with core principles and everything to do with payback - there is no trust that we stand on any commonality and have been handed every reason to see the so-called "Right' as dangerous a threat to our individual liberties as the Left.
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #61 on: May 17, 2017, 04:03:09 am »
Really?

Then why is there a Republican majority in the House, the Senate, and in the Governorships of the country?

And, by the way, the presidency.

You whiners are getting on my last nerve.  I'm outta here.

Funny. With all that they can't repeal Obamacare which got zero Republican votes when it first passed. They can't get a wall funded to slow the invasion from the south. The can't stop funding Planned Parenthood. They can't reduce the tax burden on us. The list is long...

It is as if Republicans didn't control all those things you listed... This is what failure to lead looks like.

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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #62 on: May 17, 2017, 04:05:26 am »
Really?

Then why is there a Republican majority in the House, the Senate, and in the Governorships of the country?

And, by the way, the presidency.

You seem to think 'Republican' is the opposite of liberalism.
It is not.

Conservatism is. You know... the stuff us guys in 'Cuckooland' 'spew'.


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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #63 on: May 17, 2017, 04:08:32 am »
You need to understand that the vast majority of voters say the current version of Conservatism has nothing to do with the year 2017.

Might does not make right.

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American could use your help.

Yes it most certainly could. Which requires specifically that @RoosGirl  does not 'turn around'

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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #64 on: May 17, 2017, 04:12:02 am »
You need to understand that the vast majority of voters say the current version of Conservatism has nothing to do with the year 2017.

Your heart's in the right place @RoosGirl .... but your vision is still looking in the rear view mirror toward 1980.

I do pray you turn around and see where you actually are.   American could use your help.

I know the difference between right and wrong.  You go on ahead without me.

PS.  I was 5 when Reagan was elected.  1980 has no nostalgia for me as I was mostly too young to remember it.  But, I've never been the type to go along with the crowd because I figured out early on that for the most part the crowd was bunch of damned fools.  Like I said, you can go on without me.
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #65 on: May 17, 2017, 04:13:34 am »
I don't need to scrape Trump off my shoe. I avoided stepping in that steaming pile in the first place.

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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #66 on: May 17, 2017, 04:15:26 am »
I don't need to scrape Trump off my shoe. I avoided stepping in that steaming pile in the first place.

You have a brilliant turn of phrase today, CC...

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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #67 on: May 17, 2017, 04:17:25 am »
When Will Republicans Dump Trump?

I washed my hands of Trump long ago, sad thing is the actual election may prove to be the easiest part of Trump's reign. This idiot's aim seems so off that he shoots himself in the foot more than at his so called enemy. Now nobody can tell who his enemy really is, because the budget he signed gave the democrats everything they basically wanted and fulfilled little to nothing of his campaign pledges. I don't think The Big Don had a moral compass to direct him beyond getting elected. His days in office seem like a fish just pulled out of the water left on the bank to flop around. It is actually embarrassing to watch.

Now things are crumbling the usually people pop up to scream for the rest of us to support this 5th grade stammering buffoon. This is your idiot, you deal with him.
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #68 on: May 17, 2017, 04:19:01 am »
says the resident liberal  I would rather have folks like @roamer_1  and @INVAR in the trenches with me. I know where they stand.

Right back atcha @Mom MD !

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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #69 on: May 17, 2017, 04:20:45 am »
Might does not make right.

Yes it most certainly could. Which requires specifically that @RoosGirl  does not 'turn around'

No worries.  I 100% know what my job is right now; teaching my 5 year old how to live in a world full of people who will compromise on anything.

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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #70 on: May 17, 2017, 04:20:56 am »
I washed my hands of Trump long ago, sad thing is the actual election may prove to be the easiest part of Trump's reign. This idiot's aim seems so off that he shoots himself in the foot more than at his so called enemy. Now nobody can tell who his enemy really is, because the budget he signed gave the democrats everything they basically wanted and fulfilled little to nothing of his campaign pledges. I don't think The Big Don had a moral compass to direct him beyond getting elected. His days in office seem like a fish just pulled out of the water left on the bank to flop around. It is actually embarrassing to watch.

Now things are crumbling the usually people pop up to scream for the rest of us to support this 5th grade stammering buffoon. This is your idiot, you deal with him.

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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #71 on: May 17, 2017, 04:23:00 am »
No worries.  I 100% know what my job is right now; teaching my 5 year old how to live in a world full of people who will compromise on anything.

Thank you for that. There isn't a more important thing to do on this planet.
And I'd never doubt you for a second.
You'll do it right...

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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #72 on: May 17, 2017, 04:27:26 am »
Good to see everyone getting along for a change. It has been tiresome lately that every thread breaks out in a nasty fight.

This thread is just tangible proof that we all can just along sometimes without the bitterness and anger. I hope this keeps up.

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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #73 on: May 17, 2017, 04:29:04 am »
When will Conservatives dump the Republican Party is my question.

#NeverRepublican

This one already has all the way back in 2007. Duncan Hunter was the last straw. When he stepped out of the race, I stepped out of the party. Done.

Republicans resemble Democrats more than Conservatives. It's getting to where, except for a very few of them, you can't tell them apart from the liberals.

It is sickening.

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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #74 on: May 17, 2017, 04:29:58 am »
I know the difference between right and wrong.  You go on ahead without me. 

So do I @RoosGirl ... so please don't continue to think you own that.  And, if I need to go ahead and help America without you, I will continue to do so.  Count on it.

Be well. :seeya: