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So apparently United airlines has hired a new spokesman.

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So apparently United airlines has hired a news spokesman.



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Wouldn't surprise me.
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I'd venture that since this has already been a PR disaster for UA, I'd guess this guy will get a pretty decent "out of court" undisclosed settlement.  If you are a lawyer, what do you think?  About $250-$500K? That'd be my guess.

I don't believe this was actually United, but a regional airline.  And depending on who did the removal, they might not even be liable at all.  But zero chance I go beyond five figures.  Maybe $20k if you really push it.  You have to be very conscious of the possibility of people causing problems in the hope of cashing in.  You want people, in the future, to comply when ordered to leave.

Legally, the only issue is going to be the manner in which he was removed.  The right to remove him - by force if necessary - would be something a judge would instruct a jury that they must take as fact.  If it even got to a jury with respect the the airline.

At the outset, I'd offer medical bills, an equal amount in pain/suffering.  But I'd really have to see some serious risk of real liability before getting even into five figures.


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I don't believe this was actually United, but a regional airline.  And depending on who did the removal, they might not even be liable at all.  But zero chance I go beyond five figures.  Maybe $20k if you really push it.  You have to be very conscious of the possibility of people causing problems in the hope of cashing in.  You want people, in the future, to comply when ordered to leave.

Legally, the only issue is going to be the manner in which he was removed.  The right to remove him - by force if necessary - would be something a judge would instruct a jury that they must take as fact.  If it even got to a jury with respect the the airline.

At the outset, I'd offer medical bills, an equal amount in pain/suffering.  But I'd really have to see some serious risk of real liability before getting even into five figures.

The guy was a Dr.  How about harm to his practice, abilities, etc.  Good points, but I am still feeling a quiet low 6 figure settlement.

Time to call.....

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The guy was a Dr.  How about harm to his practice, abilities, etc. 

He might be able to argue more in damages, but he's going to have a really hard time getting around the issue of why he didn't choose to leave voluntary when required, by law, to do so.

Again, without knowing all the facts regarding the removal and liability, it's ballparking.  But you cannot create an incentive for people to emulate him.

Also, i imagine he's not the first person to be removed by force from a plane - for whatever reason - and probably not the first one to be injured.  There may well be case law saying he is screwed from the start.


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I haven't been on a big jet since 1984.
I don't anticipate getting on one again.

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Idaho wrote:
" If memory serves 79mph is the absolute limit for road crossing; go faster than that and the train will be in the crossing before the arms come down."

Nope. That ain't it.

The "79mph limit" has to do with cab signals, not grade crossings. Many years ago, the FRA (might have been the ICC back then) stipulated that in order to run 80mph or faster, the rail line in question had to have some kind of functioning cab signal system. So, not wanting to spend lots and LOTS of money for such installations, the railroads simply lowered the maximum speed to 79mph (easy, eh?).

Back when I was a younger guy, I used to run Amtrak trains (hauled by an F-40 diesel) from New Haven to Boston on "the Shore Line" (former New Haven RR). Top speed between Kingston (RI) and Davisville was 100mph, with several grade crossings. A few didn't even have any type of crossing protection!

In the years since, Amtrak has removed most of the crossings. But a few remain in the New London (CT) area...

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Nothing will come of this. The airlines and airports have become a post apocalyptic nightmare after 911. Civility, common sense and rational behavior is gone and all that is left is thug govt' tactics like this.

You have a better shot at getting somewhere more comfortably and on time taking a Greyhound bus than taking a flight anymore.

I've flown Allegiant three times on business since last July. They're no frills, but I had no complaints. They handled
my bags properly, they were the essence of courtesy, and if they had a problem---which they did on my second
trip, they had to switch aircraft when the originally assigned MD-80 came up with cabin air issues---they came
right out and said what the problem was and how soon before a relief plane would come to the gate. (Which
proved about ten minutes max.)

I've flown quite often in my life, starting with a trip from New York to Virginia with my father when I was nine.
And I can't remember any flight I took in which the airline found itself overbooked. Maybe I was fortunate,
but perhaps the not-so-friendly-skies at United had someone asleep at the proverbial switch when the flight
in question was "overbooked" . . .


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Idaho wrote:
" If memory serves 79mph is the absolute limit for road crossing; go faster than that and the train will be in the crossing before the arms come down."

Nope. That ain't it.

The "79mph limit" has to do with cab signals, not grade crossings. Many years ago, the FRA (might have been the ICC back then) stipulated that in order to run 80mph or faster, the rail line in question had to have some kind of functioning cab signal system. So, not wanting to spend lots and LOTS of money for such installations, the railroads simply lowered the maximum speed to 79mph (easy, eh?).

Back when I was a younger guy, I used to run Amtrak trains (hauled by an F-40 diesel) from New Haven to Boston on "the Shore Line" (former New Haven RR). Top speed between Kingston (RI) and Davisville was 100mph, with several grade crossings. A few didn't even have any type of crossing protection!

In the years since, Amtrak has removed most of the crossings. But a few remain in the New London (CT) area...
Thanks for the correction. I had the right speed for the wrong reason.
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You have to have new tracks grade crossing the whole nine yards. If memory serves 79mph is the absolute limit for road crossing; go faster than that and the train will be in the crossing before the arms come down.
Do that on some loaded crude oil hauler pulling a pup and it's gonna get messy. Plenty of those in this neck of the woods.
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He might be able to argue more in damages, but he's going to have a really hard time getting around the issue of why he didn't choose to leave voluntary when required, by law, to do so.

Again, without knowing all the facts regarding the removal and liability, it's ballparking.  But you cannot create an incentive for people to emulate him.

Also, i imagine he's not the first person to be removed by force from a plane - for whatever reason - and probably not the first one to be injured.  There may well be case law saying he is screwed from the start.


Oh, loads of people have been removed from flights, for everything from hijacking attempts to attempted bombings to just plain wigging out.
That doesn't mean you send in the Sopranos to clear a seat for your employees. That crap should have been settled before the plane even boarded. Can't the desk people count?
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Oh, loads of people have been removed from flights, for everything from hijacking attempts to attempted bombings to just plain wigging out.
That doesn't mean you send in the Sopranos to clear a seat for your employees. That crap should have been settled before the plane even boarded. Can't the desk people count?

No they cant
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No they cant
COmputers and all that sh*t and they can't figure out how many seats on the plane are full? Maybe the TSA people can count naughty bits or something.

I am curious about one thing. Which line do the 'transgendered' get in to get patted down?

I think I'll just keep my shoes on and drive. Sad, too, i used to love to fly.
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I don't believe this was actually United, but a regional airline.  And depending on who did the removal, they might not even be liable at all.  But zero chance I go beyond five figures.  Maybe $20k if you really push it.  You have to be very conscious of the possibility of people causing problems in the hope of cashing in.  You want people, in the future, to comply when ordered to leave.

Legally, the only issue is going to be the manner in which he was removed.  The right to remove him - by force if necessary - would be something a judge would instruct a jury that they must take as fact.  If it even got to a jury with respect the the airline.

At the outset, I'd offer medical bills, an equal amount in pain/suffering.  But I'd really have to see some serious risk of real liability before getting even into five figures.

The CEO of United (not a regional airlines), Oscar Munoz, has apologized for the incident.

Also.... 

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The officer involved was placed on administrative leave effective Monday pending review of the situation, the department said.

Apparently, the airlines "right to bump" in the manner they chose is in question.  There goes your theory.....

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/united-ceo-apologizes-after-video-shows-man-dragged-off-flight/ar-BBzFbry?li=BBnb7Kz
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COmputers and all that sh*t and they can't figure out how many seats on the plane are full? Maybe the TSA people can count naughty bits or something.

I am curious about one thing. Which line do the 'transgendered' get in to get patted down?

I think I'll just keep my shoes on and drive. Sad, too, i used to love to fly.

The only part I loved was the takeoff.  Loved the speed and lift-off.  Never did like the landing part.   Considering the major hassle it has become, I can definitely do without it.
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COmputers and all that sh*t and they can't figure out how many seats on the plane are full? Maybe the TSA people can count naughty bits or something.

I am curious about one thing. Which line do the 'transgendered' get in to get patted down?

I think I'll just keep my shoes on and drive. Sad, too, i used to love to fly.

My sister's new Chevy Cruz tells her if she left a package in the backseat when she gets out. When we were sitting in the restaurant yesterday her car called to ask if she left it unlocked on purpose or would she like to lock now. Seems like the airlines could manage that kind of tech.

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Dem wants hearing after United passenger dragged off flight

 By Olivia Beavers - 04/10/17 07:02 PM EDT


Del. Eleanor Holmes Norton (D-D.C.), a senior member of the Transportation and Infrastructure Committee, is calling for a hearing the forceful removal of a United Airlines passenger from an overbooked flight.

“I deplore the violent removal of a passenger from a United Airlines flight this weekend,” Norton said in a statement Monday. “Airline passengers must have protections against such abusive treatment.

"I am asking our committee for a hearing, which will allow us to question airport police, United Airlines personnel, and airport officials, among others, about whether appropriate procedures were in place in Chicago and are in place across the United States when passengers are asked to leave a flight,” she continued.


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That guy's reaction was bizarre bordering on insanity. You could easily think that he was being carried off to his execution. People are expelled all the time for many reasons. It is not something so unusual.


I wonder what the real reason was for this passenger's extreme tantrum. There must something else to it which we do not know.
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COmputers and all that sh*t and they can't figure out how many seats on the plane are full? Maybe the TSA people can count naughty bits or something.

I am curious about one thing. Which line do the 'transgendered' get in to get patted down?

I think I'll just keep my shoes on and drive. Sad, too, i used to love to fly.
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Great...Just what Congress needs, more committees and more hearings. [yawn]


That guy's reaction was bizarre bordering on insanity. You could easily think that he was being carried off to his execution. People are expelled all the time for many reasons. It is not something so unusual.


I wonder what the real reason was for this passenger's extreme tantrum. There must something else to it which we do not know.

My thoughts exactly.  That guy freaked out way beyond proportion.
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So much flat out stupidity.

UA could  have rented a van or maybe even have chartered a small plane to get their people to Louisville for the comp they were offering.


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