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Re: Ryan won't commit to passing Trump tariff plan
« Reply #25 on: November 14, 2016, 04:58:35 pm »
If Trump wants Ryan gone he will be voted out, so don't kid yourself.

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Re: Ryan won't commit to passing Trump tariff plan
« Reply #26 on: November 14, 2016, 05:10:51 pm »
In your fantasy world...no I don't.  :laugh:

You don't in reality either it would appear.

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Re: Ryan won't commit to passing Trump tariff plan
« Reply #27 on: November 14, 2016, 06:05:45 pm »
Actually, less than that, since American workers insist on OSHA and EPA protections, etc.  Therefore, American wages must be lower, to come up with a market labor cost when you account for these costs.

On the other hand, you have to look at moral hazards of dealing with a foreign government and foreign middle men who might steal your proprietary assets, impose taxes of their own down the road (in retaliation for what Trump does, for example), the management and logistics of bringing finished goods back to the USA, higher inventory costs associated with waiting times, etc.  It is not as cut and dried as people might believe.

In general, way more jobs have been lost to technology in the past few decades than have been lost to foreign outsourcing.  And while American companies leaving makes news, foreign companies entering our market does not.  Fact is, most Toyotas, Hondas, Mercedes and BMWs sold in the USA are made in the USA.  Most of these jobs are in red states, however, as foreign companies are smart enough to avoid the labor unions in non-right to work states.

If you want to protect American jobs, get rid of the minimum wage, which would encourage upward mobility and make it more expensive for companies to switch to high tech ways to avoid labor costs. That would have a much bigger impact than tariffs, which would only make the American consumer suffer, and do little to help workers over the long term.


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Re: Ryan won't commit to passing Trump tariff plan
« Reply #28 on: November 14, 2016, 06:16:30 pm »
On the other hand, you have to look at moral hazards of dealing with a foreign government and foreign middle men who might steal your proprietary assets, impose taxes of their own down the road (in retaliation for what Trump does, for example), the management and logistics of bringing finished goods back to the USA, higher inventory costs associated with waiting times, etc.  It is not as cut and dried as people might believe.

In general, way more jobs have been lost to technology in the past few decades than have been lost to foreign outsourcing.  And while American companies leaving makes news, foreign companies entering our market does not.  Fact is, most Toyotas, Hondas, Mercedes and BMWs sold in the USA are made in the USA.  Most of these jobs are in red states, however, as foreign companies are smart enough to avoid the labor unions in non-right to work states.

If you want to protect American jobs, get rid of the minimum wage, which would encourage upward mobility and make it more expensive for companies to switch to high tech ways to avoid labor costs. That would have a much bigger impact than tariffs, which would only make the American consumer suffer, and do little to help workers over the long term.

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The real trick to all of this is to get agencies like the EPA and some of the other government entities that exacerbate the costs that producers pass on to the customer.

But the incestuous relationship some government agencies have with special interest groups...actually funding and in some cases encouraging their lawsuits  against companies...its an uphill battle.
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Re: Ryan won't commit to passing Trump tariff plan
« Reply #29 on: November 14, 2016, 06:16:43 pm »
It may be the Congressional GOP that ends up saving Trump from himself

That would be the hope.  Any rational politician knows there are only two ways the 2018 mid-terms aren't a disaster for the GOP.

1.  Save Trump from himself and make sure people know it

2.  Turn against Trump if he can't control himself.

The political dynamics of the next couple of years promise to be "interesting" -- hopefully not in the Chinese sense of the word.

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Re: Ryan won't commit to passing Trump tariff plan
« Reply #30 on: November 14, 2016, 06:25:11 pm »
It's not about taxes. It's about the cost of labor.  And labor costs in America are too high, even if corporate taxes are zero. 

That's not entirely correct.  The metric of interest is cost of doing business, of which labor costs are only a part.  Seen from that perspective, it is about taxes, but not only about taxes. 

Elimination of corporate taxes saves more than just the tax bill -- it also saves money on the efforts needed either to comply with or to avoid the tax bill, which includes lawyers, lobbyists, accountants, IT systems, and the general overhead costs of employing those people.

The high cost of employing people has its own explanations, which can probably be addressed more or less independently.

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Re: Ryan won't commit to passing Trump tariff plan
« Reply #31 on: November 14, 2016, 06:49:30 pm »
Paul Ryan got more votes this year than he did in 2014 and 2012. 

I'm not talking about his congressional seat, I'm talking about his position as Speaker.

He can and will get replaced if he continues to make noises about opposing Trump.

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Re: Ryan won't commit to passing Trump tariff plan
« Reply #32 on: November 14, 2016, 06:51:32 pm »

He can and will get replaced if he continues to make noises about opposing Trump.

And he should make noises on this issue and other fiscal and economic issues. That's what he was elected to do
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Re: Ryan won't commit to passing Trump tariff plan
« Reply #33 on: November 14, 2016, 06:59:26 pm »
And he should make noises on this issue and other fiscal and economic issues. That's what he was elected to do

Amazing how some forget that the House of Representatives is the people's house...it was never intended to be the Presidents rubber stamp.
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Re: Ryan won't commit to passing Trump tariff plan
« Reply #34 on: November 14, 2016, 07:01:27 pm »
He can and will get replaced if he continues to make noises about opposing Trump.

He won't.

Every sane member of the House understands that their own political survival depends on holding Trump accountable.  Among other things, that means not doing something simply because Trump wants it.

Ryan has already established himself as a guy who will hold Trump accountable.  He'll win the speakership, no problem.

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Re: Ryan won't commit to passing Trump tariff plan
« Reply #35 on: November 14, 2016, 07:03:49 pm »
Naked hero worship.

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Re: Ryan won't commit to passing Trump tariff plan
« Reply #36 on: November 14, 2016, 07:16:53 pm »
Amazing how some forget that the House of Representatives is the people's house...it was never intended to be the Presidents rubber stamp.

I don't want Ryan to oppose Trump on everything just to be vindictive, tho.

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Re: Ryan won't commit to passing Trump tariff plan
« Reply #37 on: November 14, 2016, 07:21:42 pm »
I don't want Ryan to oppose Trump on everything just to be vindictive, tho.

No, that would be stupid.  More to the point, though, Ryan has never said that's what he would do.

 

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Re: Ryan won't commit to passing Trump tariff plan
« Reply #38 on: November 14, 2016, 07:23:53 pm »
He can and will get replaced if he continues to make noises about opposing Trump.

When did you people decide you wanted Trump to be a dictator?
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Re: Ryan won't commit to passing Trump tariff plan
« Reply #39 on: November 14, 2016, 07:27:44 pm »
Well - what's the plan? Where is it? Show me the actual final text please.

I'd not commit either, til I knew what the hell I were committing to - wasn't one "You'll have to pass the bill to find out what's in it" enough for any lifetime?
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Re: Ryan won't commit to passing Trump tariff plan
« Reply #40 on: November 14, 2016, 07:32:32 pm »
I'm not talking about his congressional seat, I'm talking about his position as Speaker.

He can and will get replaced if he continues to make noises about opposing Trump.

You forget that little thing called the Constitution which creates separate but equal branches.

Trump has no power on who becomes speaker.
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Re: Ryan won't commit to passing Trump tariff plan
« Reply #41 on: November 14, 2016, 09:28:25 pm »
Trump has no power on who becomes speaker.

Good grief, of course he does. Trump looms over the DC swamp like Godzilla over Tokyo.

Ryan will lose in any show down with the newly elected President and I almost wish he'd try it just to see how far Trump kicks him.  :laugh:


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Re: Ryan won't commit to passing Trump tariff plan
« Reply #42 on: November 14, 2016, 09:30:43 pm »
Naked hero worship.

As opposed to the naked zero worship some folks here engage in...I'll take it.  :laugh:

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Re: Ryan won't commit to passing Trump tariff plan
« Reply #43 on: November 14, 2016, 09:37:12 pm »
Good grief, of course he does. Trump looms over the DC swamp like Godzilla over Tokyo.

Fat, clumsy, scaly, slimy, and incredibly destructive?
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Re: Ryan won't commit to passing Trump tariff plan
« Reply #44 on: November 14, 2016, 09:38:42 pm »
Ryan will lose in any show down with the newly elected President and I almost wish he'd try it just to see how far Trump kicks him.  :laugh:

Yeah, right.

If it comes to a showdown between Ryan and Trump, it'll be because Trump wants to do something stupid.  Trump can't win that sort of battle: he can only sign or veto what the House and Senate send to him.

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Re: Ryan won't commit to passing Trump tariff plan
« Reply #45 on: November 14, 2016, 09:39:11 pm »
Fat, clumsy, scaly, slimy, and incredibly destructive?

And don't forget that Godzilla generally lost....

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Re: Ryan won't commit to passing Trump tariff plan
« Reply #46 on: November 14, 2016, 09:51:36 pm »
Good grief, of course he does. Trump looms over the DC swamp like Godzilla over Tokyo.

Ryan will lose in any show down with the newly elected President and I almost wish he'd try it just to see how far Trump kicks him.  :laugh:

Just more proof of the fact you people want Trump to be your Mussolini.
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Re: Ryan won't commit to passing Trump tariff plan
« Reply #47 on: November 14, 2016, 10:52:42 pm »
Just more proof of the fact you people want Trump to be your Mussolini.

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Re: Ryan won't commit to passing Trump tariff plan
« Reply #48 on: November 14, 2016, 11:03:52 pm »
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Once Dear Leader Trump is immaculated, Amtrak will run on time.

Yes.  Trains will go East and everyone will know it's for 'work'.
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