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SOURCE: THE GATEWAY PUNDIT

URL: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/10/actuarial-review-of-recent-polls-shows-trump-win-and-possible-landslide/

by: Jim Hoft



Ann Coulter warned in her book Slander in 2003 that the far left main stream media always uses polls to push their agenda. Polls can be skewed by selecting an unreasonable sample size, by asking lead up questions or by selecting more of a sample population of one side of an issue to achieve a desired result.

Main stream media skews polls to discourage potential voters from voting and has done it for years.

A good example of the media trying to shape a vote was in 1980. In a Gallup poll released on October 26th in 1980, two weeks before the election, Jimmy Carter was leading Ronald Reagan 47 – 39.  Two weeks later Reagan won in such a landslide that Carter conceded before California was closed.



Another example of mainstream liberal media bias was in 1988. A Gallup Poll from July 26 showed Michael S. Dukakis leading George H. W. Bush by 17 points. Of course Bush went on to thump Dukakis in the general election.

This past week a number of polls show Hillary Clinton leading Donald Trump by various margins. One poll last week reported by NBC/WSJ showed Hillary ahead by 11. However, Truthfeed pointed out that NBC/WSJ didn’t mention that the poll was created by a Hillary Super PAC.

It’s also well known that the Monmouth University poll is run by a Hillary Huckster who recently was caught manipulating a poll and then lied about it.

Realclearpolitics.com takes an average of these distorted polls to come up with their analysis of the current race. Their efforts are a great example of the phrase – ‘garbage in – garbage out’.

Expert Analysis

With all the liberal distortions and dishonesty we decided to have a small team of actuarial and statistics professionals take a look at a couple of the recent polls to get their take on the reliability of these polls. They selected the recent FOX poll from October 14 showing Hillary up by 7 and the WSJ/NBC poll from October 16 showing Hillary with an 11 point lead.

The first observation is that both polls are heavily skewed towards Democrats. At a high level, the FOX poll consists of 43 Dems to 36 Reps to 21 Other while the NBC poll shows 44 Dems to 37 Reps to 19 Other.

By selecting more Dems the polls are designed to provide a Dem result.


Our experts next analyzed the data and calculated results using the same data from the two surveys on a split of 40 Dems, 40 Reps and 20 Other. The results show that using either sets of data Trump comes out ahead with a larger margin of victory using the FOX data.

Clearly the polls using data that is heavily weighted towards Democrat voters is incorrectly skewed.

This year Republicans crushed their previous record in the primaries for number of votes by 150%. Their old record was 20 million and this year 31 million voted in the primaries.

The Democrats on the other hand had 7 million votes less than their record year in 2008 with 30 million this year compared to 37 million in 2008.

Also, the primaries were heavily contested on both sides resulting in factions from each party vowing not to vote for the party candidate. The impact of these two groups is difficult to judge. The percentage of these voters that change parties is probably limited. If anything, the Sanders people will probably be more likely to vote for Trump since he is an outsider and many of them will never vote for Crooked Hillary.

Finally, it is difficult to determine what the independent voters will do but many independent voters partook in the primaries to vote for Trump. Therefore it is more likely that Independent voters vote for Trump as well.


If more Democratic voters vote for Trump than Republicans vote for Hillary and more Independents vote for Trump than Hillary, both scenarios which are highly likely, then the results of the general election will likely be a Trump landslide.

Let’s face it NOBODY likes Hillary and NOBODY trusts Hillary.

Nobody trusted Hillary before WikiLeaks.  Trump is filling arenas around the country but Hillary can barely fill half a high school gymnasium.  Her VP candidate Tim Kaine can’t even get 50 people at an event.

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Obama had yard signs everywhere. Hillary has none. This is because people are embarrassed to support lying Hillary.

— Bill Mitchell (@mitchellvii) October 17, 2016

Maybe the current polls are not just inaccurate – maybe they are dead wrong.
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How can one not question the legitimacy of the polls?  Trump fills his venues; Clinton does not.  However we are to believe that she is ahead double-digits in most polls??  Perhaps the 4,000,000 dead voters are a clear indicator as to how she's going to win.
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How can one not question the legitimacy of the polls?  Trump fills his venues; Clinton does not.  However we are to believe that she is ahead double-digits in most polls??  Perhaps the 4,000,000 dead voters are a clear indicator as to how she's going to win.

Are you being sucked in by this Trump conspiracy nonsense?

The reason FOX and NBC polls show a +7 Dem lean is that that was the result in 2012.  7% more Dems turned out than Republicans. And the polls turned out to be right then.

"Filling venues" is fool's gold. Romney filled venues with as many or more than Trump in 2012.  So that means nothing.

Trump is done.  You Trumpkins may as well come to terms with that.  There is simply nothing he can do to change the equation unless he makes the election about Hillary.  He seems incapable of that.

As long as the election is about Trump and he's the one in the news, he's losing.
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If you needed another reason.

No government in the 12,000 years of modern mankind history has led its people into anything but the history books with a simple lesson, don't let this happen to you.

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Quote from: THE GATEWAY PUNDIT
A good example of the media trying to shape a vote was in 1980. In a Gallup poll released on October 26th in 1980, two weeks before the election, Jimmy Carter was leading Ronald Reagan 47 – 39.  Two weeks later Reagan won in such a landslide that Carter conceded before California was closed.


The difference here is that Trump is a liberal while Reagan was a Conservative.
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The difference here is that Trump is a liberal while Reagan was a Conservative.

Also, Reagan had a friendly demeanor and even if you didn't agree with him it was hard to hate him. Trump is not only hard to like, but he's easy to hate.
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Actuarial???

Actuarial science is the discipline that applies mathematical and statistical methods to assess risk in insurance, finance and other industries and professions.


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The difference here is that Trump is a liberal while Reagan was a Conservative.
Closed borders, Anti-Terror, America First,

I'll take that liberalism if that is how one defines it.

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Law enforcement also has supported Trump, the Union for Immigration and Customs Enforcement; numerous military leaders have given endorsements, some liberalism.

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Closed borders, Anti-Terror, America First,

I'll take that liberalism if that is how one defines it.

Too bad Trump defines it as touchback amnesty, reversing his muslim ban and outsourcing everything he can but his 'made in America' hats overseas. And IIRC he outsourced those at first too.

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Too bad Trump defines it as touchback amnesty, reversing his muslim ban and outsourcing everything he can but his 'made in America' hats overseas. And IIRC he outsourced those at first too.

Reagan gave amnesty. Touchback is better than blanket amnesty, sometimes, one has to use a practical approach to get something done rather than getting nothing done.

Trump did not reverse his Muslim ban.

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Reagan gave amnesty. Touchback is better than blanket amnesty, sometimes, one has to use a practical approach to get something done rather than getting nothing done.

Trump did not reverse his Muslim ban.

Trump reversed his muslim ban. He now says no ban.Thats a reverse.

Reagan called it a mistake.
Touchback is Amnesty but at least you admit it so thats progress.
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They fished for the Reagan poll.  The polling aggregate showed him slightly ahead before the debate with Carter.  Never before has a presidential candidate been so far behind in late October and come back to win the election.

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Are you being sucked in by this Trump conspiracy nonsense?

The reason FOX and NBC polls show a +7 Dem lean is that that was the result in 2012.  7% more Dems turned out than Republicans. And the polls turned out to be right then.

"Filling venues" is fool's gold. Romney filled venues with as many or more than Trump in 2012.  So that means nothing.

Trump is done.  You Trumpkins may as well come to terms with that.  There is simply nothing he can do to change the equation unless he makes the election about Hillary.  He seems incapable of that.

As long as the election is about Trump and he's the one in the news, he's losing.

I find it hilarious that you are calling me a Trumpkin; you're an absolute riot!
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Unskewed Polls redux.
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Taking outliers from other elections and trying to say EVERY poll is wrong because of them is insane and nonsensical

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Conservatives are like Al Bundy, still gloating about things that happened over 30 years ago.


Pathetic.

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Conservatives are like Al Bundy, still gloating about things that happened over 30 years ago.


Pathetic.


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IIt is sad.  A lot of Conservatives needs to realize that this isn't 1980 anymore.
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Main stream media skews polls to discourage potential voters from voting and has done it for years.

They can take some time off this year.

The candidates themselves are doing just fine in discouraging voters without the media's help.
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This year Republicans crushed their previous record in the primaries for number of votes by 150%

Yeah - the majority of which didn't actually vote for Trump!
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Yeah - the majority of which didn't actually vote for Trump!

How do we know that?

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Next week we'll have a better idea of the true poll numbers as both independents and on-the-fence voters make up their minds, but more importantly, poll companies start to shore up their results so they can try to claim the 'most accurate' in terms of final results.

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Actuarial???

Actuarial science is the discipline that applies mathematical and statistical methods to assess risk in insurance, finance and other industries and professions.

All that poll means is Trump needs more life insurance.

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All that poll means is Trump needs more life insurance.

Finally someone got it!

The guy writing this article is no more qualified to render judgement on this topic than you or I.

So it should be taken in the same vein and not the received word of some political guru.

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This year, many, many polls are showing Trump is behind. There is one consistent outlier, this LA Times poll, which has shown Trump slightly ahead.

Don't forget Rasmussen Washington Watch, which also shows Trump slightly ahead.