Protests break out on convention floor after anti-Trump effort fails

[SirLinksALot]

SOURCE: CNN

URL: http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/18/politics/rnc-procedural-votes-rules-committee/

By Tal Kopan and Tom LoBianco, CNN


Cleveland (CNN)Loud cries of protest broke out on the floor of the Republican National Convention Monday after GOP officials dismissed a last-ditch effort by anti-Donald Trump groups to force an embarrassing protest vote against the RNC and the presumptive presidential nominee.

A group of anti-Trump delegates submitted signatures to try to force a vote on the rules of the convention -- a procedure normally done quietly at the start of each convention.

The rules were adopted by voice vote shortly after 4 p.m., then after frantic protests, a second voice vote was taken as Trump opponents shouted repeatedly for a roll call vote. The convention chairman then said there were not enough signatures to force the roll call.

Opponents of the rules package were backed by Ted Cruz allies including Virginia's Ken Cuccinelli and Utah Sen. Mike Lee. They have been fighting to change the procedures for the 2020 presidential election, including trying to close primaries and caucuses from non-Republicans. Such a move would presumably help a party favorite like Cruz, who lose to the outsider Trump this year.

Lee told CNN's Dana Bash the protest wasn't about sour grapes.

"No, absolutely not, this is about the rules of the convention," Lee said, as protesters shouted around him. "This is about the future of the party... This is not about Donald Trump, this is about having a good, fair rules process.

"We are always looking, as conservatives, to make sure that our rules are good to make sure we have good candidates in the future. I would like to have conservative candidates in the future. This is not about this year, it's not about any one year," he said.
Lee said the fight doesn't demonstrate the party is divided.

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[geronl]

They did not fail. They had enough signatures.

The RNC flat out lied and violated its own rules.

[Gov Bean Counter]

They did not fail. They had enough signatures.

The RNC flat out lied and violated its own rules.

Every strong armed move makes it more likely that Trump delegates will abstain and deny him the required number of delegates to secure the nomination.

This ain't like pulling people into Trump Towers and having them look across the table of Trump's version of Luca Brasi so Trump can make that "good deal".

[geronl]

A good time for Cruz to say he won't speak to a convention that violates its own rules

[skeeter]

"Such a move would presumably help a party favorite like Cruz, who lose to the outsider Trump this year."

Bullshat. Its exactly the other way around.

[Mechanicos]

They did not fail. They had enough signatures.

The RNC flat out lied and violated its own rules.

Was the above the beginning of a new fiction novel? Because the ROAR of the Trump supporters yelling AYE caused fear in the eyes of some behind Lee when they realized just how tiny the anti-Trump movement really was. It was so loud the audio system had a hard time handling it.

I'm looking forward to seeing a screen grab gif of the look on the Anti's faces when they heard the Aye Roar.

[INVAR]

Every strong armed move makes it more likely that Trump delegates will abstain and deny him the required number of delegates to secure the nomination.

Even if that was done, the RNC will simply 'deem' that Trump has all the delegates needed.

Welcome to what a coup looks like in the political sense.

Now we have to make sure that the GOP is destroyed and all Conservatives abandon it for the Constitution or Libertarian Parties if we want our ideology to survive at all and not be corrupted into NYC Trump Liberalism.

[GrouchoTex]

So what's next?
Is Trump (or anyone else) going to be speaking to a 1/2 to 2/3's empty hall?

[geronl]

So what's next?
Is Trump (or anyone else) going to be speaking to a 1/2 to 2/3's empty hall?

It would be a good time for Ted Cruz to announce he won't speak to a convention that violates its own rules.

[libertybele]

Even if that was done, the RNC will simply 'deem' that Trump has all the delegates needed.

Welcome to what a coup looks like in the political sense.

Now we have to make sure that the GOP is destroyed and all Conservatives abandon it for the Constitution or Libertarian Parties if we want our ideology to survive at all and not be corrupted into NYC Trump Liberalism.

A political coup is exactly what happened!  It doesn't matter if we abandon the GOP and vote for the Constitution or Libertarian Parties -- I am pretty darn sure those votes won't be counted!!!  Why would they?? 

[geronl]

delegates are reporting that they are being cornered and berated and coerced into withdrawing their signatures

[INVAR]

delegates are reporting that they are being cornered and berated and coerced into withdrawing their signatures

That's what will be the norm under Il Douche, and his Squadrisi are happy to carry out the thuggishness.

[GrouchoTex]

delegates are reporting that they are being cornered and berated and coerced into withdrawing their signatures

Wow!

[Gov Bean Counter]

Wow!

Which is what you get when your campaign is run by a Russian mob consigliere.

[RetBobbyMI]

A good time for Cruz to say he won't speak to a convention that violates its own rules

I was just going to say that too.  It would show how divided the party really is.

[RetBobbyMI]

delegates are reporting that they are being cornered and berated and coerced into withdrawing their signatures

The same tactics as thugs and terrorists.

[Mesaclone]

delegates are reporting that they are being cornered and berated and coerced into withdrawing their signatures

Were they conered AND berated...or berated and then placed in a corner. Or were they coerced into a corner with berating, or cornered with coercion and THEN berated. Although, there's really not a lot of corners in the building, so I'm guessing the cornering was more "rounding", in which case the berating doesn't seem quite so bad.

Seriously, they got a talking to on the floor of a political convention...that's democracy at its grass roots level. They did a voice vote and got blown away as they were a tiny minority disrupting everyone else's work by being obnoxious, childish and petulant. They got to put their issue forward, their was a parliamentary voice vote, and they lost. That's how democracy on the floor works in our Republic.

[INVAR]

Were they conered AND berated...or berated and then placed in a corner. Or were they coerced into a corner with berating, or cornered with coercion and THEN berated. Although, there's really not a lot of corners in the building, so I'm guessing the cornering was more "rounding", in which case the berating doesn't seem quite so bad.

Seriously, they got a talking to on the floor of a political convention...that's democracy at its grass roots level. They did a voice vote and got blown away as they were a tiny minority disrupting everyone else's work by being obnoxious, childish and petulant. They got to put their issue forward, their was a parliamentary voice vote, and they lost. That's how democracy on the floor works in our Republic.

You're so orgasmically tied to your political savior that you cannot even comprehend that what was just done with that voice vote was to take any and all power the grassroots would have had in terms of influencing the rules for the GOP (not just for Trump), and put it into the sole power and authority of Priebus and Trump, making the Establishment not only stronger - but invincible.

Manafort and Trump made the deal to ensure the entrenchment of the Ruling Class Oligarchy was permanent.  Perhaps McConnell will address it during his prime time speech to his subjects.

And you have the audacity to say that this is how 'Democracy on the floor works in "our" Republic"??????

Wrong, that's how corruption and despotism operates in your tyranny.

And how proud you are.

[Suppressed]

put it into the sole power and authority of Priebus and Trump, making the Establishment not only stronger - but invincible.

Manafort and Trump made the deal to ensure the entrenchment of the Ruling Class Oligarchy was permanent.  Perhaps McConnell will address it during his prime time speech to his subjects.

And you have the audacity to say that this is how 'Democracy on the floor works in "our" Republic"??????

Wrong, that's how corruption and despotism operates in your tyranny.

Nailed it.

Sad times.

I think half of Trump supporters are totally clueless about what they've done.

[libertybele]

It would be a good time for Ted Cruz to announce he won't speak to a convention that violates its own rules.

He needs to really think of what his next move is.  Does he stick with the party?  Does he quit the Senate??  Does he gear up to run 3rd party in 2020? I don't think even Cruz saw this one coming.

[libertybele]

You're so orgasmically tied to your political savior that you cannot even comprehend that what was just done with that voice vote was to take any and all power the grassroots would have had in terms of influencing the rules for the GOP (not just for Trump), and put it into the sole power and authority of Priebus and Trump, making the Establishment not only stronger - but invincible.

Manafort and Trump made the deal to ensure the entrenchment of the Ruling Class Oligarchy was permanent.  Perhaps McConnell will address it during his prime time speech to his subjects.

And you have the audacity to say that this is how 'Democracy on the floor works in "our" Republic"??????

Wrong, that's how corruption and despotism operates in your tyranny.

And how proud you are.

 

[INVAR]

Nailed it.

Sad times.

I think half of Trump supporters are totally clueless about what they've done.

Even if they do, they don't care.

This is about vengeance and punishment and sating their stoked grievances on whom they blame for all ills, and they are happy to grow government or empower a dictator to do it, as long as Trump is THEIR dictator.

Or as one member here put it: 'their Lucifer'.

[Doug Loss]

A political coup is exactly what happened!  It doesn't matter if we abandon the GOP and vote for the Constitution or Libertarian Parties -- I am pretty darn sure those votes won't be counted!!!  Why would they??

I believe the proper term is "putsch."

[bilo]

It would be a good time for Ted Cruz to announce he won't speak to a convention that violates its own rules.

He can't do it!

A 3rd party candidate doesn't have a chance. All a 3rd party candidate can do is act as a spoiler, or a protest vote. What Sen Cruz can do is give a speech explaining how he has always fought the entrenched interests and fights for conservatism. In 2020 he runs again and we fight even harder for him.

All the strong arm tactics did was reconfirm the importance of not voting for Trump regardless of who the other party nominates. 

[RetBobbyMI]

He can't do it!

A 3rd party candidate doesn't have a chance. All a 3rd party candidate can do is act as a spoiler, or a protest vote. What Sen Cruz can do is give a speech explaining how he has always fought the entrenched interests and fights for conservatism. In 2020 he runs again and we fight even harder for him.

All the strong arm tactics did was reconfirm the importance of not voting for Trump regardless of who the other party nominates.

I guess you are not a student of political history. In 1860, there was a third party in only its second election cycle. They had a hard time unifying around a single candidate until they eventually settled on a young lawyer from Illinois who went on the win the election. Tell Abe Lincoln that third parties can't win.