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"Trump Voters Are Not Just Angry - They Want Revenge"
« on: December 28, 2015, 11:21:44 pm »
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"Trump Voters Are Not Just Angry - They Want Revenge"

Submitted by Tyler Durden on 12/27/2015 16:40 -0500

Authored by Frank Lutz, originally posted at The FT,

Outraged by what Donald Trump says? You are not alone. No high-polling presidential candidate in the modern era has so intrepidly drawn the ire of so many within the American electorate. And there remains no end in sight.

Yet in rendering one voting bloc utterly apoplectic, he has appealed viscerally to another. The balance of middle ground politics is not, shall we say, Mr Trump’s bailiwick. But America is no longer a middle ground country. We are already scared by our division — and it is getting worse.

The simple truth is, the more provocative his language, the deeper and more passionate his support. He is no dummy; there is a method to his proverbial madness. Mr Trump says — to the growing legions who will listen — what tens of millions of Americans are already thinking. Respect or revile him, the man has hit a vein.

I spent three hours in a deep dialogue focus group with 29 Trump supporters. The phenomenon of “The Donald” is rooted in a psyche far deeper and more consequential than next November’s presidential election. His support denotes an abiding distrust in — and disrespect for — the governing elite. These individuals do not like being told by Washington or Wall Street what is best for them, do not like the direction America is headed in, and disdain President Barack Obama and his (perceived) circle of self-righteous, tone-deaf governing partisans.

Trump voters are not just angry — they want revenge.

Mr Trump has adroitly filled the vacuum of vitriol, establishing himself as the bold, brash, take-no-prisoners megaphone for the frustrated masses. They see him as the antidote to all that Mr Obama has made wrong with America. So to understand why millions love Mr Trump so much, you have to take a step back and listen to why they hate Mr Obama so much.

Here, my Trump voter focus group was particularly illuminating. Some still believe the president is not Christian. Many believe he does not love America. And just about all of them think he does not reflect the values the country was built upon. Indeed, within this growing faction, Mr Trump has licence to say just about anything. As we have seen repeatedly, the more outrageous the accusation, the more receptive the ear.

Mr Trump delights in unleashing harsh attacks on Jeb Bush, the Republican establishment and the “mainstream media”. His childlike joy in ridiculing his critics is tantamount to healing balm for the millions who have felt silenced, ignored and even scorned by the governing and media elite for so long. Is it any wonder that his declaration of war against “political correctness” is his most potent and predictable applause line?

Straight-talking candidates are nothing new in American politics. From Ross Perot in 1992 to John McCain in 2000, from Howard Dean in 2004 to Sarah Palin in 2008, they rise like a rocket on the fuel of their seemingly fresh and unencumbered aversion to traditional politics. They purport to say what they mean and mean what they say — bucking established electoral trends and ruffling established political feathers. Then they crash. The media turn sour. The message grows stale. The electorate gets bored.

Mr Trump is different. The media attacks on him have been fast and furious. Yet he has defied electoral gravity because the blows are delivered by an institution that is distrusted and an elite political and business establishment that is detested.

Meanwhile, voters consistently tell pollsters like me that negative attacks do not work; they hate the ad hominem assaults. Mr Trump? He dines out on them. As his devotees see it, it is not Mr Trump going negative. It is him telling the truth. And when he fights back, he’s throwing punches on their behalf. He said something outrageous? “He’s simply raising an important issue nobody else has the courage to talk about.” He insulted someone? “That’s just him campaigning. He won’t do that as president.” He changed his position? “That was a long time ago. Everyone’s entitled to change their mind.” He doesn’t have many policy specifics? “He doesn’t need them. He’ll surround himself with smart people.” They will justify any action, explain away any contradiction, and dismiss any criticism because they are so personally and passionately invested in him.

And here is the prediction that will furrow brows on both sides of the Atlantic. Mr Trump’s supporters today will be Mr Trump’s supporters next November if he is still a candidate — no matter what party banner he runs under. Half will follow him out of the Republican Party if he breaks his promise and declares as an independent. For better or worse, his supporters will follow him to the ends of the Earth — or to the White House. Whichever comes first.
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« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2015, 11:25:12 pm »
Abso-freakin'-lutely!    :smokin:
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« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2015, 12:39:53 am »
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So to understand why millions love Mr Trump so much, you have to take a step back and listen to why they hate Mr Obama so much.

It is not just about obama, it is the entire multi-party liberal elites that have driven this country into the ground for their own gain.
Republicans as well as Democrats are responsible.

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« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2015, 12:46:41 am »
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His support denotes an abiding distrust in — and disrespect for — the governing elite. These individuals do not like being told by Washington or Wall Street what is best for them, do not like the direction America is headed in, and disdain President Barack Obama and his (perceived) circle of self-righteous, tone-deaf governing partisans.
That fairly well describes me. I'm extremely angry and have a great deal of ill will toward Obama. I hate the direction we as a nation are headed. But I haven't been persuaded that Mr. Trump is - or has - the answer.
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« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2015, 12:56:20 am »
It is not just about obama, it is the entire multi-party liberal elites that have driven this country into the ground for their own gain.
Republicans as well as Democrats are responsible.

Absolutely right!

If even half the current "representatives of the people"  in Washington cared a whit about the oaths they swore Obama would already be LONG forgotten!
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« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2015, 12:57:21 am »
That fairly well describes me. I'm extremely angry and have a great deal of ill will toward Obama. I hate the direction we as a nation are headed. But I haven't been persuaded that Mr. Trump is - or has - the answer.


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« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2015, 12:58:05 am »
I hate the direction we as a nation are headed. But I haven't been persuaded that Mr. Trump is - or has - the answer.

Nor have I! In fact, I'm quite sure that he is not!
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« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2015, 01:34:10 am »
It is not just about obama, it is the entire multi-party liberal elites that have driven this country into the ground for their own gain.
Republicans as well as Democrats are responsible.

To a degree, YES! 

But my rage is limited to the Democrat leadership and the political eunuchs in their Party.

And unbridled rage at the mainstream media, which should be investigated from the corporate boardrooms down to the proof-readers and copywriters and editors.

Just give me 2 years of a Super Majority....and we'll see Donald Trump turn this sumbitch around.
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« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2015, 01:54:11 am »
To a degree, YES! 

But my rage is limited to the Democrat leadership and the political eunuchs in their Party.

And unbridled rage at the mainstream media, which should be investigated from the corporate boardrooms down to the proof-readers and copywriters and editors.

Just give me 2 years of a Super Majority....and we'll see Donald Trump turn this sumbitch around.

1 year of President Ted Cruz and you will see the Washington cartel dismantled.  :patriot:
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« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2015, 03:21:52 am »
Here's the money quote:

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His support denotes an abiding distrust in — and disrespect for — the governing elite.

The uniparty of governing elites must be abolished.  This is not revenge.  It's necessary and smart. 

Term limits are next.

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« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2015, 04:15:35 am »
1 year of President Ted Cruz and you will see the Washington cartel dismantled.  :patriot:

Yes, indeed!

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« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2015, 04:51:46 am »
1 year of President Ted Cruz and you will see the Washington cartel dismantled.  :patriot:

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« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2015, 08:45:57 pm »
It's time to break up the Washington cartel, oust the establishment and fight like we've never fought before...with Ted Cruz leading the way!  :patriot:
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« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2015, 08:50:35 pm »
It's time to break up the Washington cartel, oust the establishment and fight like we've never fought before...with Ted Cruz leading the way!  :patriot:

Ted? Ted is that you?????

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« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2015, 08:50:54 pm »
It's time to break up the Washington cartel, oust the establishment and fight like we've never fought before...with Ted Cruz leading the way!  :patriot:

Can live very well with that ! :beer:

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« Reply #15 on: December 29, 2015, 08:56:23 pm »
I don't think it's revenge that is driving it.  I think it's revolution.

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« Reply #16 on: December 29, 2015, 09:00:52 pm »


After the Political/Media/Business/Academic class heap bile and abuse on the heads of average Americans for decades, we finally found someone who takes it back to these clowns that they cannot buy or ignore.

It time the Political/Media bots all sit down, shut up and start listening for a change.

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« Reply #17 on: December 29, 2015, 09:05:59 pm »
And here is the prediction that will furrow brows on both sides of the Atlantic. Mr Trump’s supporters today will be Mr Trump’s supporters next November if he is still a candidate — no matter what party banner he runs under. Half will follow him out of the Republican Party if he breaks his promise and declares as an independent. For better or worse, his supporters will follow him to the ends of the Earth — or to the White House. Whichever comes first.
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I'm not sure about that last paragraph. I'm not sure how many voters would follow Trump into a third party. That remains to be seen. I would comment on it, but it is not something I want to think about at this present time. There are too many variables and situation is too dynamic to discuss what the outcome of a third party run would be.

[On a side note: It is refreshing, and surprising, to read a Trump thread that is actually still on target. A week ago, by now we would have an argument going about whether or not Trump said some obscure quote from 10 years ago, or whether or not his hair is real, or some nonsense, and the thread would be totally hijacked and headed for nowhere. I see a change for the better.]
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« Reply #18 on: December 29, 2015, 09:13:55 pm »
And here is the prediction that will furrow brows on both sides of the Atlantic. Mr Trump’s supporters today will be Mr Trump’s supporters next November if he is still a candidate — no matter what party banner he runs under. Half will follow him out of the Republican Party if he breaks his promise and declares as an independent. For better or worse, his supporters will follow him to the ends of the Earth — or to the White House. Whichever comes first.
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I'm not sure about that last paragraph. I'm not sure how many voters would follow Trump into a third party. That remains to be seen. I would comment on it, but it is not something I want to think about at this present time. There are too many variables and situation is too dynamic to discuss what the outcome of a third party run would be.

[On a side note: It is refreshing, and surprising, to read a Trump thread that is actually still on target. A week ago, by now we would have an argument going about whether or not Trump said some obscure quote from 10 years ago, or whether or not his hair is real, or some nonsense, and the thread would be totally hijacked and headed for nowhere. I see a change for the better.]


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« Reply #19 on: December 29, 2015, 09:14:03 pm »
That fairly well describes me. I'm extremely angry and have a great deal of ill will toward Obama. I hate the direction we as a nation are headed. But I haven't been persuaded that Mr. Trump is - or has - the answer.

That's because he isn't, and hasn't.
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« Reply #20 on: December 29, 2015, 09:15:44 pm »
That's because he isn't, and hasn't.

Please tell us why? And what would your candidate do ?  :0001:

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« Reply #21 on: December 29, 2015, 09:19:49 pm »
Please tell us why? And what would your candidate do ?  :0001:
We're waiting for Trump to explain how he would solve the problems the US has, especially the deficit. What we're saying is that Trump is great with soundbites, insults and generalities - we want solutions. Perhaps, if you're a Trump supporter, you could tell us what he's going to do about the economy, the deficit and the many other issues (besides the Mexican border) we're facing as a nation.
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« Reply #22 on: December 29, 2015, 09:19:56 pm »

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[On a side note: It is refreshing, and surprising, to read a Trump thread that is actually still on target. A week ago, by now we would have an argument going about whether or not Trump said some obscure quote from 10 years ago, or whether or not his hair is real, or some nonsense, and the thread would be totally hijacked and headed for nowhere. I see a change for the better.]

I've noticed the difference. 

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« Reply #23 on: December 29, 2015, 09:20:54 pm »
That fairly well describes me. I'm extremely angry and have a great deal of ill will toward Obama. I hate the direction we as a nation are headed. But I haven't been persuaded that Mr. Trump is - or has - the answer.
Good at bashing TRUMP but PLEASE tell everyone what your CANDIDATE would do that we all will fall in luv with he /she. Don't like TRUMP, FINE BUT why does no one  that  dislikes or Hates him NEVER tell anyone what their candidate will DO. IT is not all the hard of a question?? :whistle:
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« Reply #24 on: December 29, 2015, 09:23:59 pm »
Good at bashing TRUMP but PLEASE tell everyone what your CANDIDATE would do that we all will fall in luv with he /she. Don't like TRUMP, FINE BUT why does no one  that  dislikes or Hates him NEVER tell anyone what their candidate will DO. IT is not all the hard of a question?? :whistle:
My comment did not "bash" Trump. I merely said I haven't been persuaded that he's the answer. To think that such an innocuous comment is bashing is extremely thin-skinned (almost Obamalike).
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