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Court blocks Virginia delegate law!
« on: July 11, 2016, 08:28:57 pm »
Court blocks Virginia delegate law

This matter is before the Court following a bench trial on
the merits of the FIRST AMENDED VERIFIED CLASS ACTION COMPLAINT
FOR INJUNCTIVE AND DECLARATORY RELIEF (the "Amended Complaint")
(ECF No. 20) filed by Carroll Boston Correll, Jr. C'Correll").
For the reasons, and to the extent, set forth below, judgment
including declaratory and injunctive relief will be entered for
Correll.

Virginia delegates are no longer bound to specific candidates.  This ruling will make it easier for delegates from other states to unbind as well.
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Re: Court blocks Virginia delegate law!
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2016, 08:31:47 pm »
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Re: Court blocks Virginia delegate law!
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2016, 08:38:25 pm »
SCOTUS ruled in 81 that a State can't override party rules on the matter and as the party rules state delegates are unbound, this is just more reinforcement.

Things may get interesting. This may make others more bold in freeing delegates and them more bold in how they vote.
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« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2016, 08:41:40 pm »


This is a Federal Court ruling.
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Re: Court blocks Virginia delegate law!
« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2016, 08:46:59 pm »
Just one week before the convention.
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« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2016, 08:49:32 pm »
Quote from: GrouchoTex on July 11, 2016, 08:46:59 pm
Just one week before the convention.

And just in time for the rules committee to make it official. Reported earlier they have enough votes on the rules committee to officially unbind them. They just need to put pen to paper.

Of course, that will require some bold moves as generally the status quo wins out.
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Re: Court blocks Virginia delegate law!
« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2016, 08:49:45 pm »
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« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2016, 08:50:16 pm »
Quote from: GrouchoTex on July 11, 2016, 08:46:59 pm
Just one week before the convention.

Time for Manafort to call out his Ukrainian, er, ah "associates"...
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Re: Court blocks Virginia delegate law!
« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2016, 08:51:38 pm »
Its a foolish unenforceable law.

You can no more jail a delegate for voting against the will of the voters than you can jail a congressman. Elected people are elected to represent, not rubber stamp.
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Re: Court blocks Virginia delegate law!
« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2016, 08:53:28 pm »
Wasn't there a blurb somewhere that Hillary's campaign was working to make sure this ruling did not happen the way it came down??

Which continues to lend credence to Trump being just her stalking horse if that be the case.
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Re: Court blocks Virginia delegate law!
« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2016, 08:54:47 pm »
Quote from: INVAR on July 11, 2016, 08:53:28 pm
Wasn't there a blurb somewhere that Hillary's campaign was working to make sure this ruling did not happen the way it came down??

Which continues to lend credence to Trump being just her stalking horse if that be the case.

That is interesting.
I hadn't heard that about the Dems.
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Re: Court blocks Virginia delegate law!
« Reply #11 on: July 11, 2016, 09:13:17 pm »
Quote from: INVAR on July 11, 2016, 08:53:28 pm
Wasn't there a blurb somewhere that Hillary's campaign was working to make sure this ruling did not happen the way it came down??

Which continues to lend credence to Trump being just her stalking horse if that be the case.


I did see that blurb on Twitter..
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« Reply #12 on: July 11, 2016, 09:15:42 pm »
Quote from: Gov Bean Counter on July 11, 2016, 08:50:16 pm
Time for Manafort to call out his Ukrainian, er, ah "associates"...

His Ukrainian associates are all Putinistas
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« Reply #13 on: July 11, 2016, 09:21:33 pm »
Quote from: geronl on July 11, 2016, 09:15:42 pm
His Ukrainian associates are all Putinistas



Trump riding as Putin's bitch
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Re: Court blocks Virginia delegate law!
« Reply #14 on: July 11, 2016, 09:23:02 pm »
Quote from: AbaraXas on July 11, 2016, 08:49:32 pm
And just in time for the rules committee to make it official. Reported earlier they have enough votes on the rules committee to officially unbind them. They just need to put pen to paper.

The ruling doesn't address state party rules concerning how delegates may be bound, so it doesn't actually "unbind" anybody -- it just says that states cannot make laws that bind delegates.

Nevertheless, it clears up previous rulings, and thus removes an important obstacle for freeing the delegates.

The other threshold is to get enough votes on the rules committee to release a "minority report" on the matter of either abstaining or unbinding delegates (I don't know which is the favored approach at the moment).  I believe that once a minority report reaches the floor of the convention it can be voted upon by the convention as a whole.
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« Reply #15 on: July 11, 2016, 09:24:07 pm »
Quote from: Wingnut on July 11, 2016, 09:21:33 pm


Trump riding as Putin's bitch

Donny would have taken his shirt off too, but he forgot his sports bro...
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Re: Court blocks Virginia delegate law!
« Reply #16 on: July 11, 2016, 09:24:22 pm »
Quote from: INVAR on July 11, 2016, 08:53:28 pm
Wasn't there a blurb somewhere that Hillary's campaign was working to make sure this ruling did not happen the way it came down??

Which continues to lend credence to Trump being just her stalking horse if that be the case.

Well, no... In Hillary's case I think they preferred state law to govern, as it makes it harder for Sanders delegates to lead a revolt.
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« Reply #17 on: July 11, 2016, 09:28:23 pm »
Quote from: Gov Bean Counter on July 11, 2016, 09:24:07 pm
Donny would have taken his shirt off too, but he forgot his sports bro...

 :beer:

Trump just got another endorsement:
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« Reply #18 on: July 11, 2016, 09:30:53 pm »
Quote from: Wingnut on July 11, 2016, 09:28:23 pm
:beer:

Trump just got another endorsement:


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« Reply #19 on: July 11, 2016, 10:01:21 pm »
I think the Palin term would be 'splodey'
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3448404/posts
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Re: Court blocks Virginia delegate law!
« Reply #20 on: July 11, 2016, 10:10:33 pm »
Quote from: AbaraXas on July 11, 2016, 10:01:21 pm
I think the Palin term would be 'splodey'
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3448404/posts


Well if the Freepers don't like it, I like it.. It was a good ruling.
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« Reply #21 on: July 11, 2016, 10:13:04 pm »
Quote from: AbaraXas on July 11, 2016, 10:01:21 pm
I think the Palin term would be 'splodey'
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3448404/posts


JimRob, better hope that his site is not being reported to the FBI cause of those comments.
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Re: Court blocks Virginia delegate law!
« Reply #22 on: July 11, 2016, 10:13:55 pm »
It's interesting they chose the First Amendment tack. I would've gone with the jurisdiction approach: Virginia law can't dictate what people do in Ohio.
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« Reply #23 on: July 11, 2016, 10:18:36 pm »
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JimRob, better hope that his site is not being reported to the FBI cause of those comments.

Like this one...

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These people are saying my ballot doesn’t count.

Bad choice.

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« Reply #24 on: July 11, 2016, 10:24:08 pm »
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