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POLITICO delegate survey: Dump Trump lacks the votes
« on: June 25, 2016, 03:15:53 am »
POLITICO delegate survey: Dump Trump lacks the votes
The presumptive nominee’s foes appear to be outnumbered on the panel they’d hoped would pave the way to a new nominee.
By Kyle Cheney 06/24/16 06:35 PM EDT

Republicans looking to dump Donald Trump at next month’s convention have passion, energy and a fierce sense that their party will suffer unless Trump is unseated. What they appear to lack, however, are the votes to make it happen.

POLITICO reached out to all 112 members of the committee that will write the rules of the national GOP convention. This is the panel that anti-Trump activists hope to jam a proposal through to free convention delegates to spurn Trump and select another candidate instead.

What emerged from the survey, though, is a portrait of a committee with little interest in the dump Trump crowd. In fact, most members may be eager to stop them.

“I support DJT 100%,” said Alabama rules committee member Laura Payne in an email. “I ran to support … Trump & to represent the voters of Alabama. It may or may not be an attempt, but the voters will prevail.”

"Trying to change the rules in mid-game because you don't like the outcome is tantamount to saying you are going to take your ball and go home because you are losing," said Christine Serrano-Glassner, a Rules Committee delegate from New Jersey. "I will be supporting our Nominee, Donald J. Trump."

It was a common sentiment. Among the 32 committee members who responded, 25 said they would fight efforts to stop Trump’s nomination. . Another 33 members of the panel have been previously on record as endorsing Trump or rejecting efforts to rip the nomination away from him at the convention.

That means at least half of the Rules Committee is publicly committed to helping Trump win the party’s nod at the convention, enough to defeat any insurgent proposal. In addition, of the 47 who haven’t publicly endorsed Trump and didn’t respond to a POLITICO inquiry, 33 hail from states and territories where Trump won the popular vote or local conventions.

Four indicated they were still deciding what they’d do about the proposals.

“I am not discussing my views in the press right now. Instead I am talking to other delegates listening to everyone’s arguments,” said Texas committee member Steve Munisteri. His view was echoed by Hawaii committee member Miriam Hellreich, as well as Missouri’s Harvey Tettlebaum and Pat Thomas.

In contrast, just two members of the rules committee have publicly said they would support stopping Trump’s nomination by changing party rules: Colorado’s Kendal Unruh and Guy Short.

Their allies are hopeful that their backers on the rules committee are simply remaining quiet, for now, amid intense pressure to back Trump’s nomination. More, they argue, will emerge as the convention nears, especially if Trump’s campaign continues to falter. They may be hesitant to reveal themselves in the meantime.

“They’re frightened to bring their names forward. They’re being threatened by their state party chairs,” said Eric Minor, a Washington State delegate who has become a point-person in the effort to block Trump’s nomination but is not on the convention rules committee.

Minor also noted that although supporters of unbinding delegates are pursuing a majority on the rules committee, there’s another more achievable path. Advocates for unbinding need just 28 rules committee members — a quarter of the panel — to send a “minority report” to the convention floor. It’s unclear whether backers of unbinding delegates can reach even that smaller threshold. But if they do, it would force the entire convention body — 2,472 delegates — to grapple with it. Insurgent delegates looking to stop Trump claim there are hundreds of like-minded allies who will be in the seats in Cleveland, even if they’re not on the rules committee. Minor added that in the run-up to the convention, as more anti-Trump delegates go public, others may be emboldened to follow suit.

For now, anti-Trump delegates are continuing to press for changes inside the Rules Committee. Unruh is leading the public effort to wrest the nomination from Trump by adding a “conscience clause” to party rules. That clause would permit any delegate to ignore the results of primaries and caucuses by citing a moral or personal objection to Trump.

Unruh, acknowledging the steep hill to prevail in the rules committee, said she still expects to be competitive in the broader fight.

“Even if it doesn’t make it through rules, so be it,” she said. “Then it’s a floor fight.”

On Friday morning, Unruh sent a letter to all members of the rules committee advocating for her proposal. On Sunday, she and her supporters will convene their third major conference call to discuss progress. The call is expected to include remarks from former New Hampshire Sen. Gordon Humphrey, an ally of Ohio Gov. John Kasich, who joined the cause earlier this week.

Unruh added that at least three other rules committee members had signaled support for her proposal but wished to remain private for now. In the meantime, her allies on Friday launched a cable TV ad campaign to pressure other delegates to join the cause. Delegates in Virginia and Arizona have also filed suit to overturn state laws that require delegates to be bound to the results of their primaries and caucuses.

If a rules committee push fails, anti-Trump delegates say they don’t intend to quit, but it leaves them with the prospect of having to rally 1,237 delegates to back their efforts, a difficult order with just over three weeks until the convention and the Republican establishment working against them.

“I have not sensed any movement in favor of unbinding the delegates from actual rules committee members,” said Matt Hall, a committee member from Michigan. “I certainly intend to vote to keep the current rule binding delegates in place. Based on conversations I have had with members of our Michigan delegation, I am confident that a strong majority of them feel the same way about this issue.”

The rules committee, which includes two members from each U.S. state and territory, has long been viewed as the likeliest venue for a revolt among anti-Trump delegates. Though Trump won most Republican primaries and caucuses throughout the spring, his rival Ted Cruz severely bested Trump in the more activist-driven process of electing delegates to the national convention. That led to speculation that Trump could beat Cruz in the primaries only to see Cruz’s delegates snatch the nomination away from him at the convention.

But when Cruz dropped out of the race on May 4, most of his delegate-maneuvering ceased as well. That handed Trump a free pass to stuff the seats in Cleveland’s Quicken Loans Arena with supportive delegates. Though Cruz delegates — typically more conventionally conservative, tea party activists — will still be a force at the convention, they’re unlikely to control any major decisions.

“I think the effort is a lot of lightning but no rain,” New Hampshire Rules Committee member Steve Duprey said of the anti-Trump push.

Even some stalwart Cruz supporters on the rules committee aren’t eager to rewrite party rules to harm Trump. “Changing the nomination rules now for the Cleveland convention would be wrong and politically disastrous for our Republican Party,” said Morton Blackwell, a Virginia committee member.

Though there’s still an enormous amount of fervor behind the anti-Trump movement within the Republican Party, signs emerged in recent weeks to suggest Trump’s detractors would struggle to mount a concerted resistance at the convention. A constellation of stop-Trump groups formed — Unruh’s Free the Delegates, Delegate Revolt, Courageous Conservatives PAC, Delegates Unbound. But they have struggled to unite under a single umbrella. (Unruh held a conference call Friday with leaders of the other groups and emerged as the de facto head of the effort). And no prominent elected officials or donors have stepped in to professionalize the effort.

Until Thursday, when a complete list of Convention Rules Committee members was released by the Republican National Committee, none of the groups had been able to identify all 112 members. As a result, more than 20 of the rules committee members who responded told POLITICO they had never been contacted by Unruh or any other anti-Trump groups.

“I have not been contacted by anyone to undermine the rules as set or for any plans to unbind delegates,” said Eileen Grossman, a rules committee member from Rhode Island. “I happen to be a Trump Delegate but if I were not I still would have no part in taking the nomination from a man who has received more Republican primary votes in history. We are standing by the will of the people and their vote and their vote clearly was for Donald J. Trump and not a career politician.”

Meanwhile, the Trump campaign has enjoyed the full backing of the RNC since Cruz left the race. It’s had access for weeks to lists of convention delegates and has begun building a team of more than 150 staff members and volunteers intended to work the convention floor, as well as the rules committee.

That will be an advantage for Trump if his detractors attempt a last-ditch end-run around the rules committee.
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Re: POLITICO delegate survey: Dump Trump lacks the votes
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2016, 03:20:15 am »
The strength of the anti-Trump delegates should be a huge embarrassment to Trump.  It is unparalleled in modern political history. 

Trump is crippled, even if he wins the nomination.  His polls are not getting any better, and that is becoming set in stone.
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« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2016, 03:23:35 am »
Trump's predictions are so right on:

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« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2016, 03:31:02 am »
The strength of the anti-Trump delegates should be a huge embarrassment to Trump.  It is unparalleled in modern political history. 

Trump is crippled, even if he wins the nomination.  His polls are not getting any better, and that is becoming set in stone.
In case you did not notice people are ignoring the bogus polls that defy common sense. They have ruined their ability to shape opinion being so unbelievable.
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« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2016, 07:26:00 am »
Trump's predictions are so right on:

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Teams are making a big mistake not taking Johnny Manziel - he is going to be really good (and exciting to watch).


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« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2016, 09:02:45 am »
Trump's predictions are so right on:

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« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2016, 02:17:47 pm »
In case you did not notice people are ignoring the bogus polls that defy common sense. They have ruined their ability to shape opinion being so unbelievable.

You speak often of polls that are not good news for The Don as "defying common sense." If you don't like a poll, you dismiss it by claiming it defies this common sense.

What is this "common sense" you speak of? All the guys at your local bar are voting Trump so the polls are wrong? You have a 190 year old relative who has never voted GOP in her life is now voting Trump? The Rallies?Personal bias and unwilling to accept that Trump is in trouble?

Fact is, as of now, Trump isn't doing very well with the electorate. If the election was held today, he would lose in a close one to Hillary
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« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2016, 02:42:38 pm »
You speak often of polls that are not good news for The Don as "defying common sense." If you don't like a poll, you dismiss it by claiming it defies this common sense.

What is this "common sense" you speak of? All the guys at your local bar are voting Trump so the polls are wrong? You have a 190 year old relative who has never voted GOP in her life is now voting Trump? The Rallies?Personal bias and unwilling to accept that Trump is in trouble?

Fact is, as of now, Trump isn't doing very well with the electorate. If the election was held today, he would lose in a close one to Hillary
I have no respect for free public polls because of what I learned in Honors College Political Science classes regarding them. They are tools not of measure but of shaping opinions. Their business model is for profit and to stay in business they have to deliver the results their clients want. Every Dictatorial and tin pot country in the world uses polls the same way. History shows their effectiveness over and over for the purpose of controlling populations. Hitler used them, Stalin used them etc all the same way. You laugh when NK says their Glorious leader has a 99 percent approval rating but trust here when it says Obama is over 50 percent approval rating. That's a cognitive disconnect.

Regardless, I will use polls against opponents because they are gullible enough to trust them despite the historical evidence of their being nothing more then manipulative tools of the ruling class. Informed smart people ignore polls and look at objective evidence such as crowd size, enthusiasm, number of small donors, etc things that cannot be easily manipulated by unethical people.

Here, because of bias purported conservatives are trusting an online poll that not only is way out of line of the political population but flies in the face of all other polls they have seen so far that claims to have Men going more for Hillary than Trump.
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I have no respect for free public polls because of what I learned in Honors College Political Science classes regarding them. They are tools not of measure but of shaping opinions. Their business model is for profit and to stay in business they have to deliver the results their clients want. Every Dictatorial and tin pot country in the world uses polls the same way. History shows their effectiveness over and over for the purpose of controlling populations. Hitler used them, Stalin used them etc all the same way. You laugh when NK says their Glorious leader has a 99 percent approval rating but trust here when it says Obama is over 50 percent approval rating. That's a cognitive disconnect.

Regardless, I will use polls against opponents because they are gullible enough to trust them despite the historical evidence of their being nothing more then manipulative tools of the ruling class. Informed smart people ignore polls and look at objective evidence such as crowd size, enthusiasm, number of small donors, etc things that cannot be easily manipulated by unethical people.

Here, because of bias purported conservatives are trusting an online poll that not only is way out of line of the political population but flies in the face of all other polls they have seen so far that claims to have Men going more for Hillary than Trump.

So you believe that Trump, despite all the evidence to the contrary, is actually trouncing Hillary? If you believe that, then were  is your evidence to show otherwise besides, " I don't want to believe?"

Trump has a record negative rating with the electorate. A small handful of primary voters love him but that's it.  Deny all you want but every poll shows that.


The "look at the crowd size" as a measure has been debunked. Rush did that in 2012 in a segment called "Everything but the polls point to a Romney landslide." :silly: It appears you're following the same line if thinking that took place in 2008 and especially 2012

I'm not saying Trump is going to lose come Nov. But denying reality just to calm your own angst isn't going to put him in the WH
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« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2016, 03:12:48 pm »
So you believe that Trump, despite all the evidence to the contrary, is actually trouncing Hillary? If you believe that, then were  is your evidence to show otherwise besides, " I don't want to believe?"

Trump has a record negative rating with the electorate. A small handful of primary voters love him but that's it.  Deny all you want but every poll shows that.


The "look at the crowd size" as a measure has been debunked. Rush did that in 2012 in a segment called "Everything but the polls point to a Romney landslide." :silly: It appears you're following the same line if thinking that took place in 2008 and especially 2012

I'm not saying Trump is going to lose come Nov. But denying reality just to calm your own angst isn't going to put him in the WH
Lets look at your evidence:
Online Polls and far left wing polls.

Lets look at mine:
Crowd sizes,
Funds raised from small donors.
Voter Enthusiasm.
Media coverage


Then you have the fact all your polls are putting lipstick on a pig aka Hillary...

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« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2016, 03:15:18 pm »
Lets look at your evidence:
Online Polls and far left wing polls.

Lets look at mine:
Crowd sizes,
Funds raised from small donors.
Voter Enthusiasm.
Media coverage


Then you have the fact all your polls are putting lipstick on a pig aka Hillary...

 :laughingdog:

Again, what proof do you have to back your claim that, as of now, Trump is beating Hillary and the electorate like him besides your belief and graphics?
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« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2016, 03:16:59 pm »
Again, what proof do you have to back your claim that, as of now, Trump is beating Hillary and the electorate like him besides your belief and graphics?
The objective evidence I listed. All you have is bootstrapping bogus polls.
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« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2016, 03:20:43 pm »
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"Trying to change the rules in mid-game because you don't like the outcome is tantamount to saying you are going to take your ball and go home because you are losing," said Christine Serrano-Glassner, a Rules Committee delegate from New Jersey.

I wonder if she was part of the 2012 committee that changed the rules mid-game to keep Paul off the ballot? Certainly she realizes that happened.

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« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2016, 03:23:28 pm »
From Rush in 2012...
Folks, read this and see if this doesn't sound a lot like our friend Mechanicos in 2016

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2012/11/05/everything_except_the_polls_points_to_a_romney_landslide
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« Reply #14 on: June 25, 2016, 03:29:21 pm »
The objective evidence I listed. All you have is bootstrapping bogus polls.

Well guess what? November will reveal who was right. I've just heard this all before only to watch the GOP candidate lose.
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« Reply #15 on: June 25, 2016, 03:33:36 pm »
From Rush in 2012...
Folks, read this and see if this doesn't sound a lot like our friend Mechanicos in 2016

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2012/11/05/everything_except_the_polls_points_to_a_romney_landslide
One big difference, conservatives were not voting for rino Romney and we had not had Muslim massacres, invasions and other massive destructive activities inside our country like we have had last 7 years.

Here we not only have the backdrop of Boston, Calif, Orlando etc, we also have people wanting to vote for Trump.

So apples and oranges comparison. 
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« Reply #16 on: June 25, 2016, 06:29:47 pm »
From Rush in 2012...
Folks, read this and see if this doesn't sound a lot like our friend Mechanicos in 2016

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2012/11/05/everything_except_the_polls_points_to_a_romney_landslide


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« Reply #17 on: June 25, 2016, 06:49:45 pm »
Oh Trump will get his little party at the Convention. But what he and you his minions need to be concerned about is the other survey showing "Block Hillary" lacks Republican votes.
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« Reply #18 on: June 26, 2016, 01:45:44 pm »
One big difference, conservatives were not voting for rino Romney and we had not had Muslim massacres, invasions and other massive destructive activities inside our country like we have had last 7 years.

Here we not only have the backdrop of Boston, Calif, Orlando etc, we also have people wanting to vote for Trump.

So apples and oranges comparison.

Yep.

Repeat of 2012. Just the candidates change. BTW, Rush also made the same prediction in 2000. Did you even read the link?

Trump may or may not win the WH but denial isn't going to win it for him

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« Reply #19 on: June 26, 2016, 02:19:10 pm »
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He always picks the best people!

The best people .....like.....this guy (now at CNN)? 



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...and the clowns at Politico would like nothing more than for the stop Trump movement to give up.
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« Reply #22 on: June 26, 2016, 02:45:44 pm »
Time to dump the trash ..


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« Reply #23 on: June 26, 2016, 02:45:56 pm »
...and the clowns at Politico would like nothing more than for the stop Trump movement to give up.
Yes the army of Democrats at Political want Trump to stay in...
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/06/21/politicos-army-of-democrats-driving-anti-trump-narrative/
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« Reply #24 on: June 26, 2016, 02:46:55 pm »
A Few Thoughts Now On Speaker Paul Ryan On Trump - Lou Dobbs' Commentary


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