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Why There Will Be No Trump Landslide in November
« on: March 19, 2016, 01:37:13 pm »
Why There Will Be No Trump Landslide in November

 by JIM GERAGHTY   

March 15, 2016 4:00 AM

Quite a few Donald Trump fans are convinced that their man would beat Hillary Clinton resoundingly in a general election, carrying a slew of blue states where Republicans aren’t generally competitive in general elections.

Wayne Allyn Root’s assessment is typical. “New York is only the start,” he wrote. Trump can win Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Ohio, too, Root contends, because there are lots of middle- and working-class voters there who relish Trump’s honesty and politically incorrect style. 

If that was true, you would think polls would show that Trump is running better than, or at least on par with, an average Republican in these states. They don’t.

In New York, the most recent Siena poll has Clinton beating Trump, 57 percent to 34 percent. This is not a reflection of phenomenal popularity on her part; the survey finds 48 percent of registered voters in the Empire State feel favorable to her, and the same percentage feels unfavorable. But, the protestations of Root and other boosters aside, voters in Trump’s home state like him even less than Clinton; only 29 percent have a favorable view of him, compared with 59 percent who see him unfavorably. And what limited support Trump does get in New York doesn’t come from blue-collar voters, either: He does best among those who make more than $100,000 per year, and a full 64 percent of voters in that group still have an unfavorable opinion of him.

 The outlook is equally grim across the river in New Jersey, where Trump’s Atlantic City casinos once made him a key employer. Fairleigh Dickinson University’s PublicMind survey, conducted last week, shows Clinton leading Trump 52 percent to 36 percent among registered voters in the Garden State. When asked to offer one word that describes Trump, New Jerseyans most commonly answered “arrogant,” “idiot,” “good,” “bad,” “obnoxious,” and “ass.”

In Michigan, the latest Marist poll has Clinton ahead of Trump, 52 percent to 36 percent. The exit poll from that state’s GOP primary found that 48 percent of its participants would be “dissatisfied” if Trump won the nomination, and 50 percent did not think Trump was “honest and trustworthy.”

Trump is at least within single digits of Clinton in the two biggest Rust-Belt states. The Republican firm Harper Polling finds Clinton ahead of Trump, 45 percent to 40 percent, in Pennsylvania, while in Ohio, PPP has Clinton ahead by the same margin and CNN has her ahead 50 percent to 43 percent.

 Trump loves to cite his poll numbers during the debates, but he never mentions the fact that Clinton has beaten him in 24 of the last 28 head-to-head national polls. And his numbers in those polls have worsened over time. In the December ABC News/Washington Post poll, Clinton led Trump 50 percent to 44 percent; she now leads him 50 percent to 41 percent in the same poll. In January, Trump trailed her in the NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll 51 percent to 41 percent; in that poll’s latest edition, last week, she led him 51 percent to 38 percent. In December, CNN showed Clinton ahead 49 percent to 47 percent; their late February poll showed her ahead 52 percent to 44 percent.

There are those who argue that head-to-head polling is meaningless this far from the general election. But note that Trump and Clinton have the lowest percentage of respondents who have no opinion of them — just about every potential voter already knows them, and just about every potential voter has a strong feeling about them one way or the other. The electorate dislikes and distrusts Trump much more than the average presidential contender. The most recent ABC News/Washington Post poll found 30 percent of adults think favorably of Trump, and 67 percent think unfavorably. An astonishing 56 percent of respondents had a strongly unfavorable opinion of the most likely Republican nominee.

In January, Gallup found Trump to be the most unpopular political candidate they had ever recorded. Gallup editor-in-chief Frank Newport noted that “he has a higher unfavorable rating than any nominated candidate from either of the two major parties going back to the 1992 election, when we began to track favorability using the current format.” More recently, Gallup concluded that Trump has an astounding 12 percent/77 percent favorable/unfavorable split among Hispanic voters.

To many political professionals, that the probable GOP nominee began the year with such gargantuan disapproval numbers means the general election is a foregone conclusion.

 “Based on all of the data I have seen, the answer to the question, ‘Does Donald Trump have a path to victory in November?’ is clearly ‘No,’” Republican pollster Ed Goeas warned in a memo this weekend. “The question is, how many down-ballot Republicans will he take with him?”

Joel Benenson, a senior strategist for the Clinton campaign, recently said he doesn’t foresee Trump posing any particular threat in states such as New York, New Jersey, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. “I don’t see any state that Democrats have won five out of six times, or six out of six times, that Trump, at face value, poses a threat in.”

 Is it absolutely impossible for Trump to overcome his current disapproval numbers, reverse his head-to-head polling deficit and win? No. Clinton could still get indicted by the Department of Justice and refuse to let go of the Democratic nomination. The country could suffer another San Bernardino– or Paris-style terrorist attack and Clinton could respond with another tone-deaf insistence that “Muslims are peaceful and tolerant people and have nothing whatsoever to do with terrorism.” The kind of leftist protestors seen in Chicago on Friday night could do something so heinous and reprehensible that it creates enormous sympathy for Trump.

 But barring some sort of dramatic turn of events, it seems exceedingly likely that a general electorate of around 130 million will look at a Clinton it distrusts and a Trump it detests and choose the lesser evil.

The Republican party is speeding toward a canyon, and its primary voters still refuse to hit the brakes.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/432784/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-doormat-white-house
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Re: Why There Will Be No Trump Landslide in November
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2016, 01:55:29 pm »
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In January, Gallup found Trump to be the most unpopular political candidate they had ever recorded. Gallup editor-in-chief Frank Newport noted that “he has a higher unfavorable rating than any nominated candidate from either of the two major parties going back to the 1992 election, when we began to track favorability using the current format.” More recently, Gallup concluded that Trump has an astounding 12 percent/77 percent favorable/unfavorable split among Hispanic voters.

Trump cannot win on his own.  He needs some kind of disaster to exploit.
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« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2016, 01:57:35 pm »
Trump cannot win on his own.  He needs some kind of disaster to exploit.

Maybe he should hire Team Obama, who so skillfully exploited the financial crisis.  Then again, considering Trump's past, he probably has hired Team Obama, or their disciples.

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« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2016, 02:00:24 pm »
I was thinking about this: I think your typical Trump supporter has a fantasy of seeing him berate Hillary Clinton on stage in a debate. That's what it comes down to.

That's basically what it's about, if Trump insults Hillary, insults Bill, and makes Hillary look stupid on stage then it will all be worth it.

Unfortunately these folks are blinded by pure emotion, in their revenge fantasy they live vicariously through Trump and would like to scream these things to the Clintons.

What they miss is that the general public sees Hillary as just another politician and that the general public would be offput by these tactics. Certainly they won't be changing their vote. And with negatives as high as Trump, victory for him is basically impossible IMO.

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« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2016, 02:02:20 pm »
Trump cannot win on his own.  He needs some kind of disaster to exploit.

Do conservatives really want Trump in the White House? You want to spend the next 4 years defending Trump as he uses his Twitter account excoriating minor members of the media? Or his chronic lying?

I understand the USSC role of the presidency and in this capacity he's better than a Clinton, but I don't feel like spending 4 years with this nut job on my TV set every night.

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« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2016, 02:03:46 pm »
I was thinking about this: I think your typical Trump supporter has a fantasy of seeing him berate Hillary Clinton on stage in a debate. That's what it comes down to.

That's basically what it's about, if Trump insults Hillary, insults Bill, and makes Hillary look stupid on stage then it will all be worth it.

Unfortunately these folks are blinded by pure emotion, in their revenge fantasy they live vicariously through Trump and would like to scream these things to the Clintons.

What they miss is that the general public sees Hillary as just another politician and that the general public would be offput by these tactics. Certainly they won't be changing their vote. And with negatives as high as Trump, victory for him is basically impossible IMO.

That's probably what it boils down to.

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« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2016, 02:07:41 pm »
Do conservatives really want Trump in the White House? You want to spend the next 4 years defending Trump as he uses his Twitter account excoriating minor members of the media? Or his chronic lying?

I understand the USSC role of the presidency and in this capacity he's better than a Clinton, but I don't feel like spending 4 years with this nut job on my TV set every night.

Another thought:  one of the things that led to Obama was the polarizing nature of the Bush administration.  An even more divisive polarizing Trump administration could potentially lead to an even worse follow-on administration.

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« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2016, 02:17:11 pm »


Not entirely accurate. RCP average shows Hillary with an average of 6 point lead over Trump:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

As Trump's jackassery increases as time goes on, I wouldn't expect this to improve, quite the opposite. As you see most of the polls that don't show the Donald losing by double digits are old. A lot of the dumb thing Donald and his supporters have done have occurred after super Tuesday and his support in the general has crumbled. However his supporters are convinced he can win somehow and that's all that matters.

Hope the GOP can keep the Senate and House but I feel that might be a lost cause too if the Donald wins the nomination.

What harm could liberal domination of the USSC do for the next 40 years, right?