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URL: http://www.redstate.com/jaycaruso/2016/07/24/16-years-ago-william-f.-buckley-wrote-donald-trump-eerily-accurate/

by: Jay Caruso



There has been a lot of discussion in the last several months over whether not several conservative icons would be supporting Donald Trump for President. William F.  Buckley, the founder of National Review and host of Firing Line said during the 1964 GOP primary that his rule was to support the "most rightward viable candidate." That has often been turned into "the most conservative, electable candidate."

Andrew Breitbart in 2011 said of Donald Trump, "Of course Donald Trump is not a conservative. He was for Nancy Pelosi before he was against her." Breitbart was famous shortly before his death in 2012 for his "Two Paths" speech at the CPAC convention. His speech reiterated his support for the GOP nominee, whoever it was, at a time when many conservatives were questioning supporting Mitt Romney.

We can all venture a guess but since both men are dead, we'll never really know if they'd support Trump. Like Andrew Breitbart, Willam F. Buckley wrote something about Donald Trump when he was talking about running for President -- in 2000. Buckley, in an essay he wrote for  Cigar Aficionado and said the following about Trump:

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Look for the narcissist. The most obvious target in today’s lineup is, of course, Donald Trump. When he looks at a glass, he is mesmerized by its reflection. If Donald Trump were shaped a little differently, he would compete for Miss America. But whatever the depths of self-enchantment, the demagogue has to say something. So what does Trump say? That he is a successful businessman and that that is what America needs in the Oval Office. There is some plausibility in this, though not much. The greatest deeds of American Presidents — midwifing the new republic; freeing the slaves; harnessing the energies and vision needed to win the Cold War — had little to do with a bottom line.

Wow. He wrote this sixteen years ago. And think about it. Some of our most pressing concerns right now have to do with foreign policy and and national security. Trump's business acumen, however questionable, is worthless in such cases.

And he wasn't finished:

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In the final analysis, just as the king might look down with terminal disdain upon a courtier whose hypocrisy repelled him, so we have no substitute for relying on the voter to exercise a quiet veto when it becomes more necessary to discourage cynical demagogy, than to advance free health for the kids. That can come later, in another venue; the resistance to a corrupting demagogy should take first priority.

Finally, he illuminated Trump's narcissism by comparing him with Steve Forbes:

 
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  So what else can Trump offer us? Well to begin with, a self-financed campaign. Does it follow that all who finance their own campaigns are narcissists? At this writing Steve Forbes has spent $63 million in pursuit of the Republican nomination. Forbes is an evangelist, not an exhibitionist. In his long and sober private career, Steve Forbes never bought a casino, and if he had done so, he would not have called it Forbes’s Funhouse. His motivations are discernibly selfless. . .

Buckley, a New Yorker, had more of an insight into Trump than others. At the time Trump wasn't known to the rest of the country beyond people knew he was some rich businessman. Buckley however, was privy to the nonsense Trump engaged within NYC and Buckley was just well aware of it.

Whatever it was, he had Trump pegged.

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Maybe the old Firing Line shows are at youtube and I should watch them. I did read one of his books, I know he largely defined conservatism.

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[W]hat does Trump say? That he is a successful businessman and that that is what America needs in the Oval Office. There is some plausibility in this, though not much. The greatest deeds of American Presidents — midwifing the new republic; freeing the slaves; harnessing the energies and vision needed to win the Cold War — had little to do with a bottom line.---William F. Buckley, Jr.

Word.


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Great article.

Thanks for posting this @SirLinksALot



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Was an usual kid, watching Firing Line at age 10.  Kind of jump started my fascination and obsession with politics.

WFB was almost singularly the only well known pundit speaking out against JFK/LBJ's Great Society, and other similar issues of the day.
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Accurate assessment by WFB.

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Maybe the old Firing Line shows are at youtube and I should watch them. I did read one of his books, I know he largely defined conservatism.

I could only find a few on you tube.  While searching for them  i found this video I posted here.... http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?action=post;quote=985650;topic=217314.0 

which I found very interesting and worth a look when you have some time.
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In the 30 odd years I've been watching Trump the most stable thing about him has been the fact that he's an obnoxious unstable clown.

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Maybe the old Firing Line shows are at youtube and I should watch them. I did read one of his books, I know he largely defined conservatism.

The classic Firing Line debate between William F. Buckley, Jr. and Ronald Reagan on the Panama Canal
treaties, 1978 (Former Sen. Sam Ervin moderates.)
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(Participants in this debate also included National Review legend James Burnham; George F. Will; Patrick Buchanan; and Admiral
Elmo Zumwalt, among others.)
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This article reminds me of how much I miss the great conservative minds of the past. There are but a handful around anymore.

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I don't mind the conservatives who say "well, he's the nominee...I don't like it, but we can't let Hillary in." That rationalization I can understand. It's got me a little indecisive as well although I'm mostly in the noTrump camp.
But the people who really believe Trump is some sort of savior of the Republic is very baffling. How can they look at his past and think he's any kind of savior other than of his money?  :pondering:

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I don't mind the conservatives who say "well, he's the nominee...I don't like it, but we can't let Hillary in." That rationalization I can understand. It's got me a little indecisive as well although I'm mostly in the noTrump camp.
But the people who really believe Trump is some sort of savior of the Republic is very baffling. How can they look at his past and think he's any kind of savior other than of his money?  :pondering:

I also share this thinking.

If you've noticed, his supporters went from selling him as the next Coolidge/Reagan to now simply telling us we must vote for him to keep Hillary out. When Nov comes and if, and that's a big if, I do decide to vote for him, it'll be for that reason only. I'm under no illusion who he really is.

Both Trump and Hillary share many of the same domestic policy beliefs. Economically and fiscally, they are very similar. The one advantage I would give Trump is national security unless proven otherwise
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The one advantage I would give Trump is national security unless proven otherwise

The other one is this specific promise he made in his speech -- HE WILL NOMINATE JUDGES IN THE MOULD OF ANTONIN SCALIA.

The above of course is very dependent, on his record of keeping his word.

Other than that, you are right, his defenders' main defense is the scare tactic --- Vote for Trump because the alternative is Hillary.


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The other one is this specific promise he made in his speech -- HE WILL NOMINATE JUDGES IN THE MOULD OF ANTONIN SCALIA.

The above of course is very dependent, on his record of keeping his word.

Other than that, you are right, his defenders' main defense is the scare tactic --- Vote for Trump because the alternative is Hillary.

Another one of his specific promises is full support of the 2nd amendment.



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Maybe the old Firing Line shows are at youtube and I should watch them. I did read one of his books, I know he largely defined conservatism.

If you really want some fun find the debate between Buckley and Gore Vidal in '68. Vidal calls Buckley a Cripto Nazi and Buckley responds by calling Vidal a Queer.

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We can all venture a guess but since both men are dead, we'll never really know if they'd support Trump. Like Andrew Breitbart, Willam F. Buckley wrote something about Donald Trump when he was talking about running for President -- in 2000. Buckley, in an essay he wrote for  Cigar Aficionado and said the following about Trump:



The Entire Article by Buckley:  Published March/April 2000 POLITICS The Demagogues Are Running


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I don't mind the conservatives who say "well, he's the nominee...I don't like it, but we can't let Hillary in." That rationalization I can understand. It's got me a little indecisive as well although I'm mostly in the noTrump camp.
But the people who really believe Trump is some sort of savior of the Republic is very baffling. How can they look at his past and think he's any kind of savior other than of his money?  :pondering:

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Wow. He wrote this sixteen years ago. And think about it. Some of our most pressing concerns right now have to do with foreign policy and and national security. Trump's business acumen, however questionable, is worthless in such cases.


His business "acumen" is worthless in any case in the Oval Office. Government does not and cannot operate like a business.

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The other one is this specific promise he made in his speech -- HE WILL NOMINATE JUDGES IN THE MOULD OF ANTONIN SCALIA.


No he won't. He was dissing Scalia just this past December. Trump wants liberal judges who agree with him on things like full-throated full-boar motion on LGBT rights. You will bank that cake and hand over the kids, or else.

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The Entire Article by Buckley:  Published March/April 2000 POLITICS The Demagogues Are Running

Trenchant finish to the article:

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In other ages, one paid court to the king. Now we pay court to the people. In the final analysis, just as the king
might look down with terminal disdain upon a courtier whose hypocrisy repelled him, so we have no substitute for relying
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No he won't. He was dissing Scalia just this past December. Trump wants liberal judges who agree with him on things like full-throated full-boar motion on LGBT rights. You will bank that cake and hand over the kids, or else.

Trump has been nothing but a big throbbing sack of orange dishonesty.

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The classic Firing Line debate between William F. Buckley, Jr. and Ronald Reagan on the Panama Canal
treaties, 1978 (Former Sen. Sam Ervin moderates.)
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(Participants in this debate also included National Review legend James Burnham; George F. Will; Patrick Buchanan; and Admiral
Elmo Zumwalt, among others.)

I think the only mistake Buckley made in his defense of signing the treaties...is that he couldn't forsee Bill Clinton totally pulling the U.S. military our of Panama and then turning a blind eye as the ChiComs moved in and took over.
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