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« Reply #325 on: June 05, 2019, 11:34:54 pm »
Well I got my DNA from Ancestry and here is what I have found.


I have mostly Irish (both Ulster and regular Irish) and Scot DNA.


What came in second was British and Welsh (not surprising)


Third was German.


I think the test is accurate.
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« Reply #326 on: June 10, 2019, 12:02:32 pm »
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« Reply #327 on: June 13, 2019, 11:44:13 pm »
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« Reply #328 on: July 19, 2019, 05:53:32 pm »
DNA is a huge and highly complex subject.

My only caution concerns "autosomal" region predictions. IOW the ones that say 70%  Scottish, etc.

Without in depth study of DNA, the history of a region, a person can be misled about such results.


Some folks like the notion, that Scottish are Celts, with plaid skirts, and bagpipes. Others like the idea the Scots are more ike the English all proper and educated. Finally others know that Scotland was also populated by the Norse, in from 'a-Viking'.

Just sayin

I believe the cousin matches are very solid. Every time my sister and I have received these hints or tips, they turned out to be solid.
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« Reply #329 on: July 19, 2019, 06:05:44 pm »
DNA is a huge and highly complex subject.


I believe the cousin matches are very solid. Every time my sister and I have received these hints or tips, they turned out to be solid.

You must be very industrious or very lucky in your cousin matches confirmation.

I did my autosomal testing with FTDNA and they show over 5000 matches for me. I have researched and mapped about a dozen so far into my family tree.

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« Reply #330 on: November 03, 2019, 03:14:34 am »
You must be very industrious or very lucky in your cousin matches confirmation.

I did my autosomal testing with FTDNA and they show over 5000 matches for me. I have researched and mapped about a dozen so far into my family tree.

The matches are from Ancestry.com tests of my sister and my mother.

Total is around 4-5, but when wegot the particulrs, wewent through my paper-pedigree trees, and confirmed the relationships.

20 years hile working on pedigrees, I regularly got help from Sweden, and Canada. 
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« Reply #331 on: November 03, 2019, 03:18:07 am »
Just a few weeks ago, Ancestry added a significant increment, to their "reference samples."

These are the DNA profiles, of the people in the regions which they maake Yur Estimate.

IOW more old bones, of more people.

I don't know any more details, except that people's Origin Estimeates," have quitea bit.

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« Reply #332 on: November 03, 2019, 03:23:19 am »
Do any of these actually give you a family tree? Or do they just tell you a general region where you might be from?
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« Reply #333 on: November 03, 2019, 11:47:42 am »
The only people they could include in a tree would be ones that had their DNA tested and the results are in their data base.

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« Reply #334 on: November 03, 2019, 12:44:54 pm »
Do any of these actually give you a family tree? Or do they just tell you a general region where you might be from?
My ancestry.com DNA summary looked like this:
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England, Wales & Northwestern Europe
Primarily located in: England, Scotland, Wales
Your ethnicity estimate is 84%, but it can range from 77-100%

Ireland & Scotland
Primarily located in: Ireland, Wales, Scotland
Your ethnicity estimate is 14%, but it can range from 0-14%

Germanic Europe
Primarily located in: Germany
Your ethnicity estimate is 2%, but it can range from 0-31%
Once I started inputting the names I already had - grandparents, great-grandparents - the website gave me hints of the research other people already had done. You can see that the ethnicity ranges are quite broad. For example, I know through genealogical research there are Germans and Alsatians on my father's side (already visited a few of their home villages) and am reasonably certain of some Scandinavians. Whether that meanns my "Germanic" roots are 2% or something greater remains to be determined.

At ancestry.com, you start creating your own family tree with the names you have. Then you plug in new names and new details as they become available. Interesting thing about my father's side is that I didn't even know his grandparents' names. Before creating the ancestry account I did some research at an area university's library and got the names of great-gf and great-great-gf. Once on ancestry, I went farther and found names in both my grandfather's and grandmother's lineage - and discovered that an 8x-great-grandmother was hanged in Salem, Mass., accused of being a witch.  :whistle:
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« Reply #335 on: November 03, 2019, 01:39:29 pm »
My ancestry.com DNA summary looked like this:Once I started inputting the names I already had - grandparents, great-grandparents - the website gave me hints of the research other people already had done. You can see that the ethnicity ranges are quite broad. For example, I know through genealogical research there are Germans and Alsatians on my father's side (already visited a few of their home villages) and am reasonably certain of some Scandinavians. Whether that meanns my "Germanic" roots are 2% or something greater remains to be determined.

At ancestry.com, you start creating your own family tree with the names you have. Then you plug in new names and new details as they become available. Interesting thing about my father's side is that I didn't even know his grandparents' names. Before creating the ancestry account I did some research at an area university's library and got the names of great-gf and great-great-gf. Once on ancestry, I went father and found names in both my grandfather's and grandmother's lineage - and discovered that an 8x-great-grandmother was hanged in Salem, Mass., accused of being a witch.  :whistle:

Lol. Wow! Very interesting. I think I may give this a shot
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« Reply #336 on: November 03, 2019, 08:07:46 pm »
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It was the line about her birth mother being “a strong and expert swimmer” that stopped Donna Freed cold.

In 2010, Freed, a London radio journalist, was reading a five-page, bare-bones report that she had obtained about her biological mother from a Manhattan adoption agency. It described the unnamed woman who had given her up as an infant in the vaguest of terms: “A 27-year-old, Caucasian, Jewish, single female” who lived on the Eastern Seaboard and worked at an advertising firm.

Oh, and she was a good swimmer. ...
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« Reply #337 on: January 16, 2020, 10:14:55 am »
Well my DNA results on Ancestry was updated.  It said that 3% of my DNA came from Sweden.  I kinda question the results. Far as I know, I don't have any ancestors from Sweden. Distant yes, when they raided England and the rest of Europe.
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« Reply #338 on: January 16, 2020, 02:43:59 pm »
Well my DNA results on Ancestry was updated.  It said that 3% of my DNA came from Sweden.  I kinda question the results. Far as I know, I don't have any ancestors from Sweden. Distant yes, when they raided England and the rest of Europe.

Same here with Norway/Sweden.  Have spent the past two years via a collaborative effort getting absolutely everything in my tree back to Plantagenet time.  Pretty much everyone with a tiny few exceptions are from  England, Scotland, and Ireland.  Have come to the conclusion that 5%-15% Norway and Sweden  origin is for the same reason you state above. Plus no reason to doubt it since Scandavian origin shows up in all three companies I have tested. (Ancestry, FTDNA, and 23/Me)
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« Reply #339 on: January 16, 2020, 02:55:20 pm »
Mine is now:

England, Wales & Northwestern Europe 63%

Ireland & Scotland  27%

Sweden  8%

France  2%

Didn't change all that much from the previous estimate.

I am particularly liking the TRULINES feature at Ancestry which tells you exactly HOW you are related to your DNA matches.  (I have thousands of them)
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« Reply #340 on: January 16, 2020, 03:17:52 pm »
I believe some of the Scandinavians in my background were Viking sailors who ended up in Scotland.
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« Reply #341 on: January 16, 2020, 03:56:24 pm »
Same here with Norway/Sweden.  Have spent the past two years via a collaborative effort getting absolutely everything in my tree back to Plantagenet time.  Pretty much everyone with a tiny few exceptions are from  England, Scotland, and Ireland.  Have come to the conclusion that 5%-15% Norway and Sweden  origin is for the same reason you state above. Plus no reason to doubt it since Scandavian origin shows up in all three companies I have tested. (Ancestry, FTDNA, and 23/Me)


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The problem I have with this is the following is that my mothers grandparents came from what used to be the Kingdom of Württemberg. That is why I kinda question it. 
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« Reply #342 on: January 16, 2020, 04:02:05 pm »

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The problem I have with this is the following is that my mothers grandparents came from what used to be the Kingdom of Württemberg. That is why I kinda question it. 

That's German, correct?  If that's your mother's grandparents, that's only 12.5% of your total genetic makeup.  How about the 87.5%.  Not really following why you wouldn't think 3% Scandanavian might not have come from other areas.
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« Reply #343 on: January 16, 2020, 04:21:41 pm »
My fatherline DNA is the Haplogroup which in located in central Sweden.I1.

Paper genealogy coincides this, with at least four male generations, in that location as well.

I never tested with Ancestry, but my sister di, and hers says Scandinavia.

I tested with Living DNA, a British firm and they assigned to me, no Scandinavian ancesters.

If dead bones with DNA markers are found in England, or in Norway, it changes the region prediction by the DNA company.

I know that Anccestry recently made majoor changes.

The underlying science is fine, but the commercial product is less certain.
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« Reply #344 on: January 16, 2020, 05:03:01 pm »
That's German, correct?  If that's your mother's grandparents, that's only 12.5% of your total genetic makeup.  How about the 87.5%.  Not really following why you wouldn't think 3% Scandanavian might not have come from other areas.


That is German correct..  Here is how Ancestry DNA broke it down for me:


Ireland & Scotland 53%
England, Wales, & Northwestern Europe (Which includes Normandy and Brittany) 44%
Sweden 3%
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« Reply #345 on: January 16, 2020, 05:08:44 pm »




The underlying science is fine, but the commercial product is less certain.

Been with Ancestry dna and FTDNA since about '07.  23/Me in the past year.  Through the years the percentages have shifted greatly.  Some were out of the blue addtions or deletions, others re-configuation of geographical areas.  I still think the Science is evolving a lot more than understood.
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« Reply #346 on: January 16, 2020, 05:15:15 pm »

That is German correct..  Here is how Ancestry DNA broke it down for me:


Ireland & Scotland 53%
England, Wales, & Northwestern Europe (Which includes Normandy and Brittany) 44%
Sweden 3%

Here's an article from Ancestry around this issue.  Data showing all areas of the UK have signifiant (average) concentration of Scandinavian ancestry.  Seems the genetic makeup of Viking invaders of the 8th-10th century is ubiquitous in all of our testing.

https://www.ancestry.com/corporate/international/press-releases/DNA-of-the-nation-revealedand-were-not-as-British-as-we-think
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« Reply #347 on: January 16, 2020, 06:08:03 pm »
Maybe the biggest argument I have gotten into with distant cousins was that we had Cherokee ancestry and they diverted  that sect into Northern Arkansas on the way to OK on the Trail of Tears.  Then I got my Ancestry and FTDNA results:

Ancestry - 53% Great Britain  23% Ireland  18% Scandinavia  5% Iberian Peninsula  <1% Both Eastern and Western Europe   = 100% European
FTDNA- 45% British Isle 37% Western and Central Europe  11% Scandinavia 7% Finland = 100% European

Still the lady screams this stuff was voodoo.  Some people just don't want family history messed with.  In my case, the bigger shock for me, is that even though I have traced 95% of family at least into the 1700's, there are no Scandinavian surnames present.  Guess about 1 in 5 of my ancestors were plundering Vikings.

I think the discrepancy of the Central and Western Europe may be migration timing.  Not absolutely sure.

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I'll tell ya what is at the root of the discrepancy thing,the polite fiction of today that there was no fooling around in ancient times. NOTHING could be further from the truth. Even primitive tribes knew the danger of inbreeding,and went to war against neighboring tribes purely to steal a few women and children to strengthen their bloodlines and keep them from inbreeding idiots.

On top of that,EVERY form of work was labor back then,and families needed lots of child labor to make ends meet. That was one reason families were so large. Another reason is there was no such thing as retirement checks coming in back then,and there is a limit on how long the typical human can do stoop labor. Add to that what passed for medical practices back then and the fact that people rarely washed in cold weather and all lived huddled up like rats in tiny shelters,losing children and old people from diseases was a common occurrence.

Also,for people living in rural areas with few neighbors to help thicken the gene pool,traveling strangers and salesmen were welcomed to spend the night with the woman or the house.  Once again,to add to the gene pool to make the children stronger,healthier,and even smarter.

Eskimos still admit this happened in their tribes,but Christian Europeans,not so much. It DID happen though,and was fairly common.

Hell,if it HADN'T happened chances are we would have died out a long time ago.
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« Reply #348 on: January 16, 2020, 06:40:42 pm »
May have mentioned this before, but one of the key things I took from my ancestry.com DNA analysis is that I am 100% Western European.

This amuses me, because my Marxist idiot worthless assh*** older brother insists he's 1/12 Shawnee. Uh, no. It doesn't work that way. We have the same parents, and he can't be 1/12 injun when I'm 100% Euro.
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« Reply #349 on: January 16, 2020, 06:52:41 pm »
May have mentioned this before, but one of the key things I took from my ancestry.com DNA analysis is that I am 100% Western European.

This amuses me, because my Marxist idiot worthless assh*** older brother insists he's 1/12 Shawnee. Uh, no. It doesn't work that way. We have the same parents, and he can't be 1/12 injun when I'm 100% Euro.

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Piss him off by offering to pay for his dna test.

I am 1/4 Tuscorara,and it doesn't mean a damn thing other that serve as a curiosity.
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