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Citation: Abraham Lincoln: "Executive Order—Arrest and Imprisonment of Irresponsible Newspaper Reporters and Editors," May 18, 1864. Online by Gerhard Peters and John T. Woolley, The American Presidency Project.
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Are you advocating Trump does the same thing?

What's your point exactly?
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Are you advocating Trump does the same thing?

What's your point exactly?
I had no idea that this had happened and I pride myself on knowing our history.

A question: If it got to the point that 'fake' news was endangering the country and the safety of it's people .. what would you suggest be done?

Why do I suspect that some folks would say to lock up Trump if he was responsible for fake news but the Media has a Right to their version of fake news!

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Yeah,  some of us aren't such big fans of Lincoln.   But,  I guess the ends justified the means.

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I had no idea that this had happened and I pride myself on knowing our history.

"Fake News" is not endangering the country at the moment.

We are not in a shooting civil war with the enemy camped miles from the White House. We don't have berms and sandbag walls around DC and gunboats on the Potomac.

By the way, with Trump it's "opinions dictate facts". Facts are whatever his side feels they should be; "alternative facts". We have a President who rejects intelligence reports and substitutes what he thinks are the real facts in their place.

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Why do I suspect that some folks would say to lock up Trump if he was responsible for fake news but the Media has a Right to their version of fake news!

The media doesn't hold elective office and does not work for us.

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"Fake News" is not endangering the country at the moment.

We are not in a shooting civil war with the enemy camped miles from the White House. We don't have berms and sandbag walls around DC and gunboats on the Potomac.


It does not surprise me in the least that you have justifications for suspending the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

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I had no idea that this had happened and I pride myself on knowing our history.


I'll bet that if you surveyed the Texans on TBR, you would find that many if not most of us knew about Lincoln's overreach in more than one area.  Most Republicans just treat Lincoln as a saint--which explains why you had never heard about Lincoln jailing dissenters in the press.

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I had no idea that this had happened and I pride myself on knowing our history.
Lincoln was not a nice guy. For all his talk of preserving the union, he had almost no respect for Constitutional and human rights. His goal was to crush any and all rebellion, at all costs.
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Lincoln did this and much more. Imprisoned an entire state legislature, even threatened to arrest a USSC justice.


It was a time of insurrection so habeas corpus was suspended with an act of Congress.



Truth is the President with the complicity of Congress can do whatever he wants.


FDR threw people in jail for committing no other crime than being a certain ethnicity, last century.

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I'll bet that if you surveyed the Texans on TBR, you would find that many if not most of us knew about Lincoln's overreach in more than one area.  Most Republicans just treat Lincoln as a saint--which explains why you had never heard about Lincoln jailing dissenters in the press.

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 I didn't want to restart the refight of the war again,  but it is important we know our history.

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Lincoln was not a nice guy. For all his talk of preserving the union, he had almost no respect for Constitutional and human rights. His goal was to crush any and all rebellion, at all costs.

 :thumbsup2:

John Merryman comes to mind.

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I didn't want to restart the refight of the war again.....

Sure you did. Everyone knows you are still grinding an ax over the War of Northern Aggression.

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FDR threw people in jail for committing no other crime than being a certain ethnicity, last century.

They even tossed Koreans and Taiwanese in those camps and these were VICTIMS of Japanese aggression. They decided that since the Japanese occupied these lands, to treat them as if they were Japanese.

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I had no idea that this had happened and I pride myself on knowing our history.

A question: If it got to the point that 'fake' news was endangering the country and the safety of it's people .. what would you suggest be done?

Why do I suspect that some folks would say to lock up Trump if he was responsible for fake news but the Media has a Right to their version of fake news!

@mrclose

Why are we waiting?  I'm sure something can be drummed up so that an EO can be jotted down and we can get to work imprisoning journalists.  Let's go!

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Why are we waiting?  I'm sure something can be drummed up so that an EO can be jotted down and we can get to work imprisoning journalists.  Let's go!


Nowadays with Twitter and social media Trump would have to lock up half the country.


Everytime there is a riot or something happening live I go on Twitter, Twitch, and live streaming websites. Every single person with a smartphone is essentially a journalist. Oftentimes the live streams are better than what's on the news.


The cat is out of the bag. Trump or any would be tyrant (not that I think that's what Trump is, I don't) couldn't contain the media if he wanted to.

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Sure you did. Everyone knows you are still grinding an ax over the War of Northern Aggression.

A lot of us Texans are still grinding an ax.  The inarguable travesty of slavery aside, States' Rights are still a  bigger deal in Texas than in most states.  Many of us Republicans blame the Republican Party itself for much of the mess we are in.

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Nowadays with Twitter and social media Trump would have to lock up half the country.


Everytime there is a riot or something happening live I go on Twitter, Twitch, and live streaming websites. Every single person with a smartphone is essentially a journalist. Oftentimes the live streams are better than what's on the news.


The cat is out of the bag. Trump or any would be tyrant (not that I think that's what Trump is, I don't) couldn't contain the media if he wanted to.

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Or some of his supporters.

It's true, though...I get a lot of my news from Twitter.  It gets mocked a lot, but it's really just a good live source of what's happening at any moment. 

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Trump or any would be tyrant (not that I think that's what Trump is, I don't) couldn't contain the media if he wanted to.

In this country at any rate, it'd get real nasty real quick.

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They even tossed Koreans and Taiwanese in those camps and these were VICTIMS of Japanese aggression. They decided that since the Japanese occupied these lands, to treat them as if they were Japanese.
I'm curious about how many of those, there were? And your source?

Besides Japanese, we also interned also interned Germans and Italians.

We were in an all out war, started by Japan, Germany and Italy.
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Sure you did. Everyone knows you are still grinding an ax over the War of Northern Aggression.

Yes,  it keeps me up at night.

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I do find the media as being complicit in the invasion of our country by another turd world country!

California is already resettled!
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I do find the media as being complicit in the invasion of our country by another turd world country!

California is already resettled!


So you want Trump to start locking up journalists?


GOP would certainly turn on Trump who doesn't even have that high of an approval rating.


Impeachment, conviction, Trump (and his business empire) likely ruined for life.


Ain't happening.
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Yes,  it keeps me up at night.
Might I suggest you use a wet stone then, it's much quieter than the grinding wheel.

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Nowadays with Twitter and social media Trump would have to lock up half the country.


Everytime there is a riot or something happening live I go on Twitter, Twitch, and live streaming websites. Every single person with a smartphone is essentially a journalist. Oftentimes the live streams are better than what's on the news.


The cat is out of the bag. Trump or any would be tyrant (not that I think that's what Trump is, I don't) couldn't contain the media if he wanted to.

You should see some of the crap his supporters pimp on twitter. There are some scary stupid people out there.

One was pushing a twitter poll asking if Trump should arrest and replace governors who disobey Trump immigration orders. Several thousand votes and 98% yes.  That was several thousand people too stupid to vote in a real election.