Rubio: I'd support anyone to stop Clinton, even Trump

[DCPatriot]

Rubio: I'd support anyone to stop Clinton, even Trump
Al Weaver

"I've always said I'm going to support the Republican nominee, and that's especially true now that it's apparent that Hillary Clinton is going to be the Democratic candidate," Rubio said.

"My differences with Donald Trump are well documented, and obviously we had 12 months to talk about those," Rubio said. "I'm not saying he's going to be the nominee. We don't know that yet ... but Hillary Clinton would be a disaster for America. She really would. I think she's got a lot of ethical questions surrounding her campaign. I think she was not a very good secretary of state, and, quite frankly, she's a candidate that looks backwards. America needs to turn the page and move towards the future."

more at:  http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/rubio-id-support-anyone-to-stop-clinton-even-trump/article/2589228

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[DCPatriot]

@sinkspur

Time to get with the program, Sink!   

[Jazzhead]

Shouldn't the burden be on Trump to at least try to address the concerns of many that he will rule while ignoring Constitutional constraints?    We've had almost eight years of that under Obama,  and Trump seems ready to double down on the illegality.

Trump's a businessperson like Fiorina, but with a crucial difference -  Carly was CEO of a public company,  obliged to report to a public board of directors.   Trump has always been a little dictator within his own fiefdom,  beholden to no one except, perhaps, his creditors (whom he's screwed whenever he's needed to).   

I get the point that we need to acknowledge some of the issues that Trump has raised.   But it is Trump the man that worries us,  as well as the uncritical fawning of his supporters.   He's leading a cult of personality,  warning of violence if he doesn't get his way,  and it's simply dangerous to hand the keys to such a demagogue.   

I've practiced solidarity with my party for forty years.   This is where I, and millions like me, will draw the line.    Trump is a present danger,  more so than even Hillary IMO.   

[The Jackal]

Shouldn't the burden be on Trump to at least try to address the concerns of many that he will rule while ignoring Constitutional constraints?    We've had almost eight years of that under Obama,  and Trump seems ready to double down on the illegality.

Trump's a businessperson like Fiorina, but with a crucial difference -  Carly was CEO of a public company,  obliged to report to a public board of directors.   Trump has always been a little dictator within his own fiefdom,  beholden to no one except, perhaps, his creditors (whom he's screwed whenever he's needed to).   

I get the point that we need to acknowledge some of the issues that Trump has raised.   But it is Trump the man that worries us,  as well as the uncritical fawning of his supporters.   He's leading a cult of personality,  warning of violence if he doesn't get his way,  and it's simply dangerous to hand the keys to such a demagogue.   

I've practiced solidarity with my party for forty years.   This is where I, and millions like me, will draw the line.    Trump is a present danger,  more so than even Hillary IMO. 

I couldn't agree more. The sheer hubris of Trump to suggest that he can tame the wild federal beast and make it do his bidding in my name boggles the mind. It's indicative of egomaniacal, narcissistic personality.  With Cruz there is none of that pretension. One of the other issues I've had with Trump's candidacy and his supporters is this notion that the United States faces such an existential threat that we have to abandon everything we stand for as conservatives to service one or two key issues to ensure the continued survival of our country. I would ask a Trump supporter, "Just what is it you're trying to protect?" A Trump presidency is the equivalent of putting a band-aid over an infected wound. What good is it to secure the border, engage in trade protectionism etc. when American is rotting from the inside because of moral sickness?

I have not yet decided if I will vote for Trump in November. I'm leaning towards no. I believe my final decision will come sometime in the fall. I have a nagging suspicion that should he get the nomination he will drift so far to the left that the prospect of him becoming President would be anathema to me. He's well on his way to that status with his recent remarks on abortion and trannies in the bathroom. 

[DCPatriot]

Shouldn't the burden be on Trump to at least try to address the concerns of many that he will rule while ignoring Constitutional constraints?    We've had almost eight years of that under Obama,  and Trump seems ready to double down on the illegality.

Trump's a businessperson like Fiorina, but with a crucial difference -  Carly was CEO of a public company,  obliged to report to a public board of directors.   Trump has always been a little dictator within his own fiefdom,  beholden to no one except, perhaps, his creditors (whom he's screwed whenever he's needed to).   

I get the point that we need to acknowledge some of the issues that Trump has raised.   But it is Trump the man that worries us,  as well as the uncritical fawning of his supporters.   He's leading a cult of personality,  warning of violence if he doesn't get his way,  and it's simply dangerous to hand the keys to such a demagogue.   

I've practiced solidarity with my party for forty years.   This is where I, and millions like me, will draw the line.    Trump is a present danger,  more so than even Hillary IMO.   

Please, jazzhead....provide a link where Donald Trump warns of violence if he doesn't get his way.

I'll wait.....   

[DCPatriot]

I couldn't agree more. The sheer hubris of Trump to suggest that he can tame the wild federal beast and make it do his bidding in my name boggles the mind. It's indicative of egomaniacal, narcissistic personality.  With Cruz there is none of that pretension. One of the other issues I've had with Trump's candidacy and his supporters is this notion that the United States faces such an existential threat that we have to abandon everything we stand for as conservatives to service one or two key issues to ensure the continued survival of our country. I would ask a Trump supporter, "Just what is it you're trying to protect?" A Trump presidency is the equivalent of putting a band-aid over an infected wound. What good is it to secure the border, engage in trade protectionism etc. when American is rotting from the inside because of moral sickness?

I have not yet decided if I will vote for Trump in November. I'm leaning towards no. I believe my final decision will come sometime in the fall. I have a nagging suspicion that should he get the nomination he will drift so far to the left that the prospect of him becoming President would be anathema to me. He's well on his way to that status with his recent remarks on abortion and trannies in the bathroom.

It's fascinating to me to see somebody of high intelligence take the position you're taking.

Hillary Clinton WILL appoint leftist SCOTUS judges.   Guaran-freaking-teed!   Trump will not.  Especially with a GOP House and Senate.

Hillary Clinton will continue Obama's 3rd and possibly 4th terms.  She will continue the Left's war on Capitalism...the expansion of single-payer healthcare, etc..

Why can't any of you get this thru your skulls?   

Peace....

[alicewonders]

It's fascinating to me to see somebody of high intelligence take the position you're taking.

Hillary Clinton WILL appoint leftist SCOTUS judges.   Guaran-freaking-teed!   Trump will not.  Especially with a GOP House and Senate.

Hillary Clinton will continue Obama's 3rd and possibly 4th terms.  She will continue the Left's war on Capitalism...the expansion of single-payer healthcare, etc..

Why can't any of you get this thru your skulls?   

Peace....

I see this type of thinking (Trump is worse than even Hillary), and I don't know why - but I associate it with authoritarianism.  Very much so. 

If I don't get my way, no one else is going to either.

[DCPatriot]

I see this type of thinking (Trump is worse than even Hillary), and I don't know why - but I associate it with authoritarianism.  Very much so. 

If I don't get my way, no one else is going to either.

The young minds of mush...thank you, indoctrinators...wouldn't accept a 180 degree turn away from Socialism.   They have to be weaned.

OTOH...I'm convinced the Federal Reserve is another Leftist cabal that has sold America's soul to protect Obama's agenda.

The financial catastrophe that awaits any GOP Administration in the next coming months/years is a purposeful trap...set my the Left.  And once any Republican takes the Oath...the fuse will be lit...if not beforehand.

We're in the middle of a coup attempt by the Left as we speak.   And unless Trump wins...we're screwed. 

[The Jackal]

It's fascinating to me to see somebody of high intelligence take the position you're taking.

Hillary Clinton WILL appoint leftist SCOTUS judges.   Guaran-freaking-teed!   Trump will not.  Especially with a GOP House and Senate.

Hillary Clinton will continue Obama's 3rd and possibly 4th terms.  She will continue the Left's war on Capitalism...the expansion of single-payer healthcare, etc..

Why can't any of you get this thru your skulls?   

Peace....

I get it. The problem is that Trump does not engender a lot of trust. How many times have we seen him make a statement and then because of public backlash a correction or clarification is issued within hours? Trump's first instincts on certain matters does not align with conservative interests. It's only after they've been massaged that they become more palatable. He simply doesn't know how to think in a constitutionally conservative way.

We all know that Trump's policy positions were not written by him. At best he threw out some ideas and somebody else put together the policy papers. When it comes to SCOTUS justices I'm sure anyone here can do some basic legal research, read some judicial opinions and come up with a slate of nominees far superior to anything Trump would suggest. But the fact is Trump wouldn't do that. He's got people for that. He lacks a certain basic knowledge. Anybody believe Trump knows the difference between an orginalist and a textualist? I'm not asking him to be a legal scholar. But what is apparent is that he lacks the most basic of faculties to determine what would constitute a good justice.  So any theoretical judicial picks would be determined by others in a Trump administration. That's quite a leap of faith that Trump supporters are asking others to take.

But all that aside the most fundamental problem with Trump is that there is a serious doubt about his conservative credentials. Which is why it is entirely plausible that from now until the election he can so alienate conservatives that they simply will not vote for him. Hillary or no Hillary. I'm not saying I'm a #NeverTrump guy. I'm just saying he's got a lot of time to screw it up even further to the point where he becomes nonredeemable.

[The Jackal]

I see this type of thinking (Trump is worse than even Hillary), and I don't know why - but I associate it with authoritarianism.  Very much so. 

If I don't get my way, no one else is going to either.

For me it comes from personal experience. I've been down this road. Being in California I voted to remove Gray Davis from the governor's mansion and voted in 'conservative' and populist candidate Arnold Schwarzenegger.  And he was so reasonable and all about doing the 'common sense' things for Californians that career politicians never got around to doing because of partisan bickering. So I've seen Trump's schtick before. There's no such thing as an honest broker. 

[DCPatriot]

I get it. The problem is that Trump does not engender a lot of trust. How many times have we seen him make a statement and then because of public backlash a correction or clarification is issued within hours? Trump's first instincts on certain matters does not align with conservative interests. It's only after they've been massaged that they become more palatable. He simply doesn't know how to think in a constitutionally conservative way.

The nation and the Constitution need to be guarded.  Trump is a pit bull.   I get it, too.

Pit Bulls do not engender a lot of trust to the casual observer, either.   But once we become familiar with them, they are loyal but tenacious to anybody seeking to harm us.

I will not be around to see the lasting effects of a Trump presidency...but IMO, history will note that it was Donald Trump that saved the USA from circling the drain into hell.

We all know that Trump's policy positions were not written by him. At best he threw out some ideas and somebody else put together the policy papers. When it comes to SCOTUS justices I'm sure anyone here can do some basic legal research, read some judicial opinions and come up with a slate of nominees far superior to anything Trump would suggest. But the fact is Trump wouldn't do that. He's got people for that. He lacks a certain basic knowledge. Anybody believe Trump knows the difference between an orginalist and a textualist? I'm not asking him to be a legal scholar. But what is apparent is that he lacks the most basic of faculties to determine what would constitute a good justice.  So any theoretical judicial picks would be determined by others in a Trump administration. That's quite a leap of faith that Trump supporters are asking others to take.

LOL!   Reminds me of the meme where an Italian is interviewing dating prospects...and simply asks, "Sauce or gravy?"   Middle panel, she says "gravy" and the last panel has him turning his head yelling, "NEXT!"

Same thing can be applied here.   

Are you a strict Constitutionalist?  Or do you think it's a living breathing document?   NEXT!!!

IMO, you might be creating imaginary monsters.  Like the one under Calvin's bed.   

But all that aside the most fundamental problem with Trump is that there is a serious doubt about his conservative credentials. Which is why it is entirely plausible that from now until the election he can so alienate conservatives that they simply will not vote for him. Hillary or no Hillary. I'm not saying I'm a #NeverTrump guy. I'm just saying he's got a lot of time to screw it up even further to the point where he becomes nonredeemable.

We stated many times here, that this election isn't about Conservatism vs. Liberalism.   Too late for that.  We're in a Code Blue right now. 

IMO, the patient is flat-lining...the doctor is holding paddles, yelling "CLEAR!"....and you're rushing in wanting to administer last rites because you're concerned about his soul.

Peace!   

[libertybele]

It's fascinating to me to see somebody of high intelligence take the position you're taking.

Hillary Clinton WILL appoint leftist SCOTUS judges.   Guaran-freaking-teed!   Trump will not.  Especially with a GOP House and Senate.

Hillary Clinton will continue Obama's 3rd and possibly 4th terms.  She will continue the Left's war on Capitalism...the expansion of single-payer healthcare, etc..

Why can't any of you get this thru your skulls?   

Peace....

Why?  Because, there is no guarantee that Trump will not appoint liberal justices as he is a liberal with a liberal record.  Your argument that Trump won't appoint liberal justices especially with a GOP House and Senate is very weak as Trump is seen by some political anyalysts as putting the House majority in jeaopardy and we will lose the Senate; in fact some are predicting that if Trump is elected president; a Republican backlash will hit in November like never seen before.

As for single-payer healthcare, Trump himself has expressed that's exactly what he wants.

#Never Trump

[alicewonders]

For me it comes from personal experience. I've been down this road. Being in California I voted to remove Gray Davis from the governor's mansion and voted in 'conservative' and populist candidate Arnold Schwarzenegger.  And he was so reasonable and all about doing the 'common sense' things for Californians that career politicians never got around to doing because of partisan bickering. So I've seen Trump's schtick before. There's no such thing as an honest broker.

Mitch McConnell is my senator, so I completely feel your sense of betrayal and cynicism towards our benevolent politicians.  Burned so many times.....

I'm willing to give Trump a try - he will try different things and think outside of the box.  I won't always agree with him, but I do think he loves America.  He may not be laser sharp focus-group tested and rehearsed - thank God!   

[DCPatriot]

Why?  Because, there is no guarantee that Trump will not appoint liberal justices as he is a liberal with a liberal record.  Your argument that Trump won't appoint liberal justices especially with a GOP House and Senate is very weak as Trump is seen by some political anyalysts as putting the House majority in jeaopardy and we will lose the Senate; in fact some are predicting that if Trump is elected president; a Republican backlash will hit in November like never seen before.

I respectfully disagree.  Despite Obama's reelection, two mid-term elections saw the GOP dominate the Congress AND State Governorships, judges and legislatures.   Not gonna happen...even with the candidate being Trump.   They will rein it Donald's penchant to be all things to all people.

As for single-payer healthcare, Trump himself has expressed that's exactly what he wants.

#Never Trump

See above.   

[DCPatriot]

Mitch McConnell is my senator, so I completely feel your sense of betrayal and cynicism towards our benevolent politicians.  Burned so many times.....

I'm willing to give Trump a try - he will try different things and think outside of the box.  I won't always agree with him, but I do think he loves America.  He may not be laser sharp focus-group tested and rehearsed - thank God!

Alice....so happy to see you in the forum, posting again!  Love ya!

I'm so happy to see all these wonderful people come over to TBR....it actually brings tears to my eyes. 

[libertybele]

I couldn't agree more. The sheer hubris of Trump to suggest that he can tame the wild federal beast and make it do his bidding in my name boggles the mind. It's indicative of egomaniacal, narcissistic personality.  With Cruz there is none of that pretension. One of the other issues I've had with Trump's candidacy and his supporters is this notion that the United States faces such an existential threat that we have to abandon everything we stand for as conservatives to service one or two key issues to ensure the continued survival of our country. I would ask a Trump supporter, "Just what is it you're trying to protect?" A Trump presidency is the equivalent of putting a band-aid over an infected wound. What good is it to secure the border, engage in trade protectionism etc. when American is rotting from the inside because of moral sickness?

I have not yet decided if I will vote for Trump in November. I'm leaning towards no. I believe my final decision will come sometime in the fall. I have a nagging suspicion that should he get the nomination he will drift so far to the left that the prospect of him becoming President would be anathema to me. He's well on his way to that status with his recent remarks on abortion and trannies in the bathroom.

   Several psychiatrists have commented on Trump's narcissistic personality; his personality disorders go beyond that.  I have decided that I cannot and WILL not vote for Trump.  To hand one of the richest men in the world one of the most powerful positions in the world with his bombastic, narcissistic personality is absolutely nuts and I see him as dangerous.

He is a proven liberal and there is nothing conservative about him, I will NOT vote for a liberal period.  I cannot vote for someone who I fell will continue us on our current path of destruction.

#Never Trump

[The Jackal]

IMO, you might be creating imaginary monsters.  Like the one under Calvin's bed.   

Normally I'd say I was over thinking it. But if you accept the philosophy behind Trump's candidacy that he will bring the federal government to heel not by reducing the size and scope of federal government but by sheer force of personality then I think a credible argument can be made that his SCOTUS picks will reflect that mindset which means even more centralization of power. Obviously he's going to need it to get the things he wants done.

P.S.: You made me chuckle. I like being here already!  Now get out of the way while I perform last rites! 

[alicewonders]

Alice....so happy to see you in the forum, posting again!  Love ya!

I'm so happy to see all these wonderful people come over to TBR....it actually brings tears to my eyes.

 

[DCPatriot]

Normally I'd say I was over thinking it. But if you accept the philosophy behind Trump's candidacy that he will bring the federal government to heel not by reducing the size and scope of federal government but by sheer force of personality then I think a credible argument can be made that his SCOTUS picks will reflect that mindset which means even more centralization of power. Obviously he's going to need it to get the things he wants done.

P.S.: You made me chuckle. I like being here already!  Now get out of the way while I perform last rites! 

   So glad you're here! 

[Bill Cipher]

I see this type of thinking (Trump is worse than even Hillary), and I don't know why - but I associate it with authoritarianism.  Very much so. 

If I don't get my way, no one else is going to either.

Fascinating that someone who has so readily swallowed Trump's "truthful hyperbole" ie, lying, should be incapable of realizing that Trump is very likely to be just as liberal in practice as Clinton.  That there is unlikely to be any meaningful difference between who he picks for the Supreme Court and who she would pick.  That the only difference is that he would be our liberal, bought and paid for, and so we as a group would no longer have any basis for complaining about continuing liberalism.  I won't buy that bill of goods, won't put my imprimatur on liberalism.  That is why I will never vote for Trump.

You also have no clue what "authoritarianism" is.  Someone who threatens to go home if they don't get their way may be a spoiler, but they are not an authoritarian.  An authoritarian is someone who dictates on the basis of personal authority, a cult of personality, like Trump. 

If you believe the lies, I mean the "truthful hyperbole," so be it.  One can lead a horse to water, but cannot make her drink. 

[Jazzhead]

Why can't any of you get this thru your skulls?

My eyes are wide-open, DC.   I know the damage that Clinton will do.   I know that a vote for her, if it comes to that, will be directly opposed to my self-interest, and what I believe philosophically.   But, see, I think we're in a Code Blue situation too.   Because Trump is simply too dangerous to be President - he lacks the temperament for the job and his determination to divide this nation and rule by fiat go against my basic values - not so much as a conservative but as an American.   Trump's more suited for a mobbed-up banana republic, not the greatest nation on earth,  a nation built by immigrants and its unique combination of pluralism and respect for individual liberty and the rule of law.

Trumpism's a disease,  and sometimes, as with a virulent cancer,  it simply takes the courage to endure the pain of cutting it out. 

[Jazzhead]

I see this type of thinking (Trump is worse than even Hillary), and I don't know why - but I associate it with authoritarianism. 

To me,  that is precisely what Trumpism represents - the seductive lure of the easy answers of authoritarianism.   Some values are too important to sacrifice for the uncritical hope that a strongman can make the trains run on time.     

[DCPatriot]

My eyes are wide-open, DC.   I know the damage that Clinton will do.   I know that a vote for her, if it comes to that, will be directly opposed to my self-interest, and what I believe philosophically.   But, see, I think we're in a Code Blue situation too.   Because Trump is simply too dangerous to be President - he lacks the temperament for the job and his determination to divide this nation and rule by fiat go against my basic values - not so much as a conservative but as an American.   Trump's more suited for a mobbed-up banana republic, not the greatest nation on earth,  a nation built by immigrants and its unique combination of pluralism and respect for individual liberty and the rule of law.

Trumpism's a disease,  and sometimes, as with a virulent cancer,  it simply takes the courage to endure the pain of cutting it out.

You are speculating, jazzhead!   There's no proof he'll do what you say.

We may be rolling the dice here, with Trump....I realize that, my brother!   

But I KNOW what Hillary will wrought.   

The simple repeal of Obamacare will ignite an economic recovery not seen since post WWII.   Hopefully, Millennials will begin to appreciate it and realize their teachers/professors were full of crap.

That alone will help us slay the Progressive beast.

[Bill Cipher]

It's fascinating to me to see somebody of high intelligence take the position you're taking.

Hillary Clinton WILL appoint leftist SCOTUS judges.   Guaran-freaking-teed!   Trump will not.  Especially with a GOP House and Senate.

Hillary Clinton will continue Obama's 3rd and possibly 4th terms.  She will continue the Left's war on Capitalism...the expansion of single-payer healthcare, etc..

Why can't any of you get this thru your skulls?   

Peace....

If a GOP senate will stop Trump from nominating liberal Supreme Court justices, then why wouldn't that same senate stop his fellow liberal, Clinton, from nominating liberal Supreme Court justices?   You can't have your cake and eat it, too. Either the senate will stop the next president from nominating liberal justices or it will not, and that will be without regard to who the next president is.

Further, what evidence do you have, other than Trump's own "truthful hyperbole" - i.e., lying - that he will not nominate liberal Supreme Court justices?  His past history is evidence that when he acts he acts as a liberal policy-wise, and his words alone simply cannot be trusted because he has already admitted in his own book that he lies to get what he wants in negotiations.

He may call it "truthful hyperbole" but you cannot have both, you can either have the truth or you can have the hyperbole.  "Truthful hyperbole" is merely a euphemism for lying.  Why can't you get that through your skull?

I'll stick with evidence. You can keep the lies, I mean "truthful hyperbole."

[verga]

I couldn't agree more. The sheer hubris of Trump to suggest that he can tame the wild federal beast and make it do his bidding in my name boggles the mind. It's indicative of egomaniacal, narcissistic personality.

Years ago I worked with a school support person by the name of Tony. Part of Tony's job was to escort students to the office for discipline. He would walk into a class and motion to the student to follow him in a non confrontational manner. tony would then turn and walk out of the room completely confident that the student would follow. And they did. But there is a big (some might say YUUUUGE) difference between high school students and the federal government.

I have not yet decided if I will vote for Trump in November. I'm leaning towards no. I believe my final decision will come sometime in the fall. I have a nagging suspicion that should he get the nomination he will drift so far to the left that the prospect of him becoming President would be anathema to me. He's well on his way to that status with his recent remarks on abortion and trannies in the bathroom.

I couldn't agree more. His true (liberal) colors are beginning to seep out.