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Re: Patrick Buchanan: Ted Cruz and the Trump Takeover
« Reply #25 on: July 25, 2016, 04:43:22 am »
Wow some of you live in la la land. 

Hillary gets no free pass except in the mind of the koolaid drinking Cruz/never Trump people.

You just cannot be paying attention to real events and believe this.

It is quite stunning. They've built this artificial NeverTrump construct and they worship at its idol...the "Chosen One" Ted Cruz. From that place of central worship, any and all fantasies they can imagine...to include bizarre Nazi and Commie dangers along with Gordian conspiracy theories of political collusion, Yetis, and infiltration of the party by little green aliens.

It's a groupthink morphology that literally has made a fantasy world that only the NeverTrump believers can see...because only they are smart enough, moral enough, and have Ralphie's secret Ovaltine Decoder ring.
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Re: Patrick Buchanan: Ted Cruz and the Trump Takeover
« Reply #26 on: July 25, 2016, 04:55:58 am »
“Buchanan winks at barbarism in his new book,” Trump wrote. “There is no other way to describe his views. Buchanan argues that we should have ignored Hitler’s rampage to Eastern Europe during World War II. Hitler meant us no harm, Buchanan says. The same man who argued forcefully — and in my opinion correctly — that we should not give an inch during the Cold War is now saying in effect that Hitler should have been appeased.”

“Buchanan has enjoyed a long psychic friendship with Hitler, whom he has called ‘an individual of great courage, a soldier’s soldier and a leader steeped in the history of Europe,'” Trump wrote. “He also warns his followers that the United States is controlled by Jews, especially regarding foreign policy. On slow days, he attacks gays, immigrants, welfare recipients, even Zulus. When cornered, he says he’s misunderstood.”

“Buchanan is rewriting history and spreading fear for one purpose: To gain political power,” Trump wrote toward the end of his piece. “That makes him a very dangerous man.”


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Re: Patrick Buchanan: Ted Cruz and the Trump Takeover
« Reply #27 on: July 25, 2016, 04:59:03 am »
It is quite stunning. They've built this artificial NeverTrump construct and they worship at its idol...the "Chosen One" Ted Cruz. From that place of central worship, any and all fantasies they can imagine...to include bizarre Nazi and Commie dangers along with Gordian conspiracy theories of political collusion, Yetis, and infiltration of the party by little green aliens.

It's a groupthink morphology that literally has made a fantasy world that only the NeverTrump believers can see...because only they are smart enough, moral enough, and have Ralphie's secret Ovaltine Decoder ring.

There is also a theme of "conservatives as victims" running through it. They represent a narrow but loud appeal.

Complete absence of introspection; e.g. "Where did we miss the mark? What could we have done better?

And no recognition that Trump identified a vacuum, and filled it. A changed paradigm.   
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Re: Patrick Buchanan: Ted Cruz and the Trump Takeover
« Reply #28 on: July 25, 2016, 05:02:08 am »
The RINO establishment is now married to the "outsider" Trump. Wince Creepus is now a "superstar" according to Herr Orange and they made McConnell King of the Convention.

So much for "anti-establishment".


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Re: Patrick Buchanan: Ted Cruz and the Trump Takeover
« Reply #29 on: July 25, 2016, 05:12:45 am »
That visual really does depict what happened.....


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Re: Patrick Buchanan: Ted Cruz and the Trump Takeover
« Reply #30 on: July 25, 2016, 05:29:40 am »

You mentioning...."A changed paradigm" is very important to identify and far more significant than most see or understand.  Which is why
they're still stuck in the Cruz never/Trump mode.  I was stuck there for a while and could even easily defend it to myself. .....until it wasn't suiting reality. I think even that angered me when I realized where I was at, how the race actually was forming, and why.  I didn't see it coming nor could I identify it..... It was troublesome as I was a square peg trying to somehow fill a round hole! and no adjustment was working.  It's not a place I want to visit again, that's for sure!

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Re: Patrick Buchanan: Ted Cruz and the Trump Takeover
« Reply #31 on: July 25, 2016, 05:46:15 am »

Ya ever hear the one about the southern girl that when subjected to a lot of outrageous bragging about what her daddy gave and taught her, from a spoiled,rich prep school girl simply replied "That's Nice!" Well after a bit the rich girl wound down and asked the southern girl what she learned from her daddy and the southern girl replied that her daddy taught her to say "that's Nice" instead of "F' You". In our current political situation Trump is the spoiled rich girl, and the #NeverTrumps are the southern girl. I will stick with the person with courage and conviction, it's Ted all the way.

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Re: Patrick Buchanan: Ted Cruz and the Trump Takeover
« Reply #32 on: July 25, 2016, 06:05:23 am »
You mentioning...."A changed paradigm" is very important to identify and far more significant than most see or understand.  Which is why
they're still stuck in the Cruz never/Trump mode.  I was stuck there for a while and could even easily defend it to myself. .....until it wasn't suiting reality. I think even that angered me when I realized where I was at, how the race actually was forming, and why.  I didn't see it coming nor could I identify it..... It was troublesome as I was a square peg trying to somehow fill a round hole! and no adjustment was working.  It's not a place I want to visit again, that's for sure!
For you and the trumpster brigade. If our votes don't matter, why are you attacking those of us who aren't going to vote for tRump? Why are you all still attacking Ted Cruz?

What is it about our NOT voting for a New York Liberal that you don't understand?

You aren't going to change any minds, you aren't going to win any hearts. Your candidate is not an acceptable POTUS candidate. Neither is the Criminal the Democrats are running. We are not going to vote for either one.

You say you supported Cruz but saw the light. Whatever.
If I had a dime for every comment I have read on the web from someone who 'supported Cruz, BUT...', I'd be richer than Trump.
You jumped on the bandwagon. Have a nice ride. Bon Voyage!
I hope you enjoy where it takes you, but some of us just aren't going that way.
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Re: Patrick Buchanan: Ted Cruz and the Trump Takeover
« Reply #33 on: July 25, 2016, 06:14:43 am »
It is quite stunning. They've built this artificial NeverTrump construct and they worship at its idol...the "Chosen One" Ted Cruz. From that place of central worship, any and all fantasies they can imagine...to include bizarre Nazi and Commie dangers along with Gordian conspiracy theories of political collusion, Yetis, and infiltration of the party by little green aliens.

It's a groupthink morphology that literally has made a fantasy world that only the NeverTrump believers can see...because only they are smart enough, moral enough, and have Ralphie's secret Ovaltine Decoder ring.
Wow. For those of us who have been tracking the criminal activity of Cankles since her whitewater days, when amateurish cover-ups created dead bodies in strange places and circumstances, and who have followed her criminal career, I think nothing could be more Bogus. Have you subjected Trump's dealings to any similar scrutiny? Oh, WALL!

No, you haven't. Where is the Trump Princess? Why? How many times did he spend the night on the boat at sea? In your fantasy world, there is this billionaire straight-shooter who never was a politician (he just rented them, 'cause they won't stay bought), never stiffed anyone on a contract, and never tried to take anyone else's land. He stayed faithful to his wives, well, until he didn't. His nannies and tutors did a fine job of raising his (registered Democrat) kids. Keep smoking what you are smoking, but I don't want any.
You have made your choice, and I and many others have made ours. You aren't going to badger us into changing our minds.

Now about that Clinton, If you would harp on her instead of conservatives, maybe we could all agree about something. But as long as you are attacking conservatives, y'all aren't any better than she is.
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Re: Patrick Buchanan: Ted Cruz and the Trump Takeover
« Reply #34 on: July 25, 2016, 06:19:20 am »
There is also a theme of "conservatives as victims" running through it. They represent a narrow but loud appeal.

Complete absence of introspection; e.g. "Where did we miss the mark? What could we have done better?

And no recognition that Trump identified a vacuum, and filled it. A changed paradigm.
With or without Ted Cruz, Trump doesn't cut the mustard. Period. The only 'changed paradigm' is that the GOP has pulled back the veil and given us it's liberal meth mouth smile--and the middle finger, again. Enough is enough.
You folks hate Cruz because he exposes the ersatz conservatives of the GOPe for what they are: Fakes, just like the candidate they chose.

Now come back in six months and show me why I am wrong, if you can.

In the meantime, it isn't lalaland, it is time to work on a viable third party.
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Re: Patrick Buchanan: Ted Cruz and the Trump Takeover
« Reply #35 on: July 25, 2016, 06:44:54 am »
Ya ever hear the one about the southern girl that when subjected to a lot of outrageous bragging about what her daddy gave and taught her, from a spoiled,rich prep school girl simply replied "That's Nice!" Well after a bit the rich girl wound down and asked the southern girl what she learned from her daddy and the southern girl replied that her daddy taught her to say "that's Nice" instead of "F' You". In our current political situation Trump is the spoiled rich girl, and the #NeverTrumps are the southern girl. I will stick with the person with courage and conviction, it's Ted all the way.

Totally, and Ted is fighting the good fight.  He is fighting to help true conservatives on the under ticket.

I believed and still believe that, had we chosen Ted, we could have had a reformed and conservative Republican Party in a couple of election cycles.

Don't know how long it will be now.
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Re: Patrick Buchanan: Ted Cruz and the Trump Takeover
« Reply #36 on: July 25, 2016, 06:48:21 am »
Trumpism is not a real thing, it is smoke, you can't hold onto it. It is a myth, a really stupid one, and it does not survive Trump.

Trumpism cannot exist without Trump. It cannot be led by Ivanka or Eric or Tiffany or Barron.

It is a cult of personality, there is no set beliefs and no principles that is Trumpism.

Trumpism dies with the Trump campaign or with Trump later on.

It is a pure cult.

Conservatism will survive. Conservatism doesn't need a figurehead. Conservatism doesn't need a leader.

Conservatism will survive.



Quite right. Conservatism is a philosophy; Trumpism is a bizarre combover.
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Re: Patrick Buchanan: Ted Cruz and the Trump Takeover
« Reply #37 on: July 25, 2016, 10:07:18 am »
[...] the #NeverTrumps are the southern girl. I will stick with the person with courage and conviction, it's Ted all the way.

An apt analogy, if there ever was one.


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Re: Patrick Buchanan: Ted Cruz and the Trump Takeover
« Reply #38 on: July 25, 2016, 03:19:20 pm »


Things are imploding for both parties.

Ted Cruz.....you have our support!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Patrick Buchanan: Ted Cruz and the Trump Takeover
« Reply #39 on: July 25, 2016, 03:23:03 pm »
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And no recognition that Trump identified a vacuum, and filled it. A changed paradigm.

That paradigm shift was a hard left.

Hell yeah, we far right conservatives are going to scream bloody murder.  Where's DJT's plan to address the $19T debt? 
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Re: Patrick Buchanan: Ted Cruz and the Trump Takeover
« Reply #40 on: July 25, 2016, 03:28:04 pm »
That paradigm shift was a hard left.

Hell yeah, we far right conservatives are going to scream bloody murder.  Where's DJT's plan to address the $19T debt?

If my calculations are correct, he'll turn it into $30T by the end of his first four years.
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Re: Patrick Buchanan: Ted Cruz and the Trump Takeover
« Reply #41 on: July 25, 2016, 03:39:38 pm »
Smokin' Joe asks:
"For you and the trumpster brigade. If our votes don't matter, why are you attacking those of us who aren't going to vote for tRump?"

Because you're still going to be here after Mr. Trump is elected.

What are you going to do then?

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Re: Patrick Buchanan: Ted Cruz and the Trump Takeover
« Reply #42 on: July 25, 2016, 04:25:44 pm »
Smokin' Joe asks:
"For you and the trumpster brigade. If our votes don't matter, why are you attacking those of us who aren't going to vote for tRump?"

Because you're still going to be here after Mr. Trump is elected.
So are the Democrats, the Socialists, the Communists--and you aren't attacking them. That's telling.

What are you going to do then?
Work on a third party if he gets elected, and likely do the same even if he doesn't.

If this is what the establishment GOP wants, and has modified the rules to protect, then after 40 years of being a Republican and trying to steer the party in the other direction (toward small government, fiscal responsibility, and fundamental morality), I really do not see any relief for me or other principled Conservatives.
That means neither of the current mainstream parties will provide relief and a return to the Constitutional principles of the Founders. We will not have a Republic that way, so other means of restoring the Constitutional limitations and duties of the Federal Government must be sought. I still prefer the ballot box to the final alternative, and knowing it will not happen overnight, but take a lot of hard work to make progress.
That starts with getting people to realize that the current government has taken more of their freedom than they know. Perhaps the American people will reject their birthright, and opt for totalitarianism.

If we die out without gaining ground or passing the torch of Liberty to another generation, so be it, but the attempt must be made.

If we fail, the American people will have embraced the misery they will bring upon themselves.
 
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Re: Patrick Buchanan: Ted Cruz and the Trump Takeover
« Reply #43 on: July 25, 2016, 04:37:57 pm »
Smokin' Joe asks:
"For you and the trumpster brigade. If our votes don't matter, why are you attacking those of us who aren't going to vote for tRump?"

Because you're still going to be here after Mr. Trump is elected.

What are you going to do then?

Discuss life through the prism of our faith, religious heritage, family, the Constitution and history.  Principled Conservatism, the very thing your party now boos and stands against.

That's what we are going to do here.

And in the meat world, prep for upcoming consequences and as Smokin Joe said - work to build another party.
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Re: Patrick Buchanan: Ted Cruz and the Trump Takeover
« Reply #44 on: July 25, 2016, 04:45:53 pm »
Is Pat referring to the pledge Trump said he would not honor on 3/29, the pledge Trump wanted Cruz to go by before all the vicious attacks on Cruz' wife?

I think Cruz was particularly gracious not to just tell Trump to commit physically difficult, if not impossible acts with himself.

^^^THIS^^^

The salient fact here is the self-evident DISHONESTY of the trumpbots.  They spin and mischaracterize - and ignore important facts.  Trump himself repudiated that pledge; and that pledge was to "support" - not provide fawning, fake personal endorsements of the man who slandered an opponent, smeared his wife and father.

Argument with cherry-picked facts is only propaganda and sophistry.  I'm interested in neither.

Nor am I interested in a candidate who can only present himself well with false constructs.  God the Donald is not only a false god; he's not even a real man.  He's a bottom-feeder of low intellect, too much money and great press; and the trumpbots, seduced by the hype, now go and regurgitate the false narrative and propaganda.

It's all a turnoff.  I will NOT vote for this sack of excrement.

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Re: Patrick Buchanan: Ted Cruz and the Trump Takeover
« Reply #45 on: July 25, 2016, 05:00:59 pm »
It is quite stunning. They've built this artificial NeverTrump construct and they worship at its idol...the "Chosen One" Ted Cruz. From that place of central worship, any and all fantasies they can imagine...to include bizarre Nazi and Commie dangers along with Gordian conspiracy theories of political collusion, Yetis, and infiltration of the party by little green aliens.

It's a groupthink morphology that literally has made a fantasy world that only the NeverTrump believers can see...because only they are smart enough, moral enough, and have Ralphie's secret Ovaltine Decoder ring.

 :beer:

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Re: Patrick Buchanan: Ted Cruz and the Trump Takeover
« Reply #46 on: July 25, 2016, 05:07:15 pm »
Dirty SOB ted Cruz presents keys for new handicap accessible home to wounded veteran Jack Zimmerman.



Ted Cruz must be destroyed to soothe the tender ego of the great and powerful Orange Glorious!

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Re: Patrick Buchanan: Ted Cruz and the Trump Takeover
« Reply #47 on: July 25, 2016, 05:08:05 pm »
Smokin' Joe asks:
"For you and the trumpster brigade. If our votes don't matter, why are you attacking those of us who aren't going to vote for tRump?"

Because you're still going to be here after Mr. Trump is elected.

What are you going to do then?

I take this as the most cognizant, most salient point of the post-RNC convention.

Brilliant!  :beer:

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Re: Patrick Buchanan: Ted Cruz and the Trump Takeover
« Reply #48 on: July 25, 2016, 05:11:40 pm »
Dirty SOB ted Cruz presents keys for new handicap accessible home to wounded veteran Jack Zimmerman.



Ted Cruz must be destroyed to soothe the tender ego of the great and powerful Orange Glorious!

Interesting side note: The Trump Organization is suing that Vet because he won't take a $68 offer on his home. They want to build a parking lot on the property.

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Re: Patrick Buchanan: Ted Cruz and the Trump Takeover
« Reply #49 on: July 25, 2016, 05:13:08 pm »
Interesting side note: The Trump Organization is suing that Vet because he won't take a $68 offer on his home. They want to build a parking lot on the property.

What are you heartless?

Limos gotta park somewhere!