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Webb Attacks Clinton With Eye on Independent Run
« on: December 27, 2015, 02:01:43 am »
Webb Attacks Clinton With Eye on Independent Run

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-12-26/webb-attacks-clinton-with-eye-on-independent-run

If he declared an outsider presidential bid, the former Democratic candidate could have an outsize effect on the race.

by Ben Brody
 
December 26, 2015

When Jim Webb quit the Democratic presidential race on Oct. 20 amid low poll numbers and a minimal debate presence, the former Virginia senator left open the possibility he'd return for a White House run in a different political guise. Now he appears to be edging closer to making good on it.

On Saturday morning, Webb used Twitter and his Facebook page to attack Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton for her handling of Libya during her time as secretary of state.

The lengthy condemnation on Facebook, which said, among other things that "Clinton should be called to account for her inept leadership that brought about the chaos in Libya," came just days before the end of the year, which his team had previously told CNN would be reasonable time for them to make a decision about an independent bid.

Since dropping out of the race for the Democratic nomination, Webb has continued to maintain his Webb2016 website, which he has updated with posts about the possibilities of an independent run. On Twitter, he and his fans have been promoting a #WebbNation hashtag.

A run by Webb, who often manages his own social media accounts and has also used them recently to promote a petition in favor of his run and to deliver kudos to Bernie Sanders in his battles with the Democratic National Committee ("nothing more than an arm for the Clinton campaign," Webb tweeted), could further complicate the already unpredictable 2016 election.

While observers typically have analyzed the prospect of a third-party or independent run by Republican front-runner Donald Trump — or even one from Sanders — Webb could still alter the dynamics of the race even with his smaller profile.

A recent CNN poll, for instance, forecast tight races between Clinton and several Republican contenders in hypothetical match-ups for the general election. Webb's campaign has told Bloomberg it would concentrate on mobilizing voters in the ideological middle, along with people who have become dissatisfied with politics.

In a tight race, even a small base of support could make him a factor. Ralph Nader, for instance, famously won only small percentages of the vote in many states in the 2000 presidential election, yet that arguably helped tip the Electoral College vote to then-Texas Governor George W. Bush, denying Democratic Vice President Al Gore, the winner of the popular vote, the presidency.

Webb could also get a boost from the organizers of the general election debates, who are preparing for the possibility of three candidates onstage, albeit ones who thus far, have managed to command far more support than Webb the roughly one percent of Democratic support Webb managed to muster by the time he quote the race.

There's no ensuring that Webb would be a spoiler for Clinton even as he attacks her. Although he ran as a Democrat to serve in the Senate, he is a highly decorated Vietnam veteran who also served for a time as President Reagan's secretary of the navy and has won conservative plaudits. Even Saturday's attack echoed the talking points of Republican candidates and groups.

His public statements, meanwhile, have focused economic populism and breaking the monopoly of the two-party system.

Despite the apparent escalation of his interest in an independent bid and his aides previously stated interest in making Webb's intentions known by the beginning of 2016, history suggests he could toy with voters for quite some time. Webb missed his own self-imposed deadline for getting into the Democratic race and blatantly disregarded conventional wisdom on political timing when finally declared hours before the beginning of the July 4 holiday.

In addition, the earliest state deadline for submitting signatures for an independent presidential run is May 9 in Texas, according to Ballot Access News. Given that most filing deadlines occur in August, Webb's post-Christmas social activity could be another trial balloon.

Craig Crawford, a top aide on the small campaign, did not immediately return request for comment on Saturday on the prospect that Webb is planning an imminent return to the race, nor did a Clinton spokesman respond to the attack.

Crawford, though, told Bloomberg in October that he has been studying the Nader playbook and that an outsider bid is easier than it was 15 years ago but still "requires a lot more multitasking."

Yet the main question was the feasibility of that multitasking, including primarily gathering signatures to get on the ballot, rather than Webb's belief in his message, Crawford added.

"Are we comfortable that there’s actually a chance to get on enough ballots to actually have a mathematical chance?" Crawford said the campaign was asking. "Jim’s not going to do this as a protest thing.”


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Re: Webb Attacks Clinton With Eye on Independent Run
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2015, 02:02:57 am »
Different type of content, to break up the monotony of GOPe this, and GOPe that for a change.

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Re: Webb Attacks Clinton With Eye on Independent Run
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2015, 09:45:59 am »
Different type of content, to break up the monotony of GOPe this, and GOPe that for a change.

Good call.

When Webb was running as a rat, I saw him as godless scumsucking traitor to America and humanity...but now that he is considering an independent run to give voice to millions of Democrats who feel alienated from the rat party I see him for the true patriot he is.  I would never vote for him, but if it looks like might endanger Hitlery, I might send him a few bucks. :laugh:

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Re: Webb Attacks Clinton With Eye on Independent Run
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2015, 02:16:00 pm »
An independent run can only be successful if a significant number of people view the nominees of the major parties as presenting a choice between evils.  Webb's opportunity will present itself if we get Trump-Clinton,  which will cleave what I'll call main-street conservatives from the Reagan-Democrats who are backing Trump.

Will those who view Trump as a dangerous demagogue be attracted to a third option rather than be good Germans?  Will those who view him as unserious and half-cocked be attracted by a credible alternative with security/foreign policy credentials?  The big danger is history's lesson of demagoguery prevailing when the field is split and a plurality is all that's needed.  Hitler needed 35% of the vote in 1933 and even Clinton won two terms without the support of a majority.   


 

 
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Re: Webb Attacks Clinton With Eye on Independent Run
« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2015, 02:21:00 pm »
Tell us what your candidate will present to the USA ? Waiting?? :patriot:

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Re: Webb Attacks Clinton With Eye on Independent Run
« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2015, 02:29:33 pm »
Tell us what your candidate will present to the USA ? Waiting?? :patriot:

Seriousness.  Respect for the job and the responsibility it carries.  More fundamentally, respect for the voters.  Trump is PT Barnum bellowing to bring in the suckers.   
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Re: Webb Attacks Clinton With Eye on Independent Run
« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2015, 02:57:53 pm »
Webb's opportunity will present itself if we get Trump-Clinton,  which will cleave what I'll call main-street conservatives from the Reagan-Democrats who are backing Trump.

Bush-Clinton would have a very similar effect.

I know I'd look more favorably on Webb in that circumstance. He really didn't belong in the Dem debate, at all.Or the modern Democrat party, by the bits and pieces I've read of him - he seems more an old school Liberal than a Socialist.
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Re: Webb Attacks Clinton With Eye on Independent Run
« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2015, 06:25:05 pm »
Seriousness.  Respect for the job and the responsibility it carries.  More fundamentally, respect for the voters.  Trump is PT Barnum bellowing to bring in the suckers.

Let's see TRUMP is self funding and has no donors for this JOB. I guess he is spending his own money on something he does not respect. That makes good liberal sense? Maybe he feels good about the POTUS, does that qualify?  Responsibilty: Again he will build a wall, make our country safe, again, Get rid of ISIS as a threat to America, build our military, Make sure the people that have fought and got wounded for this country so we can sit hear at a computer discussing the BS are CARED for with the respect they deserve. Illegals should not be treated better that out Vets  and they are! Think that is RESPONSIBLE, probably NOT. I know you do not see the crowds at his townhall's because you hate him but they are not there because he has no RESPECT for them and they him but you do not understand that concept.  PLEASE tell EVERYONE what your candidate will bring respect and responsibility to the job and how they respect the voter? Just like all haters you do not have the COURAGE to say what your person will or will not do. Hating is what you are good at and will not take a position on anything?? :chairbang:
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Re: Webb Attacks Clinton With Eye on Independent Run
« Reply #8 on: December 27, 2015, 07:42:25 pm »
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Let's see TRUMP is self funding and has no donors for this JOB.
One, he has plenty of donors—just ask the FEC. He's raised a few million.

Two, he's not openly soliciting because he's engaging in a practice called "ambush marketing:" he has enough name recognition, along with the media's ear, to simply open his mouth and let the outrage ensue. As the old adage goes, "any publicity is good publicity." Ambush marketing costs nothing.
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Re: Webb Attacks Clinton With Eye on Independent Run
« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2015, 09:02:20 pm »
One, he has plenty of donors—just ask the FEC. He's raised a few million.

Two, he's not openly soliciting because he's engaging in a practice called "ambush marketing:" he has enough name recognition, along with the media's ear, to simply open his mouth and let the outrage ensue. As the old adage goes, "any publicity is good publicity." Ambush marketing costs nothing.

Ambush Markrting  :silly: You had to make that up? Let's see you have to have name recognition. Then you have to have the media actually care about what one has to say or do. Not many can do that including rock stars, athletes or any other POTUS candidates for 2016. Sure hope you are not a business major  :silly:
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Re: Webb Attacks Clinton With Eye on Independent Run
« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2015, 09:12:40 pm »
Good call.

When Webb was running as a rat, I saw him as godless scumsucking traitor to America and humanity...but now that he is considering an independent run to give voice to millions of Democrats who feel alienated from the rat party I see him for the true patriot he is.  I would never vote for him, but if it looks like might endanger Hitlery, I might send him a few bucks. :laugh:
He could perform the service that Nader did; that of helping the Republicans to win, like he it did in 2000.

The best 3rd party candidate, is on your opponent's side. Nader good, Perot not good. John Anderson not good. Pat Buchanan not good. etc.

Webb good.
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Re: Webb Attacks Clinton With Eye on Independent Run
« Reply #11 on: December 27, 2015, 09:22:04 pm »
Even if he shaves 5% off Hillary's numbers, he could cause her to lose.
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