Author Topic: Mitt Romney: GOP 'Nuts' for Not Backing Minimum Wage Boost (Read 3842 times)

ABX · « **on:** January 16, 2016, 03:58:05 pm »

I thought economics was this guy's strong suit.

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...As a party we speak a lot about deregulation and tax policy, and you know what? People have been hearing that for 25 years, and they're getting tired of that message," Romney said in a recent interview with the newspaper.

"I think we're nuts not to raise the minimum wage. I think, as a party, to say we're trying to help the middle class of America and the poor and not raise the minimum wage sends exactly the wrong signal."

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flowers · « **Reply #1 on:** January 16, 2016, 06:14:35 pm »

Sure you globalist elite. Why not raise it to $500 a hour? That way I would only have to pay 1k for a cheese burger.

Tell that to all those who just lost jobs this week at WalMart. I bet some of those stores closing had to give increase in min wage?

Bigun · « **Reply #2 on:** January 16, 2016, 06:16:31 pm »

Ididot!

alicewonders · « **Reply #3 on:** January 16, 2016, 06:29:54 pm »

Quote from: flowers on January 16, 2016, 06:14:35 pm

Sure you globalist elite. Why not raise it to $500 a hour? That way I would only have to pay 1k for a cheese burger. Tell that to all those who just lost jobs this week at WalMart. I bet some of those stores closing had to give increase in min wage?

katzenjammer · « **Reply #4 on:** January 16, 2016, 06:39:54 pm »

Pipe down, Mitt... before more people figure you out for the fraud that you are.

EdinVA · « **Reply #5 on:** January 16, 2016, 07:09:03 pm »

How in the world did he get the GOP nomination?

flowers · « **Reply #6 on:** January 16, 2016, 07:11:50 pm »

Quote from: EdinVA on January 16, 2016, 07:09:03 pm

How in the world did he get the GOP nomination?

That is the reason he did....GOPe!

flowers · « **Reply #7 on:** January 16, 2016, 07:18:05 pm »

Here you go Mitt. links to the ones you want to give min wage to.

Target Closing Stores: 13 Locations to Shutter in Midwest, West, South
http://www.newsmax.com/TheWire/targ...xzz3xElQCQ9r

Dunkin' Donuts Closing Stores; About 100 Locations to Shutter
http://www.newsmax.com/TheWire/dunk...2/id/694389/

Another:
J.C. Penney closing 7 stores in smaller markets
http://bizbeatblog.dallasnews.com/2...arkets.html/
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Bigun · « **Reply #8 on:** January 17, 2016, 02:43:11 am »

Quote from: Tom Rath on January 17, 2016, 02:38:54 am

When was the last time the minimum wage was raised? A small increase is probably not totally unreasonable.

Small, medium, or large, it's still stupid!

Bigun · « **Reply #9 on:** January 17, 2016, 02:49:41 am »

Quote from: Tom Rath on January 17, 2016, 02:44:04 am

I disagree.

That's fine. I'm OK with you doing that.

Paladin · « **Reply #10 on:** January 17, 2016, 02:53:58 am »

TR, where does any level of government in the US get the authority to dictate wages?

mountaineer · « **Reply #11 on:** January 17, 2016, 02:59:17 am »

Many states like mine have enacted a higher minimum wage than the federal govt.

Paladin · « **Reply #12 on:** January 17, 2016, 03:07:39 am »

Quote from: mountaineer on January 17, 2016, 02:59:17 am

Many states like mine have enacted a higher minimum wage than the federal govt.

Likewise here and some individual cities on the West Side, like Seattle, seek to raise it to $15/hr, as has already been done in SeaTac where the international airport and lots of hotels are.

truth_seeker · « **Reply #13 on:** January 17, 2016, 03:09:44 am »

Quote from: Paladin on January 17, 2016, 02:53:58 am

TR, where does any level of government in the US get the authority to dictate wages?

States have authority to do whatever they want provided it is not already defined by the US Constitution as a federal power.

California has environmental requirements often in excess of the federal regs. Auto emissions are an example.

States have local driving license and marriage license requirements.

The flip side is" Where is it written that states can NOT set minimum wages, or poultry inspection standards, or water quality standards?

I am not supporting all this, but it is pretty longstanding in practice, which by itself becomes a component of law.

Bigun · « **Reply #14 on:** January 17, 2016, 03:11:37 am »

Quote from: Paladin on January 17, 2016, 03:07:39 am

Likewise here and some individual cities on the West Side, like Seattle, seek to raise it to $15/hr, as has already been done in SeaTac where the international airport and lots of hotels are.

And they have seen the result!

Paladin · « **Reply #15 on:** January 17, 2016, 04:33:33 am »

Quote from: truth_seeker on January 17, 2016, 03:09:44 am

States have authority to do whatever they want provided it is not already defined by the US Constitution as a federal power.

Whatever they want? That strikes me as a bit of an overstatement.

But be that is it may, I still question governments at any level have the legal authority, other than assumed de facto powers, to set wages. In fact the first attempts in this country to establish minimum wages on the state level was declared unConstitutional in the early part of the 1900s. But then along came the New Deal and in 1933 we got the first federal minimum wage which was once again declared unConstitutional, then reinstated for good in 1938.

From this poisoned root came all the minimum wage laws which followed as governments everywhere, state and local, decided under force of law to establish wage policies for everyone under their authority. The whole concept is divorced from any sense of property rights and economic realities in favor of pandering to the electorate and, as usual, soliciting votes for themselves.

Paladin · « **Reply #16 on:** January 17, 2016, 05:10:33 am »

Quote from: Tom Rath on January 17, 2016, 04:48:10 am

Yes. Whatever they want, subject only to the Constitution. That is what the police power is.

Indeed. Care to show me where the Constitution says anything about wages? Yes, you can bend and warp the Commerce clause all to your heart's content, but how is it no one recognized the power of the Feds to establish wages of any kind prior to 1938, especially since that very power had twice already been declared unConstitutional?

TR, you seem like a reasonably intelligent fellow, but apparently you do not recognize your position would allow government to do ANYTHING it wishes so long as 5 SC justices say it can. I hate to tell you this but that is a prescription for despotism.

truth_seeker · « **Reply #17 on:** January 17, 2016, 05:21:10 am »

How about clean water, safe food ?

Paladin · « **Reply #18 on:** January 17, 2016, 05:33:20 am »

Quote from: truth_seeker on January 17, 2016, 05:21:10 am

How about clean water, safe food ?

What about them? That is not what we are talking about?

massadvj · « **Reply #19 on:** January 17, 2016, 06:16:24 am »

The minimum wage does not help the middle class. It helps create a permanent underclass by cutting off the first rung of the ladder out.

Bigun · « **Reply #20 on:** January 17, 2016, 02:18:54 pm »

Quote from: massadvj on January 17, 2016, 06:16:24 am

The minimum wage does not help the middle class. It helps create a permanent underclass by cutting off the first rung of the ladder out.

It also helps union thugs who's wage contracts are tied to the minimum wage! THAT is what this is all about and nothing more!

mountaineer · « **Reply #21 on:** January 17, 2016, 07:10:09 pm »

Quote from: Tom Rath on January 17, 2016, 04:11:05 pm

As far as the states are concerned, anything is allowed that is not prohibited. The states were full independent sovereigns prior to ratifying the Constitution and they retain all the powers of sovereignty that they did not give up. The Constitution does not prohibit the states from regulating wages, therefore they can regulate wages.

Perhaps, but I'd like to see a state legislature pass a state minimum wage below the federal one, and see what happens. Supremacy clause issue?

mountaineer · « **Reply #22 on:** January 17, 2016, 07:23:54 pm »

Then your statement, "The Constitution does not prohibit the states from regulating wages, therefore they can regulate wages," is conditional.

Sanguine · « **Reply #23 on:** January 17, 2016, 07:38:21 pm »

Quote from: Tom Rath on January 17, 2016, 03:28:30 am

The states from their natural police powers - the power every sovereign has to regulate what happens inside its borders. The federal government from the commerce clause of the Constitution.

No, sovereignty resides in the individual. By adopting the Constitution, we gave up a small amount of sovereignty to the Federal Government. SMALL.

EC · « **Reply #24 on:** January 17, 2016, 10:18:31 pm »

Quote from: massadvj on January 17, 2016, 06:16:24 am

The minimum wage does not help the middle class. It helps create a permanent underclass by cutting off the first rung of the ladder out.

Can you Cliff Notes the reasoning please?

I'm not doubting you in the slightest - I simply have an almost complete mental block when it comes to economics.