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Why we mustn't support Donald Trump
« on: June 27, 2016, 08:57:30 pm »

This is a rebuttal of Carol Brown's Op-ed at the American Thinker http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/06/why_we_must_support_donald_trump.html whereby the author delves into the same kind of intimidating demagoguery of Principled Conservatives that the Trump Militant themselves have engaged in vain attempts to intimidate and shame those who say they are NeverTrump into supporting the King Presumptive. 

They do not understand that it doesn't work and I think essays like that one are just going to harden and solidify current opposition to Trump from the Christian Conservative base that was told by Trump himself that they were not wanted nor needed.  The Trump Militant have not been able to convince the reluctant to vote FOR Trump, rather all they have is their nascent fear of Hillary.   Voting against Hillary becomes their sole reason and insistence that Conservatives vote Trump, tossing like a well stocked cache of hand grenades that any refusal to vote for Trump is a vote FOR Hillary.

It is easy to pick up on the absolute disdain and borderline vehement hatred of those who on principle, will not vote for Trump in November and it often reminds me of the same kind of attitude one expects when arguing with a rabid secular Leftist over matters of morality.  That anyone would stand on a moral principle is deemed a danger to society when they will not embrace that which is anathema to their foundations.

This essay from Brown illustrates that fact clearly, and I'll rebut a large part of it here.

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it’s clear these folks (who stand on soap boxes of personal integrity) are putting self before country.

A gross absurdity. We're putting our principles, faith in God for the rectitude of our actions and the Constitution ahead of "country" for once which has become nothing more than "support the party" and 'oppose the greater evil with our own evil'.

In all Statist regimes, everything must be subservient to the state, including one's faith in God and principles, which people like Brown are insisting we surrender for the 'greater good'.  This is what happens in all burgeoning tyrannies when they get started in earnest.

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The threat of Islam, terror, and open borders drives home the fact that without national security, all else is moot.  And on this front alone, Donald Trump’s views are dramatically different from Hillary Clinton’s

No they are not.  His views based on his past fruits and support of the Clinton's are the same as hers.  Trump's *suggestions* change as often as the wind.  His so-called Muslim ban - GONE.  His promise of building a wall and making Mexico pay for it - even his staunch Militants here have told us they do not believe Trump will make good on that.  Trump is no different than Hillary given his wavering unclear positions.

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As if casting a vote that helps ensure that a criminal, socialist Islamist sympathizer gets to plop herself down in the Oval Office in order to continue the destructive and downright evil work of the past eight years is an act brimming with integrity.

Clearly this stooge for Trump has no clue what time we have arrived at.  More than half the population WANT a Marxist Communist Totalitarian society.  Half of the so-called opposition party are perfectly happy with a dictatorship, as long as it is their dictator.  Americans with real integrity will not be party to supporting either candidate, but rather supporting one whose fealty to the Constitution is a provable fruit of character and action.  Trump 's stated policies indicate he will rule with a pen and a phone, and indeed his vast army of militants WANT him to act as Mussolini.

We will have no part of supporting that.

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And if they are, then the reality is that it will be Clinton or Trump.  Choose one.  “Conscientious objector” is an adolescent cop-out. 

Sez you?  What do you plan to do about it?  Insult us into betraying our own principles?   I choose neither moron running for the throne.  You can keep trying to put that silly gun to our heads and threaten to pull the trigger for treason - but that just makes you every bit the enemy of liberty and the Constitution that Hildabeast and Obama are, if not moreso.

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Our nation is at war

No, wrong.  Our nation has been overthrown from within with vast amounts of help from your party and from Trump himself, who not only financed the Clintons, but who less than 3 years ago, supported, funded, campaigned and endorsed known Communist Bill DeBlasio for NYC mayor. 

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(albeit a one-sided one we refuse to fight).


Your party has made that its primary practice, which is why I renounced my registration in your party and will never vote for anyone but a vetted and provable staunch Conservative ever again.

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All adults are needed on deck.

Your party threw all the Conservative adults out.  Your leaders threatened to punch us in the nose and then your prince presumptive told us he did not need nor want us to support him in order to win.

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It is unreasonable to let that anger turn into a petulance that would let the left rule the nation for another eight years.

It's inevitable that the Left will rule.  Your party made that a permanent reality over the last 8 years and each election cycle they continue to foist greater leftists upon us as candidates until today there is no discernable difference in fruits between the Democrats or Republicans.  The GOP Establishment want liberals, and apparently a large chunk of your party wants a NYC liberal for their prince, simply because he is a thin-skinned vulgar man who took on the media in the beginning, but since has become the Leftie he truly is.

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So to those holier-than-thou conservatives who refuse to vote for Donald Trump because their personal integrity will not allow them to do so, I say: if you want more jihad, don’t vote for Trump, and help Hillary win.  If you want to be sure our borders remain open, don’t vote for Trump, and help Hillary win.  And if you want the next president to be someone who got Americans killed and then lied about it, don’t vote for Trump, and help Hillary win.  And when Hillary Clinton is sworn in as the next president, you can pat yourself on the back, know you did the right thing, and raise a glass to your integrity, which will have served your ego but not the nation.

You really need to pander to more Bernie supporters for your prince, because crap like that just solidifies principled Conservative resolve from simply voting our conscience to outright activism against your political savior.  Hillary will win because Trump is a horrifying candidate who would lose in a landslide if November had any legitimacy, and because more will choose the Mao Pantsuit on the ballot than will choose a vulgar NYC liberal.  The election is already lost.  That much is a certainty.

Your party has given us no option except another crass and disgusting Leftist for the office.  All you have as a campaign is attempts to frighten and intimidate the base Trump already discarded and said he did not need or want the support of.   You can try all the day long to hang a Hillary coronation on our heads - but the truth will be that we will have no hand whatsoever in supporting either abomination running for the throne.  We will have served our principles, our God and our fealty to the Constitution by refusing to cast a ballot for either, and we will sleep well knowing that we did not fall for the trap of trading our principles for expedience as we did in the last four election cycles.

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Whatever rude, obnoxious, manipulative behavior Trump engaged in is in the past. 

Wrong. It's everyday.  And we know what he did to every Conservative running in the race; the personal and the viciousness assaults on character and families that we are never going to forget.  That is who Trump is, and we are not risking lending a hand to put such a man in power.  Assuredly he will more easily turn that vulgar unhinged rage against anyone who dares oppose him as we have already witnessed so far - and such is the making of a despot far more dangerous than even Hildabeast will be in that office.

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Voting for him doesn’t mean you condone such behavior,

Yes it does.

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you support everything he has expressed,

Yes it does.

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you trust him implicitly, or that you even like the guy. 

Yes it does.  It means you trust him implicitly enough hand him the duties of office and uphold the Constitution of which Trump has already demonstrated his complete illiteracy of and having no regard for, excepting his own views of it.

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It means you understand what’s at stake and have the maturity to move beyond your own ego in order to be a true patriot.

A true patriot is not one who thinks casting ballot for a NYC liberal is saving the country.   A true patriot is standing up for the foundational principles that made us who we are without wavering or compromise.  What is at stake is preventing an unstable, vulgar, Constitutionally illiterate, self-absorbed power mad billionaire the most powerful office in the world.  That is what is at stake.  Some of us understand and believe what Hamilton said about where we find ourselves:

“If we must have an enemy at the head of government let it be one whom we can oppose, and for whom we are not responsible.” - Alexander Hamilton

I choose not be responsible for the enemy at the head of this government, such as it is.

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We either have a shot at a future or we don’t.

Yawn.  Same crap we heard from McCainiacs and Romneybots.  If you think a ballot determines the future, you have no business calling yourself a patriot because yo have no understanding of liberty or how we even obtained it in the first place.

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Trump gives America a chance to survive.


No.  Trump is the final nail in the coffin of Conservatism and our foundational principles. He and his are already busy redefining what those things are as they resculpt them into the image of Trump.

And I will not be party to that in any way , shape or form.
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Re: Why we mustn't support Donald Trump
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2016, 09:05:33 pm »
Well put, Sir. We are at war, but joining the enemy will not help us defeat them.
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Re: Why we mustn't support Donald Trump
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2016, 09:09:09 pm »
Right on, brother. Right on!

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Re: Why we mustn't support Donald Trump
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2016, 09:09:37 pm »
Thanks for fleshing this out to a full column! 
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Re: Why we mustn't support Donald Trump
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2016, 09:19:31 pm »
Thank you INVAR

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Re: Why we mustn't support Donald Trump
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2016, 11:02:42 pm »
It seems to me that the people who still support Trump are now supporting a man who has reversed nearly every position he began the race with. In some cases its a second or third reversal.

For instance. In 2012 he said Romney was too aggressive on immigration and border control. When he started his race this time he breathed fire and has repeatedly said he would build a wall and deport all illegals. Now his talk on building a wall is admittedly more for effect than actual policy and he's saying that Obama has been too tough on immigration.

He doesn't appear to have any solid basis of principle aside from wanting to be popular and you can't build a house on a foundation of jello. To top it off I still can't shake the gut feeling that he never intended to win.

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Re: Why we mustn't support Donald Trump
« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2016, 01:23:21 am »

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« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2016, 01:56:41 am »
If you feel you have to vote for Trump to keep Hillary out of the White House, well, that's your view.  I don't agree with it, but at least it's an intellectually honest stance.

But I don't have a lot of respect for conservatives who know full well what Trump is, and are twisting themselves into pretzels to excuse him and justify him.  It can't be done and they know it, so they really ought to stop making themselves look foolish. 

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Re: Why we mustn't support Donald Trump
« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2016, 02:22:13 am »
If you feel you have to vote for Trump to keep Hillary out of the White House, well, that's your view.  I don't agree with it, but at least it's an intellectually honest stance.

But I don't have a lot of respect for conservatives who know full well what Trump is, and are twisting themselves into pretzels to excuse him and justify him.  It can't be done and they know it, so they really ought to stop making themselves look foolish. 

Likewise, I do not care if someone wants to vote for Trump because they think it keeps Hillary out of office.

I draw the line at the kind of ridicule and condescension you read in that essay from Brown and the Trump militant because we choose to vote for someone other than Trump.

If the Trump Militant would have had the same level of respect you just outlined, it is doubtful we would have this internecine war they started and a lot of places we used to hang out at or call home would still be there.  The fact they are going to such incredible lengths to attempt shame, intimidation and belittling condescension towards those Conservatives who refuse to vote for Trump on Principle, speaks to the fact that they have no more regard for liberty or the Constitution than those they claim they are attempting to stop getting into the White House.

The death threats for 'treason' because I will not pull the lever for their king presumptive was the final straw for me.  I had my issues with Trump but it was his militants that pushed me into activism against their Chosen.  I will not be bullied or intimidated and we already went through this same kind of crap from the Establishment hacks in 2008 and 2012.  Today it is much more shrill and dangerous.  Moreso than the crap you hear from the Commies.

This essay is just one of probably a hundred or more we are going to be treated to in the coming months, getting more vehement and shrill as the days grow shorter and their panic grows larger. 

What I find notable is that it is not Hillary that their most hated fire is being directed at, but those of us their own nominee said he did not want or need the support of.

One Trump Militant said that their goal was to "blow it all up".  Well they certainly did.  But not the way they hoped, because all they did was ensure that Hildabeast's coronation is never questioned as to it's legitimacy.
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Re: Why we mustn't support Donald Trump
« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2016, 03:18:29 am »
I will hold my nose and breath and vote for Trump.  Almost makes me sick to type it.  I sure don't blame others that don't.

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Re: Why we mustn't support Donald Trump
« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2016, 03:41:03 am »
I will hold my nose and breath and vote for Trump.  Almost makes me sick to type it.  I sure don't blame others that don't.

If only the Trump Militant were as mature as you illustrated.
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Re: Why we mustn't support Donald Trump
« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2016, 08:52:53 am »
Well reasoned piece INVAR, thanks for sharing it. There was a time I would of held my nose and voted whomever the Rs threw in front of me. That time was long ago, and I have wrote-in votes that last two elections.
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« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2016, 12:37:13 pm »
@INVAR I can not and will not vote for either of the current presumptive candidates. I have two non-negotiable issues determine who I will vote for or against. Abortion and the n2nd Amendment. Both candidates are pro choice and agaisnt the 2nd Amendment.
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« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2016, 01:14:53 pm »
If you feel you have to vote for Trump to keep Hillary out of the White House, well, that's your view.  I don't agree with it, but at least it's an intellectually honest stance.

But I don't have a lot of respect for conservatives who know full well what Trump is, and are twisting themselves into pretzels to excuse him and justify him.  It can't be done and they know it, so they really ought to stop making themselves look foolish.

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« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2016, 02:56:57 pm »

Clearly this stooge for Trump has no clue what time we have arrived at.  More than half the population WANT a Marxist Communist Totalitarian society.  Half of the so-called opposition party are perfectly happy with a dictatorship, as long as it is their dictator.  Americans with real integrity will not be party to supporting either candidate, but rather supporting one whose fealty to the Constitution is a provable fruit of character and action.  Trump 's stated policies indicate he will rule with a pen and a phone, and indeed his vast army of militants WANT him to act as Mussolini.We will have no part of supporting that.




This is the most important point you can make, and this is the reason I cannot vote for Trump or Hillary.  Statism is statism. Since my high school civics class, I've recognized that political belief isn't a line, it's a circle with statism at one pole and freedom at the other. "Left" statist or "right" statist, it doesn't matter. Both are equally dangerous.
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Re: Why we mustn't support Donald Trump
« Reply #15 on: June 28, 2016, 03:02:02 pm »
I will hold my nose and breath and vote for Trump.  Almost makes me sick to type it.  I sure don't blame others that don't.


Jim Geraghty had a Morning Jolt (I think it was Jim, not Jonah) sometime back that discussed the mutual respect that we could afford each other with opinions like yours. A breath of sanity and maturity, indeed. I believe that your position is my mother's, as well.

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« Reply #16 on: June 28, 2016, 03:18:27 pm »
If you feel you have to vote for Trump to keep Hillary out of the White House, well, that's your view.  I don't agree with it, but at least it's an intellectually honest stance.

But I don't have a lot of respect for conservatives who know full well what Trump is, and are twisting themselves into pretzels to excuse him and justify him.  It can't be done and they know it, so they really ought to stop making themselves look foolish.
If someone is twisting themselves into pretzels to excuse and justify someone  like Trump, that is hardly Conservative behaviour, rather a questionable attempt to salvage an ego wounded by a very bad choice at the expense of their own integrity.
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This is the most important point you can make, and this is the reason I cannot vote for Trump or Hillary.  Statism is statism. Since my high school civics class, I've recognized that political belief isn't a line, it's a circle with statism at one pole and freedom at the other. "Left" statist or "right" statist, it doesn't matter. Both are equally dangerous.
Agreed. For me the spectrum is one of freedom versus totalitarianism, regardless of their alleged philosophies.
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« Reply #18 on: June 28, 2016, 03:28:33 pm »
Waiting for EC to come over and disparage all this talk of "must" and "mustn't."

Maybe Ralph Waldo Emerson was correct when he wrote "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines..but consistency in this case would actually be a good thing.

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« Reply #19 on: June 28, 2016, 03:33:17 pm »
Thanks for posting the response to the piece published in the increasingly pro-Trump American Thinker.

One index of the widening chasm between Republican/conservative voters in 2016 is that the publications that reflect a generally conservative point of view have become equally divided along pro/anti-Trump lines.

He is the most internally divisive candidate potentially fielded by the GOP since Barry Goldwater, and perhaps, ever. Unlike Goldwater's candidacy however, the source of such divisiveness is less directly ideological, and more personal - specifically based in perceptions of the man's character (or if you are so inclined, a lack thereof).

While there were a few East Coast Establishment Republicans who in 1964 fretted about the potential twitchiness of Barry Goldwater's finger on the nuclear button, most of their objections centered around his ringing endorsement of small-government conservatism in an age of ambitious big-government academic ascendency.

In our time, many Republicans and former GOP members who have become independents look at Donald Trump and see a man whose stated views on a variety of subjects are as hazy and changeable as the skies over a Jersey refinery. Some might say that their smell is not entirely dissimilar.

But what really stinks for many of us is the torrent of verbal effluence that spews from Donald's Twitterized motor-mouth on a daily basis.  It doesn't help that he has so many targets of rage, and it is especially deflating that so few of them are named "Hillary Clinton", and that so many are life-long movement conservatives for whom he is essentially forcing a painful decision: sit out or sell out.

Actually, I don't think it will come to that, although it might yet. Something is stirring out there, and it might just result in a Cleveland revolt that none of us could have seen coming.
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Re: Why we mustn't support Donald Trump
« Reply #20 on: June 28, 2016, 05:27:17 pm »
If you feel you have to vote for Trump to keep Hillary out of the White House, well, that's your view.  I don't agree with it, but at least it's an intellectually honest stance.

But I don't have a lot of respect for conservatives who know full well what Trump is, and are twisting themselves into pretzels to excuse him and justify him.  It can't be done and they know it, so they really ought to stop making themselves look foolish.

I have zero respect for either. Why? Because the hold the nose types are repeating the problem that got us here on purpose.

They KNOW they will not win and yet knowing that will vote Trump ANYWAY? Their vote could be helping lay groundwork for the next election, assuming there is one. As it stands, they are ensuring more of the same from the GOP. They are giving their approval of another Trump next time.

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« Reply #21 on: June 28, 2016, 05:36:43 pm »
Waiting for EC to come over and disparage all this talk of "must" and "mustn't."

We're not the ones insisting that refusing to vote for your prince means we are 'traitors' and Hildabeast supporters.  The talk of 'must' originated with you, the Trump Militant and those like Carol Brown.  I simply rebutted the insipid assertions of similar acolytes for Trump who spend an inordinate amount of time impugning, insulting or condescending principled Conservatives who oppose your Chosen.  Or as andy58 rightfully put it - are faced with the choice of sitting out or selling out their principles.  Principles which you militants consistently have ridiculed and declared childish, treasonous and selfish.   It's the kind of revulsion we have come to expect from radical immoral secular Leftists and here we have people wrapped up in the slogan of 'make America Great Again' saying and doing the same exact thing we expect from Leftists.    All these hysterics and declarations of 'childish' and 'Hillary supporters' have done nothing but solidify our resolve and grow our ranks.


Maybe Ralph Waldo Emerson was correct when he wrote "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines..but consistency in this case would actually be a good thing.

Condescension and ridicule is all you Trump militants have.   You lack everything else and have made us enemies rather than citizens on a common bridge of liberty.  You and your prince have made it 'us' or 'them'. In this, you will find yourselves standing very alone.  We will never trust you again and will never regard you as someone who shares a belief in the Constitutional principles that were intended to keep our liberties secure.  You consistently call or insinuate we are traitors to one degree or another, yet demonstrate you have no principles except to champion a vulgar man with a lifelong record of supporting Leftist causes and Demorats as your savior.

You applied a quote from Emerson to us.  In response, this 'foolish consistency of little minds' has the following quote consistently in the forefront of our minds and it speaks to our opposition to your prince.



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Re: Why we mustn't support Donald Trump
« Reply #22 on: June 28, 2016, 05:44:05 pm »
To top it off I still can't shake the gut feeling that he never intended to win.

That's three in a row from the GOPe.  McStain and Romney didn't want to win either.  No fire in the belly.  (Well, McStain has some fire still in the belly, but he reserves it for conservatives.)
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Re: Why we mustn't support Donald Trump
« Reply #23 on: June 28, 2016, 05:53:46 pm »
The "foolish consistency" is that which has been consistently applied to principled conservatives since McCain. That somehow, if we fail to vote against our principles, we will fail to uphold them.

Obviously, that logic has been a failure, the philosophical drift of the Party to the Left has been a failure, except to remove clear distinctions in policy and action between the political entities which form what has been referred to as 'the Uniparty'.

Rather than gain the support of those who want a return to a Federal Government within Constitutional constraints, fiscal responsibility, and legal, if not moral accountability for the actions of the officers of government, the movement to the left has pulled a faction away from those who will stand upon principle and demand that which should be so. That faction, a plurality of primary voters has demanded that the majority follow suit and join with them in the quest for political perdition.

We refuse to partake in such folly, and are being excoriated for that refusal.

So be it. We didn't leave the Party, it left us.

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Re: Why we mustn't support Donald Trump
« Reply #24 on: June 28, 2016, 06:01:58 pm »
To top it off I still can't shake the gut feeling that he never intended to win.
I think his purpose was just to damage Cruz (whom the Democrats feared) to help Hillary (whom he donated to), but so many people jumped on the train he ended up being the presumptive nominee. It's all ad lib from here.
How God must weep at humans' folly! Stand fast! God knows what he is doing!
Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

C S Lewis