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What the Donald shares with the Ronald
« on: June 04, 2016, 05:30:34 pm »
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/05/ronald-reagan-was-once-donald-trump.html
Very well written and researched article, though the author is clearly not a Trump/Reagan fan in any way...but its undeniable that the similiarities between the campaigns are quite stunning.

 
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Shirley’s memories are corroborated by reportage contemporaneous with Reagan’s last two presidential runs. (There was also an abortive run in 1968.) A poll in 1976 found that 90 percent of Republican state chairmen judged Reagan guilty of “simplistic approaches,” with “no depth in federal government administration” and “no experience in foreign affairs.” It was little different in January 1980, when a U.S. News and World Report survey of 475 national and state Republican chairmen found they preferred George H.W. Bush to Reagan. One state chairman presumably spoke for many when he told the magazine that Reagan’s intellect was “thinner than spit on a slate rock.” As Rick Perlstein writes in The Invisible Bridge, the third and latest volume of his epic chronicle of the rise of the conservative movement, both Nixon and Ford dismissed Reagan as a lightweight. Barry Goldwater endorsed Ford over Reagan in 1976 despite the fact that Reagan’s legendary speech on behalf of Goldwater’s presidential campaign in October 1964, “A Time for Choosing,” was the biggest boost that his kamikaze candidacy received. Only a single Republican senator, Paul Laxalt of Nevada, signed on to Reagan’s presidential quest from the start, a solitary role that has been played in the Trump campaign by Jeff Sessions of Alabama.

What put off Reagan’s fellow Republicans will sound very familiar. He proposed an economic program — 30 percent tax cuts, increased military spending, a balanced budget — whose math was voodoo and then some. He prided himself on not being “a part of the Washington Establishment” and mocked Capitol Hill’s “buddy system” and its collusion with “the forces that have brought us our problems—the Congress, the bureaucracy, the lobbyists, big business, and big labor.” He kept a light campaign schedule, regarded debates as optional, wouldn’t sit still to read briefing books, and often either improvised his speeches or worked off index cards that contained anecdotes and statistics gleaned from Reader’s Digest and the right-wing journal Human Events — sources hardly more elevated or reliable than the television talk shows and tabloids that feed Trump’s erroneous and incendiary pronouncements.
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Re: What the Donald shares with the Ronald
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2016, 06:02:40 pm »
Well, he swiped his slogan and tried to claim he thought of it.
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Re: What the Donald shares with the Ronald
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2016, 06:07:24 pm »
Well, he swiped his slogan and tried to claim he thought of it.

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« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2016, 06:15:36 pm »
What does the Donald shares with the Ronald

That is a tough one.  It is either his hair or The costume?


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« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2016, 06:31:20 pm »


Read the article, then you'll know.
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« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2016, 06:44:18 pm »
/snicker


Trump is to Reagan what Hillary is to Reagan.

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« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2016, 06:49:45 pm »

Read the article, then you'll know.

I enjoy graphic novels as much as Trump likes looking at the pop-up pictures in his autobiography...

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Re: What the Donald shares with the Ronald
« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2016, 07:07:22 pm »
What a pant load of propaganda to try and make Trump palatable to a base that has fully rejected him as their bannerman!

Reagan's Conservatism was as soundly opposed and rejected by the Ruling Class of the GOP as it just did Ted Cruz.  They NEVER embraced it.  They reluctantly went along with it and sabotaged it the moment they got Bush I into the White House.

Trump is no Conservative.  His very-recent come-to-Conservatism is out of political expediency that often revealed when his varying statements illustrate the Northeastern liberal Leftist that makes up the core of who Trump actually is.

Reagan recognized the Democratic Party went Leftist back early on in his political career and therefore switched parties and embraced much of what Goldwater presented in terms of the kind of Conservatism that governed who Reagan was at his core.

Trump's core is himself and whatever Liberal Statism benefitted his many endeavors.

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Re: What the Donald shares with the Ronald
« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2016, 07:12:34 pm »
What a pant load of propaganda to try and make Trump palatable to a base that has fully rejected him as their bannerman!

Reagan's Conservatism was as soundly opposed and rejected by the Ruling Class of the GOP as it just did Ted Cruz.  They NEVER embraced it.  They reluctantly went along with it and sabotaged it the moment they got Bush I into the White House.

Trump is no Conservative.  His very-recent come-to-Conservatism is out of political expediency that often revealed when his varying statements illustrate the Northeastern liberal Leftist that makes up the core of who Trump actually is.

Reagan recognized the Democratic Party went Leftist back early on in his political career and therefore switched parties and embraced much of what Goldwater presented in terms of the kind of Conservatism that governed who Reagan was at his core.

Trump's core is himself and whatever Liberal Statism benefitted his many endeavors.

Lets see...you gave a psychological diagnosis. Expressed an unsupported opinion as to who meets the criteria of being conservative. Through out a wild supposition about what Reagan knew and didn't know in 1980. And you demonstrated the classical way in which people fail to understand history...using hindsight rather than looking at perceptions common at the time of an actual event.

Your batting a .1000!

As for propaganda, if you'd read the full article you'd have seen that the author is personally VERY anti-Trump...so your claim is nonsensical.
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« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2016, 07:49:52 pm »
Lets see...you gave a psychological diagnosis. Expressed an unsupported opinion as to who meets the criteria of being conservative. Through out a wild supposition about what Reagan knew and didn't know in 1980. And you demonstrated the classical way in which people fail to understand history...using hindsight rather than looking at perceptions common at the time of an actual event.

Your batting a .1000!

As for propaganda, if you'd read the full article you'd have seen that the author is personally VERY anti-Trump...so your claim is nonsensical.

I'll take the word of someone who actually KNEW Reagan personally, WORKED his campaigns in 1975-76 and 79-80 and worked in his White House who said the exact same thing I posted above (almost word-for-word) that you declared to be 'nonsensical'.

You're pathetic and an embarrassment to your nominee.

As to 'unsupported opinion' - that's the catch-phrase I'm noticing you Trump Propagandists are now using to redefine Conservatism into Trump's Liberal Leftist Nationalist Populism.

Trump is no Reagan.  Trump has nothing in common with Reagan.

Trump has more in common with Hillary and the Ruling Class Oligarchy in DC that he has been funding and supporting for decades.



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...Obsta principiis—Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people. When the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers and destroyers press upon them so fast that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon [the] American constitution is such, as to grow every day more and more encroaching. Like a cancer, it eats faster and faster every hour." - John Adams, February 6, 1775

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Re: What the Donald shares with the Ronald
« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2016, 08:00:09 pm »
I'll take the word of someone who actually KNEW Reagan personally, WORKED his campaigns in 1975-76 and 79-80 and worked in his White House who said the exact same thing I posted above (almost word-for-word) that you declared to be 'nonsensical'.

You're pathetic and an embarrassment to your nominee.

As to 'unsupported opinion' - that's the catch-phrase I'm noticing you Trump Propagandists are now using to redefine Conservatism into Trump's Liberal Leftist Nationalist Populism.

Trump is no Reagan.  Trump has nothing in common with Reagan.

Trump has more in common with Hillary and the Ruling Class Oligarchy in DC that he has been funding and supporting for decades.



Excellent post.

Even after the daily barrage of Trump's unforced errors and appalling statements and twittering, his supporters continue to defend and rationalize all of his behavior.  **nononono*
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« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2016, 08:07:23 pm »
I'll take the word of someone who actually KNEW Reagan personally, WORKED his campaigns in 1975-76 and 79-80 and worked in his White House who said the exact same thing I posted above (almost word-for-word) that you declared to be 'nonsensical'.

You're pathetic and an embarrassment to your nominee.

As to 'unsupported opinion' - that's the catch-phrase I'm noticing you Trump Propagandists are now using to redefine Conservatism into Trump's Liberal Leftist Nationalist Populism.

Trump is no Reagan.  Trump has nothing in common with Reagan.

Trump has more in common with Hillary and the Ruling Class Oligarchy in DC that he has been funding and supporting for decades.

 He couldn't carry President Reagan's jock strap much less be in the same league with him.  If trump was ever elected President they would need to Put an asterisk by his mane in the list of US Presidents.

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Re: What the Donald shares with the Ronald
« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2016, 08:09:12 pm »
I'll take the word of someone who actually KNEW Reagan personally, WORKED his campaigns in 1975-76 and 79-80 and worked in his White House who said the exact same thing I posted above (almost word-for-word) that you declared to be 'nonsensical'.

You're pathetic and an embarrassment to your nominee.

As to 'unsupported opinion' - that's the catch-phrase I'm noticing you Trump Propagandists are now using to redefine Conservatism into Trump's Liberal Leftist Nationalist Populism.

Trump is no Reagan.  Trump has nothing in common with Reagan.

Trump has more in common with Hillary and the Ruling Class Oligarchy in DC that he has been funding and supporting for decades.

First, like Reagan, Trump is also being clear that the Dem party has blown itself to the extreme left. He's also clear that parts of the GOP had gone either extreme right, or simply fell into the country club mentality of just trying to get along. He's been ahead of the curve at every step, much like Reagan. Further, when making political analogies one does not simply proclaim a whole human being to be identical to another...that would be inaccurate and juvenile. What the author does, and what is a rational comparison, is examining just how both men were viewed by the establishments of their own party and by their rivals from the opposing party. Further, both men were capable of reaching past a hostile media and using that media...unwillingly...to convey their message directly to the American people.

Like Reagan, Trump believes in big tent Republicanism...both men openly acknowledging the need to draw in blue collar democrats and independents to their cause. They both see/saw that the narrowminded approach of the Religious right to exclude potential supporters and candidates from the party because they fail the "purity" test is how you shrink and end a party. Its moralizing madness, and a man like Reagan would have seen Ted Cruz for the narrow minded, uncharismatic, self-centered moralist that he is...Reagan was a man of optimism, like Trump, and would not have condoned Cruz's approach to pushing people FROM the party rather than coaxing them into it.

Reagan is no Trump and Trump is no Reagan. Obviously. But both men have overcome the establishments of their own parties, and have taken that establishment and put it to work in a greater cause of growing the GOP and moving forward conservative causes like Immigration enforcement, smaller government, tax cuts for the middle class, a strong defense, a strong foreign policy built on strength and the avoidance of small pointless entanglements. Both men believe in appointing originalist SCJ's and want to make government better at the fewer things it must do. And both men were backed by the NRA as strong supporters of Gun Rights and the 2nd amendment. The similarities are almost uncanny, though the demeanor and backgrounds are in many ways very different. Both these commonalities AND differences are worthy of note.
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Re: What the Donald shares with the Ronald
« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2016, 08:11:40 pm »
He couldn't carry President Reagan's jock strap much less be in the same league with him.  If trump was ever elected President they would need to Put an asterisk by his mane in the list of US Presidents.

Donald Trump*

*Elected by default when America took the 2016 election off rather than be forced to vote for a perverted and deranged little man who also happened to be the biggest A$$hole to ever run for the highest office of the land.

Its great that you express your entirely unsupported position. Kudos. The two men have much in common, as detailed in the article and in my previous post...they no doubt have many qualities unique to each as well.
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« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2016, 08:22:50 pm »
Its great that you express your entirely unsupported position. Kudos. The two men have much in common, as detailed in the article and in my previous post...they no doubt have many qualities unique to each as well.

Your article got the attention gross fiction deserves. 

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« Reply #15 on: June 04, 2016, 08:46:55 pm »
First, like Reagan, Trump is also being clear that the Dem party has blown itself to the extreme left.

That's why Trump funded the Democrats, Hillary Clinton, the Democrat Senatorial Committee among other Leftist causes and agendas up until 2012 when he decided he was again going to again run for the presidency.

He's also clear that parts of the GOP had gone either extreme right,

Yes, because God forbid a biblical Christian Conservative and their principles and worldview have any influence in the party or the nation.

He's been ahead of the curve at every step, much like Reagan.

He's NOTHING LIKE REAGAN. Reagan was not a self-absorbed, thin-skinned vulgar lying attack dog megalomaniac that sabotaged the Conservatives in the party from within at the behest of a Northeastern Liberal Leftist agenda.

Further, when making political analogies one does not simply proclaim a whole human being to be identical to another...that would be inaccurate and juvenile.

Just like a liberal college professor massaging facts to fit a narrative that furthers the rewrite of history to give the current object of affection - validity and acceptance. 

They both see/saw that the narrowminded approach of the Religious right to exclude potential supporters and candidates from the party because they fail the "purity" test is how you shrink and end a party. Its moralizing madness, and a man like Reagan would have seen Ted Cruz for the narrow minded, uncharismatic, self-centered moralist that he is…

No wonder Trump appeals to you.  You're as hostile as the militant hedonistic Left is to Biblical Christians.  Well you got your wish - and you and Trump are successfully purging Biblical Christians and principled Conservatives from your party.  Now go pander for votes for your anointed from Bernie Supporters, because you certainly are not getting them from the people you just insulted above.

You're no different than a Liberal Leftist in this regard except that you are more antagonistic and insulting - just like the man you want for king.
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« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2016, 12:24:16 am »
That's why Trump funded the Democrats, Hillary Clinton, the Democrat Senatorial Committee among other Leftist causes and agendas up until 2012 when he decided he was again going to again run for the presidency. As a businessman, he'd have been an idiot NOT to give to both sides, ensuring good will for his businesses and employees. You are thinking like a poiitician.

Yes, because God forbid a biblical Christian Conservative and their principles and worldview have any influence in the party or the nation. Agreed. Influence on the party should be based in reason, intellectual analysis of issues and one's own personal moral code...be that Christian, Buddhist, Hindu, Jewish or other wise.

He's NOTHING LIKE REAGAN. Reagan was not a self-absorbed, thin-skinned vulgar lying attack dog megalomaniac that sabotaged the Conservatives in the party from within at the behest of a Northeastern Liberal Leftist agenda. Correct, but then again no one was comparing their personal demeanors...in that realm, Trump is much more Churchillian.

Just like a liberal college professor massaging facts to fit a narrative that furthers the rewrite of history to give the current object of affection - validity and acceptance.  Problem is, I've simply laid out a set of actions and compared them...nor am I liberal or a professor, though admit to having my MA in Ancient History.

No wonder Trump appeals to you.  You're as hostile as the militant hedonistic Left is to Biblical Christians.  Well you got your wish - and you and Trump are successfully purging Biblical Christians and principled Conservatives from your party.  Now go pander for votes for your anointed from Bernie Supporters, because you certainly are not getting them from the people you just insulted above.I'm not purging anyone, just asserting that evangelical right gets no more of a veto over nominees than other parts of our party. As for Christianity in its own right, its a beautiful and profound religion in its purest form, which is why we must keep it and our government separate...as both can only serve to corrupt the other.

You're no different than a Liberal Leftist in this regard except that you are more antagonistic and insulting - just like the man you want for king.You rain down a cascade of personal insults and then bemoan that I'm being insulting to you...rich.

You've literally lost the ability to formulate any kind of objective analysis and so to make a rational vote. You truly do have TDS...its a shame that you've let hate and anger overcome your ability to reason.
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« Reply #17 on: June 05, 2016, 01:18:42 am »
What does the Donald shares with the Ronald

That is a tough one.  It is either his hair or The costume?

Wingnut,

You're trying too hard. It's right in front of you! They share 5 letters in common in their first names. However, beyond that, I'm drawing a blank.

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« Reply #18 on: June 05, 2016, 01:23:31 am »
You've literally lost the ability to formulate any kind of objective analysis and so to make a rational vote. You truly do have TDS...its a shame that you've let hate and anger overcome your ability to reason.

If that was the case, (let's play your game and agree) pat yourself on the back.  You and your Trump compatriots drove me to my activism more than your prince himself did.

I know what God calls the self appointed wise people like yourself that make their own determinations on who is objective and rational.   You sound exactly like all the other Liberal-Leftist intellectuals out there.

Just as condescending and self important as you make yourself out to be.
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« Reply #19 on: June 05, 2016, 01:35:56 am »
If that was the case, (let's play your game and agree) pat yourself on the back.  You and your Trump compatriots drove me to my activism more than your prince himself did. Yes, of course. Its never your fault.

I know what God calls the self appointed wise people like yourself that make their own determinations on who is objective and rational.   You sound exactly like all the other Liberal-Leftist intellectuals out there. You are the one who was a follower of the "annointed one", not I. You have all the hallmarks of being a great Pharissee.

Just as condescending and self important as you make yourself out to be.Its not my fault, you made me be that way 8888crybaby

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« Reply #20 on: June 05, 2016, 02:16:57 am »
Yes, of course. Its never your fault.

I'm playing your game - and I'm putting the blame for my so-called "TDS" exactly upon the heads of those whom it belongs: YOU and your likeminded rabid compatriots.  Moreso than Trump himself.  It's been you people and your condescending snark, ridicule and Alinksyite tactics that helped me go from passivity to aggressive activism against your prince. 

You have all the hallmarks of being a great Pharissee.

I'm not the one who insists that God and salvation for the Republic only comes through Trump and the Oligarchy that now supports him, or that we must be Samaritans from Hillary because we will not vote for your prince.

Its not my fault, you made me be that way

You're the one who accused me of having TDS.  I'm telling you where I contracted it from.

Want to keep playing your stupid game?
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« Reply #21 on: June 05, 2016, 03:25:52 am »
I'm playing your game- and I'm putting the blame for my so-called "TDS" exactly upon the heads of those whom it belongs: YOU and your likeminded rabid compatriots.  Moreso than Trump himself.  It's been you people and your condescending snark, ridicule and Alinksyite tactics that helped me go from passivity to aggressive activism against your prince.  No you're not. This is all you. My "game" is to advocate for the man I think would make the best president...which is no game at all...your game is to tell people to "beg" for your support. Quit blaming others and be accountable for a change

I'm not the one who insists that God and salvation for the Republic only comes through Trump and the Oligarchy that now supports him, or that we must be Samaritans from Hillary because we will not vote for your prince. Never in my life have I said such a thing, I simply said he is the best of the options available and will make an excellent president. Period. All this "annointed one" stuff comes from the Cruz camp.

You're the one who accused me of having TDS.  I'm telling you where I contracted it from. You have it, you just want to blame having gotten it on others...try taking responsibility for yourself for once.

Want to keep playing your stupid game?

I don't play games. You can do as you will...which, no doubt means continuing to act like a spoiled child who lost his favorite toy because he talked back to his parents.
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Re: What the Donald shares with the Ronald
« Reply #24 on: June 05, 2016, 03:46:10 am »
@Mesaclone

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/donald-trump-is-americas-stupidest-person-has-never-heard-of-google-20150325

Trump's either a pathological liar, or a sociopath who has no idea that there has been history before his existence.

He reveals and revels in his stupidity every day.
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