Author Topic: MCCAIN: SHOUTING ‘ALLAHU AKHBAR!’ SAME AS CHRISTIANS SHOUTING ‘THANK GOD!’  (Read 3806 times)

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Offline The_Reader_David

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  Allah does not equate to "God", . . .

Looks like it's time for some basic Arabic lessons around here.

If one is speaking Arabic, Allah -- an elision of Al Illah, meaning literally "the god" -- is what any monotheist, Christian, Muslim or Jew, calls the one existing deity.  The definite article elided with the general word for a god has the same force in Arabic as capitalizing god to yield God does in English.  In Greek the same applies 'o theos, "the god" means the same as the English God.  For instance the first phrase of the Orthodox Christian Trisagion prayers, in English "Holy God, Holy Mighty, Holy Immortal have mercy on us!" in Greek " 'Agios 'o Theos, 'Agios ischyros, 'Agios athanatos, eleison imas!", runs in Arabic "Quddūsun Allāh, Quddūsun al-qawī, Quddūsun alladhī lā yamūt urḥamnā."

It is perfectly sound to translate "Allahu Akbar" from Arabic to English as "God is greater". 

However, only Muslims will refer to God (as misconceived in their theology) as "Allah" when speaking languages other than Arabic (or Malay, where the Arabic word was adopted), following Mohammed's vain conceit that the Arabic word for God is the proper name of the one existing deity.  A Christian who is bilingual Arabic-English will say "Allah" in Arabic and "God" in English, a bilingual Muslim will say "Allah" in both.

Of course McCain is being a complete fool here -- the phrase "Allahu Akbar" is a war cry, its first use being by Mohammed's troops at the Battle of Badr in 624.  The nearest parallel I can think of for the phrase "Thank God" would be the line in the Agincourt Carol, "Deo gratias Anglia redde pro victoria!"
And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know what this was all about.

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Buddhists, Hindus, Jews and Shikhs probably, with all of these faiths, there is relatively good will.  This whole scenario is different but it is a big problem with ideology.

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Poor John...Slowly sinking into the abyss that is senility.

IMHO he's already sunk.  He is the epitome of the scum in the swamp in DC that needs to be drained.
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IMHO he's already sunk.  He is the epitome of the scum in the swamp in DC that needs to be drained.



Agree, bigly!
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So definitions such as this are patently wrong?

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Allahu Akbar (ˈæləˌhu ˈakˌbaː)
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(Islam) Islam an exclamation used in the call to prayer and also used as a call to the defence of Muslims, an expression of approval, and a funeral litany
[from Arabic, literally: God is most great]
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/ALLAHU+AKBAR

Okay, to say "call to the defence of Muslims" is politically correct language, as not to offend, as not to call to mind Jihad.

But the other points of the definition, "a call to prayer" or "an expression of approval". Are these totally wrong?

McCain took a trip, I think it's a bit unfair to nail McCain so much on a story from a non-mainstream news site and continue to harp on MCain's misunderstanding.

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IMHO he's already sunk.  He is the epitome of the scum in the swamp in DC that needs to be drained.
Not as long as Arizona Democrats keep crossing over to vote for him.

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Way back..........McCain was the subject of a recall in Arizona.   It was quite successful...........and then 9/11 put an end to the recall.   Not the time for politics at that time.
Perhaps Arizona can try again...........

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Well, it is.

Except when Christians shout "Thank God" it is because someone is safe, or healed, or their life has improved.

When Muslims shout "Thank God" it is because their death cult has decapitated another unbeliever, or thrown another homo off a building, or they convinced another 10 year old girl to blow themselves up on a bus.

So he's not wrong - it just actually highlights the problem with Islam as a whole.

Exactly. - context is everything.  And in this context, it confirms their religious extremism by stating that "God wills" the murder of innocents.

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Exactly. - context is everything.  And in this context, it confirms their religious extremism by stating that "God wills" the murder of innocents.
Technically, that depends on the definition of "innocents".
To a Muslim one who leaves the faith is an apostate, and all others outside the faith are Infidels.
With that in hand, there are no "innocents", you are in or out.
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This is about as stupid as it gets...

Christians do not yell thank god as they are killing others just because they are not christians....

This man is way over the hill and his stupid is hanging out for all to see.

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This is about as stupid as it gets...

Christians do not yell thank god as they are killing others just because they are not christians....

This man is way over the hill and his stupid is hanging out for all to see.

So, this dictionary definition is patently wrong?

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Allahu Akbar (ˈæləˌhu ˈakˌbaː)
interj
(Islam) Islam an exclamation used in the call to prayer and also used as a call to the defence of Muslims, an expression of approval, and a funeral litany
[from Arabic, literally: God is most great]
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/ALLAHU+AKBAR


Okay, to say "call to the defence of Muslims" is politically correct language, as not to offend, as not to call to mind Jihad.

But the other points of the definition, "a call to prayer" or "an expression of approval". Are these totally wrong?

McCain took a trip, I think it's a bit unfair to nail McCain so much on a story from a non-mainstream news site and continue to harp on MCain's misunderstanding if he even said this.

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MCCAIN: SHOUTING ‘ALLAHU AKHBAR!’ SAME AS CHRISTIANS SHOUTING ‘THANK GOD!’
by Ben Shapiro, Breitbart  |  published on September 4, 2013

Read more at 1776 Coalition: http://www.1776coalition.com/featured-content/mccain-shouting-allahu-akhbar-same-as-christians-shouting-thank-god/#ixzz4UkSP4Dsr

It's fine to post this and it is also fine to remind ourselves, this article is 3 years old or more.

http://www.inquisitr.com/1326127/john-mccain-isis-photo/

As for McCain ever meeting with ISIS, there are certainly those who say it has been debunked.





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Put up or shut up time.  Link or slink...

"So, this dictionary definition is patently wrong?"

Show me, from modern times, where Christians are praising god in any fashion  as they are killing non Christians just because they are not Christians.

Arguing semantics in this discussion is very juvenile and does not give you a win.  It just makes you sound like a middle school kid trying to change the subject and utilize a false argument because it is the only way they can stay in the discussion.

Anyone with college English behind them should be able to spot a false argument a mile away.