PPP Poll: Trump Lead 'Significantly Diminished' (Trump down 9)

[Bigun]

Probably because the purpose of many of them is to drive and control opinion and not to reflect it.

Ding! Ding! Ding!

We have a winner here!

[ABX]

I think before the Cruzers get all giddy they might want to look where the most momentum is. It is not with them.

The thing about the momentum change is it is the same pattern and almost the same numbers we saw in Iowa by PPP before their caucus. I really doubt Cruz can do as well in New Hampshire because it is very liberal, but we can look at patterns for tends.

[ABX]

Probably because the purpose of many of them is to drive and control opinion and not to reflect it.

In general most polls become very close to accurate the closer to votes they become. This is 2 parts. One, voters become more firm in their decisions. Two, pollsters reputations are built on accuracy and when you get closer to the vote, they often move away from trying to influence and more to solidify their reputation for getting it right.

[Bigun]

In general most polls become very close to accurate the closer to votes they become. This is 2 parts. One, voters become more firm in their decisions. Two, pollsters reputations are built on accuracy and when you get closer to the vote, they often move away from trying to influence and more to solidify their reputation for getting it right.

I agree with that as well!

[Wingnut]

In general most polls become very close to accurate the closer to votes they become. This is 2 parts. One, voters become more firm in their decisions. Two, pollsters reputations are built on accuracy and when you get closer to the vote, they often move away from trying to influence and more to solidify their reputation for getting it right.

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Probably because the purpose of many of them is to drive and control opinion and not to reflect it.

I'll accept that.  I'll also be watching to see if it hold true this cycle.

[Free Vulcan]

No...he's not.

He decided to go the Populism and Nationalism route toward the presidency.  He's tapping into the anger felt by the vast majority of American People at what the Democrats and specifically, Pelosi, Reid, Obama, Kerry and Clinton have done to our country.   With 100% cooperation from the mainstream media.

A simple message that he's going to return to the policies of what made America the greatest country on the globe can only go so far.

My point is that it's time for him to begin acting 'Presidential' and offer HIS solutions.

Yep. Objectively, Trump is at a hinge point. He needs to change up his game as you described to move forward. People are expecting that now that the first skirmish is out of the way.

[NavyCanDo]

I think his temper tantrum and sore loserman routine about Iowa is going to cost him dearly.

(And I thank the Lord for that!)

I have noticed lately that Rush Limbaugh does not have Trump's back anymore. He has lately been very critical of Trump, and instead seems to be shifting his support for Cruz, and even said some positive things about Rubio and his appeal after his Iowa speech.  The tide has turned. It will only get harder for trump from here on. I would not be shocked if he lost New Hampshire. I would not have said that a week or two ago.

[Sanguine]

Anybody checked TOS lately?  Are they still banning folks for saying bad things about Trump?

No, there's a lot of overt anti-Trump stuff being said.  And, some of the "I support Trump no matter what" stuff too, but a lot of the former.  It's almost like a fever has broken and the patient is beginning to recover their faculties.

[Jazzhead]

Please assist the ignorant - what is TOS? 

[ABX]

Please assist the ignorant - what is TOS?

The Other Site. ie. FR.

[musiclady]

I have noticed lately that Rush Limbaugh does not have Trump's back anymore. He has lately been very critical of Trump, and instead seems to be shifting his support for Cruz, and even said some positive things about Rubio and his appeal after his Iowa speech.  The tide has turned. It will only get harder for trump from here on. I would not be shocked if he lost New Hampshire. I would not have said that a week or two ago.

I've been please with Rush the few times I've heard him lately.  His crush on Trump seems to have abated, and he definitely is coming out more strongly for Cruz.

As I see it, Rush's short attraction to Trump seems to be a temporary blip in his strong Conservative record, and I'm glad to see him coming around.

[musiclady]

No, there's a lot of overt anti-Trump stuff being said.  And, some of the "I support Trump no matter what" stuff too, but a lot of the former.  It's almost like a fever has broken and the patient is beginning to recover their faculties.

Well, I suppose that's a good thing.  Although the Support-Trump-or-Die mode over there was amusing, since they claim to be conservative.....

[truth_seeker]

I know Trump people now hate Glenn Beck......

I saw through entertainment professional Beck years ago. Long before this election cycle.

He is mental. As in highly intelligent, recovery product, probably manic-depressive, good actor, etc. Probably more superlatives.

But hardly a good source for sober political discussion or guidance.

[Lando Lincoln]

I suspect more people will have a "voting booth change of mind" than we could have possibly imagined 10 days ago.  Polls are far less interesting than trends are at the moment.  Still 4 days.  It could go anywhere. 

[Meshuge Mikey]

No, there's a lot of overt anti-Trump stuff being said.  And, some of the "I support Trump no matter what" stuff too, but a lot of the former.  It's almost like a fever has broken and the patient is beginning to recover their faculties.

just WAIT until someone dares post a thread about Jimmy Carter Endorsing Thump

[andy58-in-nh]

I have noticed lately that Rush Limbaugh does not have Trump's back anymore. He has lately been very critical of Trump, and instead seems to be shifting his support for Cruz, and even said some positive things about Rubio and his appeal after his Iowa speech.  The tide has turned. It will only get harder for trump from here on. I would not be shocked if he lost New Hampshire. I would not have said that a week or two ago.

I have heard the same thing, and I'm glad that he is coming around as others clearly are, based not upon a desire to follow the crowd, but as a consequence of observation.

A significant segment of the conservative Republican electorate still shares a passion for the issues upon which Trump has based his candidacy: illegal immigration, out-of-control government growth, and an "America Last" foreign policy among them. It is gratifying that some of them are taking a second look to see if there might be a better champion to represent their often neglected interests. 

[Jazzhead]

The Other Site. ie. FR.

I've never been a member there.  I was a member for years at RepublicanOperative. 

[musiclady]

I saw through entertainment professional Beck years ago. Long before this election cycle.

He is mental. As in highly intelligent, recovery product, probably manic-depressive, good actor, etc. Probably more superlatives.

But hardly a good source for sober political discussion or guidance.

He's not 'mental.'  He's hyper-emotional and hyperbolic, but not insane.

What I do when I listen to Beck, is filter out the crazy stuff and listen for the substance.  There's been a lot lately, with his work to free the Christians being persecuted by ISIS in the Middle East.

And he's been spot on about Trump.

Take that, FWIW.  Trump uses Alinsky tactics all the time.  He's just creating chaos in the Republican primary process, and making us all look awful.  Fortunately, I think his game is about over because people are taking note of his childishness, his misogyny and his lack of any kind of core values.

I hope this Iowa temper tantrum does him in for good, and we can get on with the seriousness of beating the Socialists.

[HAPPY2BME]

I can certainly understand Trump's dropping in the polls.

The reason I am beginning to question Donald Trump is not for his incessant attacks on his opponents.  That's politics.

Unless his speeches are filled with details, I am not happy with Trump's still speaking in generalities and not specifics.

This "We're getting killed in trade deals with [fill-in-the-blank]" and "You're gonna be sick of winning!!" is a bit disconcerting to me, at this time in the campaign.

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Noticing it here too.

[Longiron]

 


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[sinkspur]

I can certainly understand Trump's dropping in the polls.

The reason I am beginning to question Donald Trump is not for his incessant attacks on his opponents.  That's politics.

Unless his speeches are filled with details, I am not happy with Trump's still speaking in generalities and not specifics.

This "We're getting killed in trade deals with [fill-in-the-blank]" and "You're gonna be sick of winning!!" is a bit disconcerting to me, at this time in the campaign.

When it was reported that 25% of federal workers were planning on quitting/retiring under a Donald Trump presidency, I quickly thought of Ronald Reagan and the Air-Traffic Controllers (ATC) union.   Was hoping he was going to say, we're going to cull the federal rolls by more than 25%.

Well, well, well.

Couldn't have gotten a better gift than to come back when the bloom is starting to come off the rose for my friend DC.

[NavyCanDo]

Please assist the ignorant - what is TOS?

Don't feel bad. I remember once posting the same question about what LOL meant.


And I think I asked that question on TOS.

What FR is, it's the largest membered Right-Wing political forum that I know of.  I would say its  more Libertarian than Republican, and members that supported a perceived moderate ticket like McCain/Palin or Romney/Ryan and now anyone but Trump, could get chewed up and spit out pretty easily there, and few there would defend you. There was also a lot of aloud bigotry, anti-Semitism as well as those who shamelessly defended their own religious denomination to the point of telling those of other denominations they were going to burn in hell.   It has been thought that some of the worst of the posters were actually leftist Trolls, trying to destroy the place, and that is a possibility. The forum made a lot of people uncomfortable, I know it did me. I left it on my own accord.     It may be an OK place to lurk, but I would not recommend diving in.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Probably because the purpose of many of them is to drive and control opinion and not to reflect it.

I wish I wrote that. 

[musiclady]

I wish I wrote that.

You can use it any time. 

[DCPatriot]

Well, well, well.

Couldn't have gotten a better gift than to come back when the bloom is starting to come off the rose for my friend DC.

 

We'll see......