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The Republican Primaries Were Stolen by Democrats
« on: July 20, 2016, 12:46:00 pm »
SOURCE: AMERICAN THINKER

URL: http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/07/republican_primaries_stolen_by_democrats.html

by: Julie Custer



Many conservatives favored different candidates in the primaries but now feel it's in the best interest of the Republican Party and the country, to get behind Trump as their nominee.  Planning to vote for Trump out of a sense of tradition or obligation is somewhat understandable.  Coming into this election cycle, the goal was, above all, to keep Hillary Clinton out of the Oval Office.  Beyond that, there were high hopes that a solid conservative, hopefully not an establishment puppet, would win the day.

Hillary, possibly the worst candidate in the DNC's history, solidified the feeling that this was the year conservatives would take back the White House and send the liberals packing.  Republicans know what they'll get with Mrs. Clinton at the helm, and the country is already in terrible shape.

So why are the #NeverTrumps not falling in line behind the Republicans' presumptive nominee?  Set Trump aside for a moment; there's important math to consider.

Michael Harrington has diligently pored over 24 years of election data.  His study uncovered a clear pattern of Democrat intrusion into the Republican primaries, by "strategically" voting for the opposition.

In open primary states, participants don't have to change their registration to vote the other party, and they've been voting for the enemy in staggering numbers.  In closed primary states, when their Democrat candidate of choice has a solid margin of victory, voters have nothing to lose by changing their registration to Republican – they have their cake and eat it, too.  Complicit Democrats sabotage the opposition by voting for the weakest Republican candidates, setting up a decided advantage for the Democrat nominee in the general election, and causing rancor and division among Republican voters.  What could be better?

It's often observed that Democrats will get behind even their most despicable politicians, while Republicans won't come out en masse for a candidate who doesn't specifically represent them, particularly on issues of religion, morality, and character.  Conservatives are justifiably hung up on integrity and honesty, traits Democrats regularly overlook (thus their nominee, Hillary Clinton).

On the right, conservatives can't fathom how or why they continue to get seriously flawed candidates for president, cycle after cycle.  "Strategic voting" is the type of dirty trick Republicans have come to expect from the DNC – lying, cheating, fraud-ridden, abhorrent behavior, the "win by any means and at any cost" mentality that conjured "super-delegates" to cement the win for their presumptive heir to the throne.

Mr. Harrington observed the "strategic voting" phenomenon in specific states in the '90s, and has since seen it balloon in scale to the national level.  He estimates that 12 million Democrats sabotaged the Republican primaries this spring with the following result:

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Using 2000 and 2008 as baselines, the conclusion was staggering.  Trump only got about 3.3 million Republican Votes.  The rest are Democrats, approximately 12 million of them[.] ... In any event our election was stolen.  Trump would be in fourth, or worse, without Democrats; he would probably only have won New York, and considering he would be doing so badly when that election happened, it is unlikely even there.  We have been tossed to the ground and electorally gang raped by Democrats.

His research explains a lot – how a lifelong Democrat, a donor and avid supporter of the Clintons, a corrupt crony capitalist with "New York values" – walked away the presumptive Republican nominee.  This data underscores the reason why, historically, the Republican Party has, excepting only the 1976 convention, recognized a delegate's right to vote his conscience on the convention floor.  Democrats, comparatively, bound their delegates for many years, in alignment with their Holy Grail – power.

Conservatives were set up.  Democrats know that Republicans abhor the appearance of impropriety and planned the perfect strategy to confuse and confound.  It's up to conservatives to use superior intellect, seek the truth, and uncover the facts.


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Re: The Republican Primaries Were Stolen by Democrats
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2016, 12:52:56 pm »
Very interesting read.
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Re: The Republican Primaries Were Stolen by Democrats
« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2016, 01:20:10 pm »
Crossovers throw things out of whack.

I don't know if population centers does too; New York or California will likely be blue states but nonetheless, they still have many Conservatives if one compares them to say low population states.

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Re: The Republican Primaries Were Stolen by Democrats
« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2016, 01:25:27 pm »
Those "crossover" voters from the primary are crossing back over to Clinton.

Trump backers convinced themselves of the myth of the Reagan Democrats without considering that the make up of the electorate, and the Democrat Party, is different than it was in the Reagan era
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Re: The Republican Primaries Were Stolen by Democrats
« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2016, 01:28:12 pm »
We saw democrats on our local news (Michigan) being interviewed and laughing at the fact that they voted for Trump because he would be easiest to beat.

It kind of backfired on Clinton and she ended up losing Michigan to Sanders.

Sad that the RNC shut down the Mike Lee proposal to support and encourage closing primaries.

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Re: The Republican Primaries Were Stolen by Democrats
« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2016, 01:31:32 pm »
I'm not surprised one iota.  It always seemed a bit fishy with all those stories emerging about democrats changing their party affiliation to "vote" for Trump in the primaries.  Of course, present that to a Trumpette, and the reaction will be one of absolute denial.  Their insistence is that Trump actually "converted" those 12,000,000 democrats.  Few have the organization skills of the left, who can turn out voters to disrupt the primary process of their opponents with the snap of a finger.

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Re: The Republican Primaries Were Stolen by Democrats
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2016, 01:32:55 pm »
Clearly states need to go back to closed primaries.

The GOP loves 'em open, though. They might be held accountable otherwise.

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Re: The Republican Primaries Were Stolen by Democrats
« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2016, 01:33:10 pm »
Article is complete and total BS from the open borders cheap labor crowd. Wake up. They want Hilary to win.
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Re: The Republican Primaries Were Stolen by Democrats
« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2016, 01:34:01 pm »
I'm not surprised one iota.  It always seemed a bit fishy with all those stories emerging about democrats changing their party affiliation to "vote" for Trump in the primaries.  Of course, present that to a Trumpette, and the reaction will be one of absolute denial.  Their insistence is that Trump actually "converted" those 12,000,000 democrats.  They don't have a grasp of the organization skills of the left, who can turn out voters to disrupt the primary process of their opponents with the snap of a finger.

It puts a different slant on the 'Trump brought em out in record numbers' brag, doesn't it.

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Re: The Republican Primaries Were Stolen by Democrats
« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2016, 01:35:31 pm »
I'm not surprised one iota.  It always seemed a bit fishy with all those stories emerging about democrats changing their party affiliation to "vote" for Trump in the primaries.  Of course, present that to a Trumpette, and the reaction will be one of absolute denial.  Their insistence is that Trump actually "converted" those 12,000,000 democrats.   They don't have a grasp of the organization skills of the left, who can turn out voters to disrupt the primary process of their opponents with the snap of a finger.

College campuses and union halls. Michigan has them in spades.

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Re: The Republican Primaries Were Stolen by Democrats
« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2016, 01:38:10 pm »
Of course, present that to a Trumpette, and the reaction will be one of absolute denial. 

Well we've already gotten one so far
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Re: The Republican Primaries Were Stolen by Democrats
« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2016, 01:43:38 pm »
Reality check for this BS cheap labor talking point. Trump won CLOSED Primaries too by same amounts in most cases. So use common sense and stop buying the BS from the cheap labor cartel.
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Re: The Republican Primaries Were Stolen by Democrats
« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2016, 02:04:00 pm »
From the writer cited in the OP's posted article:

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12 Million Democrats Voted In The Republican Primaries
By Michael Harrington*
RedState.com
http://www.redstate.com/diary/creinstein/2016/06/25/12-million-democrats-voted-republican-primaries/

After a lot of work I have finished my math calculations. A simple effort will show that from 2000 to 2008
there was a change in Primary votes of 10-12 million. Ten million more Republicans and 12 million less
Democrats. But this is child's play. Getting deeper, examining States with close polling prior to the registration
requirements, States with a clear winner in polls prior to registration change requirements, and you can set
patterns.

Using 2000 and 2008 as baselines, the conclusion was staggering. Trump only got about 3.3 million
Republican Votes. The rest are Democrats, approximately 12 million of them.

I also found via my studies by going back to 1992 that this behavior is not new, in fact even when there is
a tight contest about 5% will "strategically vote" in the Republican Party primary/caucus. Even more disturbing
is that it appears that there may be even a 5% not normally detectable, of Republicans who only vote
Democrat. Aka plants that we always knew existed.

In some circumstances the vote differences were so extreme that it defies explanation. Only for one election
did I not find good information, and that being an incumbent versus a challenger I could ignore it safely.

Of 31 million who voted in the Republican Primary 38% approximately were Democrats.

Even in Oregon, a Closed Primary, we saw 110,000 change registration in time, and my calculations are
approximately 80,000 voted for the perceived weakest candidates. They chose our Presidential Candidate,
they chose our US Senate Candidate, and they chose our Governor Candidate. Ironically they did not vote
strongly down ticket including for Secretary of State, and this assisted in my efforts to calculate the
percentage who actually voted versus those who did not.

I would like to break this down to precise, exacting numbers, with names, addresses, to do a full study.
I would love it if people would help me get voter registration lists for their States for 2014 and for 2016
after the Primary/Caucus in their State. I would like to demonstrate exact precision numbers to show how
horrific it is, and to demonstrate these people deliberately chose the weakest candidate.

In any event our election was stolen. Trump would be in fourth, or worse, without Democrats, he would
probably only have won New York and considering he would be doing so badly when that election happened
it is unlikely even there. We have been tossed to the ground and electorally gang raped by Democrats.

I am willing to talk in general on methods, but not results. I want independent verification of my efforts.
This is a challenge to Republican Mathematicians and pollsters.

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Re: The Republican Primaries Were Stolen by Democrats
« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2016, 02:07:13 pm »
Clearly states need to go back to closed primaries.

A few years ago California's Republican and Democratic state chairs sued to do just
that---and lost. The gag was that it was probably the first time California Republicans and
Democrats agreed on anything since approximately the Wilson administration (Woodrow,
that is), but the open primary system has been an abomination from the word go.

The GOP loves 'em open, though. They might be held accountable otherwise.

I don't know just how much the Republican Party "loves" open primaries, but it is true
that without them there'd have been a different GOP presidential candidate in 2008, at
least.


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Re: The Republican Primaries Were Stolen by Democrats
« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2016, 03:15:17 pm »
Clearly states need to go back to closed primaries.

The GOP loves 'em open, though. They might be held accountable otherwise.

Here are my proposals to reform the GOP primaries... that is, if we really want to gauge the will of Republican voters:

1) Primaries should be CLOSED to all but Republicans.

2) Primaries should all be by DIRECT, POPULAR votes.

3) Delegates should be PROPORTIONAL based on the percentage of votes a candidate gets for his/her state. So, if Trump wins South Carolina because he got the plurality (i.e. 32% ) of the popular votes, he gets the proportional number of delegates for South Carolina, not 100% of the state as he did.

Which means...

4) No more winner take all rules.

ADD YOUR OWN PROPOSALS HERE.... [Critiques/disagreements welcome, provided you give your reasons why]









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Re: The Republican Primaries Were Stolen by Democrats
« Reply #15 on: July 20, 2016, 03:35:11 pm »


ADD YOUR OWN PROPOSALS HERE.... [Critiques/disagreements welcome, provided you give your reasons why]


I would go further and would like to see states go proportional in the general election too. A couple years ago at the state convention in Michigan we voted overwhelmingly to support/endorse proportional electoral allocation in Michigan but nobody in the legislature would touch it and democrats screamed bloody murder at the idea.

If we give candidates only the electors won in each district it negates the power of Detroit and Flint to drag the whole state with them. It also negates a good reason to cheat in the usual places. (They can still create a billion votes if they want but if they only get one elector for that district cheating becomes pointless)

I'd love to nuke the 17th amendment .

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Re: The Republican Primaries Were Stolen by Democrats
« Reply #16 on: July 20, 2016, 04:24:31 pm »
Here are my proposals to reform the GOP primaries... that is, if we really want to gauge the will of Republican voters:

1) Primaries should be CLOSED to all but Republicans.

2) Primaries should all be by DIRECT, POPULAR votes.

3) Delegates should be PROPORTIONAL based on the percentage of votes a candidate gets for his/her state. So, if Trump wins South Carolina because he got the plurality (i.e. 32% ) of the popular votes, he gets the proportional number of delegates for South Carolina, not 100% of the state as he did.

Which means...

4) No more winner take all rules.

ADD YOUR OWN PROPOSALS HERE.... [Critiques/disagreements welcome, provided you give your reasons why]



Monday night at the Convention made all of that an impossibility.

Trump and the Dole Wing of the Establishment handed themselves absolute power and shut down any talk of closed primaries, grassroots influence or unapproved Establishment candidates from ever having a voice in the GOP.

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Re: The Republican Primaries Were Stolen by Democrats
« Reply #17 on: July 20, 2016, 04:38:04 pm »
Article is complete and total BS from the open borders cheap labor crowd. Wake up. They want Hilary to win.

I agree. They showed no proof of their contention. I studied open and closed primaries in 2008, and the claim by "conservatives" that democrats nominated McCain was patently false.

The 2016 GOP primary was entirely, completely closed. The most closed primary that can be. Only registered Republicans, no exceptions. Trump won 75%

The last gasper #nevertrumps are being led by Kristol, Romney, Bushx3 and a few others that are terrified to have lost control of their lobbying giant, and they won't go without whining.

Sadly too many gullible people keep falling for it. Does Kristol have another last minute idea ??

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Re: The Republican Primaries Were Stolen by Democrats
« Reply #18 on: July 20, 2016, 06:10:17 pm »
The 2016 GOP primary was entirely, completely closed. The most closed primary that can be. Only registered Republicans, no exceptions.

Eleven states have closed primaries---Delaware, Florida, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Nebraska,
New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Pennsylvania, and Wyoming.

Twelve states have semi-closed primaries; meaning, only registered party members can vote in
those parties' primaries, but they also allow voters to register or change parties on primary
day
---Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Iowa, Kansas, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, North
Carolina, Rhode Island, Utah, and West Virginia.

Eleven states have open primaries---Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Hawaii, Michigan, Minnesota,
Missouri, Montana, North Dakota, Vermont, and Wisconsin.

Two states have blanket non-partisan primaries -- California and Louisiana.

And with eleven states having open primaries, plus twelve having semi-closed in which voters
are allowed to change parties on primary day itself, and the two blanket non-partisan primaries,
we really don't know (even the aforesaid Mr. Harrington could only speculate based on certain
mathematical formulae), the actual, hard percentages of actual Republicans---as opposed to
primary-day party switchers---voting for whom; and, for that matter, we really don't know
the actual, hard percentages of actual Democrats voting for whom.

(Funny---we all know the mischief the Democrats are capable of, why would it be so far-fetched
for them to screw several pooches in order to screw the Republican pooch?)
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Re: The Republican Primaries Were Stolen by Democrats
« Reply #19 on: July 20, 2016, 07:33:50 pm »

Two states have blanket non-partisan primaries -- California and Louisiana.


Unfortunately your information is wrong. The 2016 GOP Primary for President was open ONLY to registered Republicans (by May 23, 2016), and that is a fact.

If have been a registered Republican voter here since around 1976, I receive and review all of the voter material, I took special notice of the CHANGE this year, whereby the Republican primary was CLOSED to all but registered Republicans.

Other offices, and parties were not closed. But President GOP was closed. Here is proof I know what I am talking about, and you do not.

http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/political-parties/no-party-preference
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Re: The Republican Primaries Were Stolen by Democrats
« Reply #20 on: July 20, 2016, 07:36:05 pm »
Reality check for this BS cheap labor talking point. Trump won CLOSED Primaries too by same amounts in most cases. So use common sense and stop buying the BS from the cheap labor cartel.

Like the closed primary in Pennsylvania, in which more 60,000 dems strategically changed their party affiliation to help set Trump up as the nom?  That "closed" primaries argument is a flimsy one.

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« Reply #21 on: July 20, 2016, 07:44:00 pm »
It puts a different slant on the 'Trump brought em out in record numbers' brag, doesn't it.

Yep!

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Re: The Republican Primaries Were Stolen by Democrats
« Reply #22 on: July 20, 2016, 07:52:52 pm »
Unfortunately your information is wrong. The 2016 GOP Primary for President was open ONLY to registered Republicans (by May 23, 2016), and that is a fact.

From your link:

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Modified Closed Primary System for Presidential Elections
California's current "modified" closed primary system for Presidential elections was chaptered on September 29, 2000 and took effect on January 1, 2001. Senate Bill 28 (Ch. 898, Stats. 2000) implemented a "modified" closed primary system that permitted voters who had declined to provide a political party preference (formerly known as "decline to state" voters) to participate in a primary election if authorized by an individual party's rules and duly noticed by the Secretary of State. (Emphasis added.)


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Re: The Republican Primaries Were Stolen by Democrats
« Reply #23 on: July 20, 2016, 07:53:19 pm »
Like the closed primary in Pennsylvania, in which more 60,000 dems strategically changed their party affiliation to help set Trump up as the nom?  That "closed" primaries argument is a flimsy one.

In Michigan you had to go in and ask for a ballot and they would give you a ballot for republican or democrat race and there was only the presidential race on them. There was nothing to prevent someone from voting one way or the other. Our primaries for house, senate, governor etc are in August and those you can't split a ticket.

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Re: The Republican Primaries Were Stolen by Democrats
« Reply #24 on: July 20, 2016, 08:35:17 pm »
Doesn't matter.

The Rules rammed through via "the grassroots" to empower Rience Priebus, McConnell and Dole's people for perpetuity have made open primaries a permanent fixture of the GOP.

They shot down the effort to close the primaries from Democrat infiltration.

Because the GOP and the Democrat party are one and the same.

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