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THE ELECTION PROCESS – HOW IT WORKS
« on: October 21, 2016, 09:42:06 pm »
Elections do not happen haphazardly.  There are laws that direct the entire process.  Every state has an election code law book – it is a thick book - the Texas Election Code is over 550 pages, size of pages are 8x10.  As laws are changed or added by the state legislature, a new book is published.  No matter in which state you live, your state has an Election Code law book.  As an example of how you can find your state’s election code, I looked up Florida’s election code.  I found these links:
Florida Election Laws: http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Index&Title_Request=IX#TitleIX
Florida Division of Elections:  http://dos.myflorida.com/elections/laws-rules/rules/
Download pdf file of Florida Election Code http://dos.myflorida.com/media/693802/election-laws.pdf
You can do the same for your state if you want to read your state’s election laws without buying the law book.

There are federal election laws and each state must develop a process to correctly follow these laws if any federal office is included in an election.  In the presidential election of 2000, there was a recount required by law in the state of Florida.  States have laws that determine whether a recount is automatically triggered.  If the difference of votes between two candidates falls at or above a certain percentage, an automatic recount is required.  That is what happened in Florida. Since it was required, the candidates did not have to pay for the recount.  If the difference of votes between two candidates is not within these parameters, but one of the candidates wants a recount anyway, the candidate must pay for the recount.  So, if either candidate, Clinton or Trump, want a recount but one has not been automatically triggered, that candidate will have to pay for the recount.

After the Florida election was resolved, new federal election laws, the “Help America Vote Act” (HAVA) was passed in 2002, creating a new federal agency to serve as a clearinghouse for election administration information and (1) providing funds to states to improve election administration and replace outdated voting systems; and (2) creating minimum standards for states to follow in several key areas of election administration.  In my opinion, these were excellent laws.  Every state must follow these laws and had to rewrite their election code to include them.  This was during the time I taught election law in numerous counties in Texas, so I had to know these new laws – they are imbedded in my memory forever.   
These new laws included:

1.  Punch ballots were outlawed – no more hanging chads.  No state could use them beginning in 2006.
2.  Provisional ballots were created.  All states must use them.  An example of when a provisional ballot is used:
   A.  If a voter appears at a polling place and the voter’s name is not on the list of registered voters for that precinct, that voter may only vote a provisional ballot (normally a paper ballot which is then sealed in an envelope and put in a locked box).  At the end of election day, the provisional ballots are returned to the central counting station.  On the next day or the next day, a committee called the “Early Voting Ballot Board” (some states may call it otherwise), meets and determines whether or not that voter is a registered voter in that polling precinct (the name is searched on the master list of registered voters).  The ballot is counted or not counted determined by the committee.  In my case, I was the Judge of the Early Voting Ballot Board for ten years and no provisional ballot was accepted after our investigation.
   Voters in a precinct may see someone voting a provisional ballot and think that person is voting a regular ballot when the person is not.  That could lead the voter viewing that process to leave and say there is voter fraud happening because he/she does not understand the process.

3.  Every Secretary of State was made the “keeper” of the state’s master voter list.
Before this law there was no official state master list of registered voters.  (The actual person in the Secretary of State’s office who supervises elections is the “Director of Elections” who is hired by the Secretary of State and is usually a lawyer.  Also in that department are more lawyers who deal with election questions that come up in the counties.)   

Before this law, the election administrator (county clerk or election administrator) would put a potential voter on the list of registered voters if the person had a physical address in the county and had checked he/she is a US citizen.  The administrator had no power to check state records about this person.  This is what happens now:

A potential voter comes to register.  The election administrator accepts the information from the potential voter.  If the voter does not have a Texas driver's license number or the number of a personal identification card issued by the Department of Public Safety, the last four digits of the person’s social security number must be given.  If the potential voter has none of these numbers, the administrator contacts the Secretary of State, Election Director, who does a search which may include birth records, death records, driver’s license records, passport records, criminal records, all records where this person’s name and birth date appears.  If it is determined that person is a citizen, the Secretary of State sends an approval to the election administrator and the person is added to the master voter list of the county.  This is a way to keep illegals from being on the county voter list.

How Voters Who Die Are Removed From Voter Lists:
You may have heard many dead people are on voter lists of counties and these “dead” people vote.  Do not believe this happens often as there is a system to remove voters who die. Here is the actual law in Texas and your state also has a process like, or similar, to this:

 “Sec. 16.001.  DEATH.  (a)  Each month the local registrar of deaths shall prepare an abstract of each death certificate issued in the month for a decedent 18 years of age or older who was a resident of the state at the time of death.  The local registrar of deaths shall file each abstract with the voter registrar of the decedent's county of residence and the secretary of state not later than the 10th day of the month following the month in which the abstract is prepared.”

Another way voters are removed from voter lists:
If renewal voter cards are sent to voters every year or every two years (Texas is every two years, sent between November 15- December 6), and that voter card is returned to the election administer as “undeliverable”, the name of the voter is put on “Suspense”.  A letter is sent to the voter in March, and if that is returned as “undeliverable”, the name remains on Suspense.  If on November 30 following the second general election for state and county officers that occurs after the date the voter's name is entered on the suspense list a registered voter's name appears on the suspense list, the registrar shall cancel the voter's registration unless the name is to be deleted from the list under Section 15.023.

Here is law regarding removal of a voter’s name from the voter list due to ineligibility.
SUBCHAPTER B. CANCELLATION

Sec. 16.031.  CANCELLATION ON OFFICIAL NOTICE OF INELIGIBILITY.  (a)  The registrar shall cancel a voter's registration immediately on receipt of:
(1)  notice under Section 13.072(b) or 15.021 or a response under Section 15.053 that the voter's residence is outside the county;

(2)  an abstract of the voter's death certificate under Section 16.001(a) or an abstract of an application indicating that the voter is deceased under Section 16.001(b);

(3)  an abstract of a final judgment of the voter's total mental incapacity, partial mental incapacity without the right to vote, conviction of a felony, or disqualification under Section 16.002, 16.003, or 16.004;
(4)  notice under Section 112.012 that the voter has applied for a limited ballot in another county;
(5)  notice from a voter registration official in another state that the voter has registered to vote outside this state;
(6)  notice from the early voting clerk under Section 101.0041 that a federal postcard application submitted by an applicant states a voting residence address located outside the registrar's county; or
(7)  notice from the secretary of state that the voter has registered to vote in another county, as determined by the voter's driver's license number or personal identification card number issued by the Department of Public Safety or social security number.
(b)  The registrar shall cancel a voter's registration immediately if the registrar:
(1)  determines from information received under Section 16.001(c) that the voter is deceased;
(2)  has personal knowledge that the voter is deceased;
(3)  receives from a person related within the second degree by consanguinity or affinity, as determined under Chapter 573, Government Code, to the voter a sworn statement by that person indicating that the voter is deceased; or
(4)  receives notice from the secretary of state under Section 18.068 that the voter is deceased.

Returning to another provision in the Help America Vote Act:
4.  The federal government gave money to states that wanted to use electronic voting machines.  That money was only available for a certain amount of time, and most states opted for the money to begin to use voting machines.  There were numerous companies making voting machines and a county could determine which machines they wanted to use.  Counties could also determine if they wanted to continue to use paper ballots, no machines.

States wrote laws to develop a process for using voting machines.  That meant laws to determine where they were kept in the county, how they were programmed, how they were checked for accuracy, how they were kept safe after programming, how they were delivered to polling places and how they were safely returned to central counting at the end of election day.

Here is the process for Texas and your state also has laws for this process: 
Electronic voting machines are kept locked in a room in your county, usually the courthouse or a courthouse annex.

When there is a state/federal election slated, and the official ballot is set for the election, the machines are programmed, either by the county technician or by a technician from the machine’s company.

In a county:  On a set day, the county clerk or election administrator, meets with the Republican Chairman and Democrat Chairman of the county, and each machine is checked for accuracy.  If a machine fails, it is removed then to be corrected.  Once the machines are determined to be correct, they are locked in a room with two locks.  The key to one lock is with the county clerk or election administrator, and the other lock’s key is given to the county sheriff.  If the sheriff is on the ballot, the key is given to the county judge (their terms are staggered so both are not on the ballot at the same time).

On election day, the room is unlocked and the sheriff’s deputies deliver the machines to the polling places.  At the polling place, the election judge (of one party) and the alternate judge (of the opposing party), check the machines are set at zero.

How Electronic Voting Machines Work:
They count, that is all they do.  They are not individually hooked to the internet. Besides the removable memory component the election judge/alternate take out of the machine at the end of election day, there is an internal count in the guts of the machine that only a company tech can take out of the machine in case there is a question as to the count on that machine.

At the end of election day, the judge and alternate judge take the internal memory components to central counting, followed by a sheriff’s deputy.  The sheriff deputies also carry the voting machines back to the room from which they came and they are once again locked up.

There are now various types of voting machines but you can see there are laws that determine how these machines are kept safe.  I have read numerous accounts how some people have changed the counts of these machines.  Every single one required having the machine in their possession to do their dirty work.  If the machines are kept safe by following the law, no one has access to these machines. 

I am presenting selected actual law regarding voting machines after they have been delivered to the polling places, since there is so much misinformation about voting machine “fraud” happening at polling places.  Please note the process when a machine malfunctions.

Sec. 125.005.  MAINTAINING SECURITY OF EQUIPMENT DURING VOTING.  (a)  The presiding judge (at the polling place) shall periodically have an election officer inspect the voting system equipment for tampering and damage while voting is in progress.

(b)  If any tampering or damage is discovered, the inspecting officer shall immediately stop use of the equipment and report to the presiding judge, who shall promptly take appropriate action.
Sec. 125.006.  MALFUNCTION OF EQUIPMENT AT POLLING PLACE.  (a)  The presiding judge shall stop use of malfunctioning voting system equipment installed at a polling place immediately after discovering that the equipment is not functioning properly.
(b)  The presiding judge shall have the malfunctioning equipment promptly repaired or replaced if practicable.
(c)  If the presiding judge determines that the equipment cannot be promptly repaired or replaced and that voting cannot be continued by using only the remaining operational equipment without substantially interfering with the orderly conduct of the election, voting at that polling place may be conducted by one of the following methods in addition to, or instead of, using remaining operational equipment:
(1)  using another voting system that has been adopted for use in the election;
(2)  using regular paper ballots, whether early voting ballots or ballots for regular voting on election day;  or
(3)  having voters manually mark the electronic system ballots that were furnished for use with the malfunctioning equipment and having the ballots processed as regular paper ballots.
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Sec. 125.010.  PRESENCE OF VOTING SYSTEM TECHNICIAN AUTHORIZED. 
(a)  In this section, "voting system technician" means a person who as a vocation repairs, assembles, maintains, or operates voting system equipment.
(b)  On the request of the authority holding the election, a voting system technician may be present at a polling place, a meeting of the early voting ballot board, or a central counting station for the purpose of repairing, assembling, maintaining, or operating voting system equipment.
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SUBCHAPTER C. ELECTRONIC VOTING SYSTEMS
   Sec. 125.061.  INSPECTING EQUIPMENT AT POLLING PLACE.  (a)  Before opening a polling place for voting on election day, the presiding judge shall inspect any electronic voting system equipment installed at the polling place to determine whether it is installed and functioning properly.
(b)  The presiding judge shall take appropriate corrective action if the equipment is not installed or functioning properly.
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Sec. 125.063.  SECURING EQUIPMENT ON CLOSE OF VOTING.  On the close of voting at each polling place at which electronic voting system equipment is used, an election officer shall secure or inactivate the equipment as prescribed by the secretary of state so that its unauthorized operation is prevented.
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   Sec. 125.064.  RECORDS AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC INSPECTION.  Any documents or records used in the preparation of or prepared for use in an electronic voting system for the operation of the system for a particular election and any documents or records generated by the system in that election shall be made available for public inspection in the office of the general custodian of election records for the period for preserving the precinct election records.

Vote By Mail – Absentee Voting
In my opinion, working as the Judge of the Early Voting Ballot Board for a number of years, there is more voter fraud in mail in ballots than any other type of election fraud.  Narrowing that down, most of the fraud is done in nursing homes.  There is a way to disqualify those ballots since the perpetrators don’t know the law as to completing the paper work on the carrier envelope.  If the Judge of that board knows the law regarding those applications, most of the fraudulent ballots can be disqualified.  The Board has a judge and an equal number of Democrats and Republicans.  This is how the Board qualifies mail in ballots:

The election code has specific laws that each ballot paperwork must pass.  The Board must use those rules to qualify a ballot.

First, the signature on the carrier envelope must match the signature on the ballot application.  If there is no signature on the carrier envelope, the ballot is rejected.  If no signature on the application, the ballot is rejected.  If the signatures do not match, the ballot is rejected.

If any “required” fill in space on the carrier envelope is vacant, the ballot is rejected.  If someone helped the voter, that someone must print AND sign his/her name, and provide an address on the carrier envelope.  If any of those required spaces is vacant, the ballot is rejected.

A “helper” may only help one by mail voter, unless the helper is related to the voter by certain degrees of affinity or consanguinity.

The voter’s name must be on the master voter list, or the ballot is rejected.

The actual ballots are in sealed envelopes.  Those envelopes are stacked up and then opened. 
That is so a voter’s ballot envelope won’t be opened as soon as his/her paperwork is approved and the Board could identify the candidate choices of the voter.

How Voting District lines Are Drawn:
After a census of the country, voting district lines are redrawn.  This is done due to the population growth in some areas and the population being less in some areas.
Yes, there are laws that determine where lines are drawn.  Let’s consider your county:
Law sets the number of people to be in a commissioner’s precinct.  Your commissioner’s court draws the lines.

The legislature draws the lines for congressional districts.  There is a legal number of folks to be in a congressional district.  Lines are drawn to contain that number.  Democrats love to be the major party in the legislature to draw those lines.  Republicans love to be in the majority in the legislature to draw those lines.  Remember, the number is set by law to be in those districts so a party cannot gerrymander a line to make it more or less than the law defines.  They can jiggle a line as long as the number in the district still satisfies the law.

I recall, in 2003, our Republican led legislature drew the lines and Democrat legislators left the state so it could not be voted on.  Some went into Oklahoma and some into New Mexico.  This is the history of that on Wikipedia (The Texas Eleven):

The Texas Eleven were a group of Texas Senate Democrats who fled Texas for Albuquerque, New Mexico for 46 days in 2003 aimed at preventing the passage of controversial redistricting legislation that was intended to benefit Texas Republicans. A group of Texas House representatives, dubbed the Killer Ds, had fled the state earlier that same summer for the same reason.
U.S. House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, then a powerful figure in Texas politics, advocated arresting the Texas Eleven, telling reporters that he supported using FBI agents or U.S. Marshals to arrest the runaway Democrats and bring them back to Austin, asserting that redistricting is a matter of federal concern.
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The above report on how elections work is what I have experienced in working with elections.
If you have a problem with it, send me a message and I’ll answer it. 

In 2003, I wrote a law (Sec.127.005e) that was passed by the Texas Legislature and that created a judge and alternate judge in central counting where your votes are counted on election night.  Before that law, in our county, the central counting station was held by the county clerk who was a Democrat, and she would not let any Republicans into the central counting station where ballots were being counted.  It was that way all over Texas, a Republican county clerk could keep out Democrats.  The law I wrote required a judge and alternate judge just as a voting precinct has.  If the Judge was a Republican (meaning in the last gubernatorial election the county voted in the majority for the Republican gubernatorial candidate), the alternate Judge would be a Democrat.  Both Republicans and Democrats are now in central counting where your ballot is counted.

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« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2016, 09:45:08 pm »
Wow.  Thanks for posting!

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« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2016, 09:56:01 pm »
Thank You V33

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« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2016, 09:58:10 pm »
Very good post.
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« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2016, 10:16:06 pm »
Good info, thanks.
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« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2016, 12:23:40 am »
Quote
  Before that law, in our county, the central counting station was held by the county clerk who was a Democrat, and she would not let any Republicans into the central counting station where ballots were being counted.  It was that way all over Texas, a Republican county clerk could keep out Democrats.  The law I wrote required a judge and alternate judge just as a voting precinct has.  If the Judge was a Republican (meaning in the last gubernatorial election the county voted in the majority for the Republican gubernatorial candidate), the alternate Judge would be a Democrat.  Both Republicans and Democrats are now in central counting where your ballot is counted.
Very interesting. Good for you!
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« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2016, 12:54:01 am »
@Victoria33

This is so interesting.  I learned a lot from this post. 

You're a credit to this forum.

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« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2016, 01:06:58 am »
Excellent, should be required reading for everyone. :patriot:

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« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2016, 12:31:06 pm »
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I've learning  so much from you @Victoria33 .

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« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2016, 02:42:03 pm »
In California we give drivers licenses to illegal aliens. In fact, ten states now do.

It is estimated by some that half of the new drivers licenses issued last year went to illegals in CA.

With that comes the opportunity to register to vote.

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« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2016, 02:56:04 pm »
I copied this from a post of an article put on here today.  Trump is yelling about voter fraud because he has no idea how elections work (I would make a better president than he would as he is ignorant and will not read or study or care what is legal - he will just yell and then have his lawyers sue).  I read what he said at a rally yesterday and he is sure the election is rigged (he is dumb, dumb, dumb,) which sets off voters who don't know how elections work:

"Trump’s supporters have concocted elaborate explanations for why he might lose, often involving massive voter fraud conducted by Democrats who will bus undocumented immigrants and people posing as people who have died to battleground states to vote illegally. There are also fears that election results in some states will be tampered with, and Trump’s backers have cheered his promise to challenge the election results if he doesn’t win."

What is wrong with the above paragraph based on the laws I posted in the long article?
"...bus undocumented immigrants ...to vote illegally."  Remember, voters vote IN A COUNTY.  There is a list of voters for every voting precinct in a county.  If an illegal is brought to a polling place, that name is not on the voter list so that illegal can only vote a PROVISIONAL BALLOT.  Remember that process?  Look above on the long article to see what happens to Provisional Ballots.  The idiots who would transport illegals to a polling place do not know those ballots will NOT be counted because those people are NOT registered voters of that precinct.

To continue the article portion:   "...and people posing as people who have died to battleground states to vote illegally..."

Remember how people who die are taken off a county's voter list?  It is fantasy to say thousands/millions of illegal ballots are cast in dead people's names.  Also, remember, most states have a law that some kind of ID (I don't necessarily mean picture ID), is required when a voter goes to vote.  Most have a voter card issued by the county.  If the voter has no card with him/her, acceptable IDs includes driver's license, an identity card issued by the the driver's license division, a utility bill with the voter's name and address. passport, birth certificate.

An example of a person being prosecuted for voting for a dead person in a Texas election:
When I finish the story you are going to feel sorry for the person who voted for the dead voter (I felt sorry).  This happened in voting by mail:
An elderly woman voter was being cared for by her daughter.  A ballot by mail was in the house for the elderly woman to complete and send back to the county.  She died before she did that.  The daughter, knowing how her mother was going to vote, filled it out, signed it as her mother, and sent the ballot to the county.  The notice of death went to the county and the fraudulent ballot, cast after the woman died, was caught.  The daughter wanted to carry out her mother's wishes but she committed an illegal act, she was guilty of voter fraud.

The Texas State Attorney General at the time, our present governor, Greg Abbott, prosecuted this woman who committed voter fraud. 

"There are also fears that election results in some states will be tampered with..."
Again, the person who wrote this has no information as to how ballots, no matter the system, are kept safe and how the ballots are tabulated by law.

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« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2016, 03:03:27 pm »
In California we give drivers licenses to illegal aliens. In fact, ten states now do.
It is estimated by some that half of the new drivers licenses issued last year went to illegals in CA.  With that comes the opportunity to register to vote.
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Thanks for your post.  I will check California voter registration laws.

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« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2016, 04:51:09 pm »
VOTER REGISTRATION IN CALIFORNIA

From the California Secretary of State’s website:
To register to vote in California, you must be:
A United States citizen,
A resident of California,
18 years of age or older on Election Day,
Not currently imprisoned or on parole for the conviction of a felony (for more information on the rights of people who have been incarcerated, please see the Secretary of State's Voting Rights for Californians with Criminal Convictions or Detained in Jail or Prison), and
Not currently found to be mentally incompetent by a court of law (for more information, please see Voting Rights: Persons Subject to Conservatorship).
Pick Up a Voter Registration Application
You can also pick up a paper voter registration application at your county elections office, library, Department of Motor Vehicles offices, or U.S. post office. It is important that your voter registration application be filled out completely and be postmarked or hand-delivered to your county elections office at least 15 days before the election.
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California Election Code regarding voter registration (2111):
ELECTIONS CODE - ELECDIVISION 2. VOTERS [2000 - 2600]
( Division 2 enacted by Stats. 1994, Ch. 920, Sec. 2. )
CHAPTER 2. Registration [2100 - 2194.1]
( Chapter 2 enacted by Stats. 1994, Ch. 920, Sec. 2. )
ARTICLE 1. General Provisions [2100 - 2124]
( Article 1 enacted by Stats. 1994, Ch. 920, Sec. 2. )
 
2111.   A person may prove he or she is a citizen by his or her certification under penalty of perjury on the affidavit of registration.
(Enacted by Stats. 1994, Ch. 920, Sec. 2.)
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The penalty for perjury in the state of California is “Penal Code 118(a), perjury, which is a felony punishable by 2, 3 or 4 years in prison”.

Regarding filling out a voter registration application with an “affidavit” portion: “Affidavit” means it is a legal document with penalty of perjury (lying) on the application.

Filling out a voter application at a California Driver’s License location:
This is just a way to get an application – the Driver’s License Location does not register the voter to vote.  A number of states, including Texas, have this convenience for the voter to get an application.  The Driver’s License Location forwards the application to the county which the voter lists on the application.  It is incorrect to think the Driver’s License Location actually registers the voter to vote.

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« Reply #13 on: October 22, 2016, 05:04:25 pm »
Thank you so much for your knowledge and valuable research.  There is probably a little voter fraud but not as widespread as the trumpers would have us believe.
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« Reply #14 on: October 22, 2016, 05:16:41 pm »
Here's a one-stop shop for all voting information for all 50 states.

https://www.fvap.gov

It will even allow you to fill out and submit a registration to vote form (a little late, now... though) and request an absentee ballot.

It also will direct you to each state's election office, if needed.

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« Reply #15 on: October 22, 2016, 07:44:16 pm »
Trump wants "his people" to go to the polls and follow/watch voters vote to find fraud.  If they show up at a polling place, they will be asked to leave and if they don't, the election judge will call a police officer, usually the constable of that precinct, and they will be arrested.

HOW POLL WATCHERS ARE APPOINTED AND WHAT THEY CAN DO AND CAN'T DO

Each candidate may appoint a poll watcher for every polling place.  A Republican Chairman and Democrat Chairman may appoint a poll watcher for every polling place.  An appointment document is completed and the watcher, who must arrive at a certain time in the morning, gives the election judge the appointment document and signs it in front of the judge and the watcher must show ID to prove he/she is the person listed on the appointment sheet. 

A poll watcher can't leave unless the election judge approves it.  Some states will not allow a watcher to leave and come back.  An election judge may let a watcher leave for lunch and come back but a watcher should take lunch with him/her as it is up to the judge whether they can leave or not.

A poll watcher cannot follow a voter into a voter booth.
A poll watcher cannot speak to a voter.
If a poll watcher thinks something is happening that should not be happening, the watcher can only speak to the judge about that happening.
A poll watcher cannot take pictures or make a film in the polling place.
A poll watcher may bring paper and pen and make notes.

Other issues regarding polling places:
A boundary of so many yards is posted/marked outside the polling place and only voters going to vote can be within that boundary.  If anyone comes within that boundary to speak to voters, that person will be asked to leave by the election judge and if he/she does not, he/she will be arrested.

Trump supporters who follow Trump's directions to follow voters at the polls, should read these rules/laws so they won't end up in jail.

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« Reply #16 on: October 22, 2016, 07:59:46 pm »
Here's a one-stop shop for all voting information for all 50 states.
https://www.fvap.gov
It will even allow you to fill out and submit a registration to vote form (a little late, now... though) and request an absentee ballot.
It also will direct you to each state's election office, if needed.

That is a good website if one needs information about how to vote by mail or vote from overseas, etc.., and some forms are provided.  Actual laws aren't there, but there is a link provided to a voter's Secretary of State website where a link to election law may be, if the Secretary of State has put it there.

The best link to use is the one to the voter's Secretary of State website where forms will be for their exact state, plus the instructions for registering and voting by mail is there.  Stick with your state as forms may vary from state to state.  The same information may be on a form but the form placement may vary from state to state.

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« Reply #17 on: October 22, 2016, 09:05:57 pm »
This is great @Victoria33.  Many thanks.

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« Reply #18 on: October 22, 2016, 09:17:07 pm »

VOTER REGISTRATION IN CALIFORNIA

From the California Secretary of State’s website:
To register to vote in California, you must be:
A United States citizen,
A resident of California,
18 years of age or older on Election Day,
Not currently imprisoned or on parole for the conviction of a felony (for more information on the rights of people who have been incarcerated, please see the Secretary of State's Voting Rights for Californians with Criminal Convictions or Detained in Jail or Prison), and
Not currently found to be mentally incompetent by a court of law (for more information, please see Voting Rights: Persons Subject to Conservatorship).
Pick Up a Voter Registration Application
You can also pick up a paper voter registration application at your county elections office, library, Department of Motor Vehicles offices, or U.S. post office. It is important that your voter registration application be filled out completely and be postmarked or hand-delivered to your county elections office at least 15 days before the election.
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California Election Code regarding voter registration (2111):
ELECTIONS CODE - ELECDIVISION 2. VOTERS [2000 - 2600]
( Division 2 enacted by Stats. 1994, Ch. 920, Sec. 2. )
CHAPTER 2. Registration [2100 - 2194.1]
( Chapter 2 enacted by Stats. 1994, Ch. 920, Sec. 2. )
ARTICLE 1. General Provisions [2100 - 2124]
( Article 1 enacted by Stats. 1994, Ch. 920, Sec. 2. )
 
2111.   A person may prove he or she is a citizen by his or her certification under penalty of perjury on the affidavit of registration.
(Enacted by Stats. 1994, Ch. 920, Sec. 2.)
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The penalty for perjury in the state of California is “Penal Code 118(a), perjury, which is a felony punishable by 2, 3 or 4 years in prison”.

Regarding filling out a voter registration application with an “affidavit” portion: “Affidavit” means it is a legal document with penalty of perjury (lying) on the application.

Filling out a voter application at a California Driver’s License location:
This is just a way to get an application – the Driver’s License Location does not register the voter to vote.  A number of states, including Texas, have this convenience for the voter to get an application.  The Driver’s License Location forwards the application to the county which the voter lists on the application.  It is incorrect to think the Driver’s License Location actually registers the voter to vote.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Voter_Registration_Act_of_1993

Why does the democrat party struggle so mightily to prevent states from enacting more stringent identification protocols at polls? Sorry, your assertion does not pass the giggle test.

I am not a Trump supporter but nor will I suspend cognition for any reason. At least it'll take more to get me to believe there's not a growing voter fraud problem than an excerpt from the State's website.
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« Reply #19 on: October 22, 2016, 09:23:09 pm »
Trump wants "his people" to go to the polls and follow/watch voters vote to find fraud.  If they show up at a polling place, they will be asked to leave and if they don't, the election judge will call a police officer, usually the constable of that precinct, and they will be arrested.

Trump has made repeated calls for supporters to engage in the election process legally, which means volunteering to poll watch as allowed by law.

Insinuations otherwise are flat out democrat lies.  :nono:

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« Reply #20 on: October 22, 2016, 09:57:51 pm »
Trump has made repeated calls for supporters to engage in the election process legally, which means volunteering to poll watch as allowed by law.

Insinuations otherwise are flat out democrat lies.  :nono:

I heard him myself, more than once, tell them to go follow voters when they vote at the polling place and look for fraud.  Try actually listening to him speak.
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« Reply #21 on: October 22, 2016, 10:11:47 pm »
@skeeter

You posted https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Voter_Registration_Act_of_1993
That does not mean the Driver's License location has a voter list at that place and they register the person who fills out the application.  They only have the applications and when a person fills it out, they forward the application.

There are also applications at libraries and the library doesn't have a voter list.  They forward the completed application. 

You can fill out an application to become an asst. registrar and carry applications with you and get people to fill them out, but you don't have a voter list, either.  You take the completed applications back to the election administrator just as the other locations forward them also.
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As to having a voter card or other ID when you appear to vote, I haven't looked that up for California, but I will.   

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« Reply #22 on: October 22, 2016, 10:14:51 pm »
This is the kind of informative post we used to get in the old days on That Other Site. There was once people from almost every kind of profession ready to answer questions.


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« Reply #23 on: October 22, 2016, 10:23:24 pm »
bump to keep it on top

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« Reply #24 on: October 22, 2016, 10:51:27 pm »
@skeeter

You posted https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Voter_Registration_Act_of_1993
That does not mean the Driver's License location has a voter list at that place and they register the person who fills out the application.  They only have the applications and when a person fills it out, they forward the application.

There are also applications at libraries and the library doesn't have a voter list.  They forward the completed application. 

You can fill out an application to become an asst. registrar and carry applications with you and get people to fill them out, but you don't have a voter list, either.  You take the completed applications back to the election administrator just as the other locations forward them also.
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As to having a voter card or other ID when you appear to vote, I haven't looked that up for California, but I will.

I appreciate your efforts to inform.

But I've seen and heard too much to believe that voter fraud isn't a major problem. For example, my late MIL, who spoke no english, used to give her ballot to an employee at her NY government provided apartment complex, along with all of the other immigrant seniors, trusting her to fill it out for her. I doubt any republican candidate benefitted.

Its gotta be widespread and I believe only getting worse.