Trump Proposes Replacing Obamacare with Government-Funded Universal Healthcare

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Donald Trump said on 60 Minutes last Sunday that he would, as president, work to repeal Obamacare and replace it with a government-funded universal healthcare program....

...Trump began explaining, “There’s many different ways, by the way. Everybody’s got to be covered. This is an un-Republican thing for me to say because a lot of times they say, ‘No, no, the lower 25 percent that can’t afford private.’ But…”

Pelley then interrupted, noting that Trump was describing a universal healthcare plan.

Trump continued, “I am going to take care of everybody. I don’t care if it costs me votes or not. Everybody’s going to be taken care of much better than they’re taken care of now.”

The real estate billionaire then explained that he “would make a deal with existing hospitals to take care” of uninsured Americans.

When Pelley asked him to clarify who would pay for the plan, Trump replied, “The government’s gonna pay for it.....

http://truthinmedia.com/trump-obamacare-government-universal-healthcare/

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Nobody cares what Trump said about illegals getting a path last June, and Trump said this almost 3 months ago.  Are we going to now go all the way back to the beginning of this fall's TV season and judge Trump on every little government funded universal social safety net program he proposes?  You're a hater AbaraXas, and you must support Jeb.

[GAJohnnie]

The real estate billionaire then explained that he “would make a deal with existing hospitals to take care” of uninsured Americans.

Medicare all ready does that. So all this "angst" about a deliberate mis-quote of what Trump said.

[EdinVA]

Not sure what the issue is, this is the RNC platform on the "health insurance" industry, not to  be confused with healthcare.
https://gop.com/platform/renewing-american-values/

[aligncare]

Not sure what the issue is, this is the RNC platform on the "health insurance" industry, not to  be confused with healthcare.
https://gop.com/platform/renewing-american-values/

The issue is Trump got up this morning and said some things--anything. Political enemies aren't choosy.

[EdinVA]

The issue is Trump got up this morning and said some things--anything. Political enemies aren't choosy.

I find it interesting that people accuse Trump of not being republican, yet most of his positions that people get so excited about come from the RNC platform.
Maybe the RNC platform is wrong?

[libertybele]

Not sure what the issue is, this is the RNC platform on the "health insurance" industry, not to  be confused with healthcare.
https://gop.com/platform/renewing-american-values/

The RNC's statements on the "health insurance" industry; improving quality and lowering costs and ensuring consumer choice in health care are pretty broad.  That has been the 'mission statement' of both the left and the right.  That is exactly what Bammiecare was supposed to do and it failed.  The comments Trump made were about healthcare ... which he said the government was going to pay for.  Clearly that is socialized/universal healthcare and I am absolutely against it.

I personally reflect back on Ron Paul's comments on healthcare and agree with him; "Only true free market competition will put pressure on the providers and force them to lower their costs to remain in business. Change the tax code to allow individual Americans to fully deduct all health care costs from their taxes. Through these measures and the elimination of government-sponsored health care monopolies a much larger number of people will be able to finally access affordable health care...

http://www.ronpaul.com/health-care/

http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Ron_Paul_Health_Care.htm

[EdinVA]

The RNC's statements on the "health insurance" industry; improving quality and lowering costs and ensuring consumer choice in health care are pretty broad.  That has been the 'mission statement' of both the left and the right.  That is exactly what Bammiecare was supposed to do and it failed.  The comments Trump made were about healthcare ... which he said the government was going to pay for.  Clearly that is socialized/universal healthcare and I am absolutely against it.

I personally reflect back on Ron Paul's comments on healthcare and agree with him; "Only true free market competition will put pressure on the providers and force them to lower their costs to remain in business. Change the tax code to allow individual Americans to fully deduct all health care costs from their taxes. Through these measures and the elimination of government-sponsored health care monopolies a much larger number of people will be able to finally access affordable health care...

http://www.ronpaul.com/health-care/

http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Ron_Paul_Health_Care.htm

I have no disagreement with the intent of making sure everyone has access to healthcare but the problem I have with all of the conversations is no one, that I can find, has listed the problems and causes with the "prior to obamacare" system.  What are we trying to solve, why is that a problem and what are our approaches to solving those problems.  The only problems I have heard is people using the emergency room and I am not sure why that is a problem.

There is a difference between making sure people have healthcare when they need it and forcing them to have healthcare insurance under threat of jail time.

[sinkspur]

Nobody cares what Trump said about illegals getting a path last June, and Trump said this almost 3 months ago.  Are we going to now go all the way back to the beginning of this fall's TV season and judge Trump on every little government funded universal social safety net program he proposes?  You're a hater AbaraXas, and you must support Jeb.

Doesn't matter what Trump said the day before yesterday.  He and his followers (he has followers, not supporters) will explain it away and justify something like universal healthcare PAID FOR by the government as just fine.

And the poster who referred to Medicare:  Medicare is going broke, so where's the money going to come from to fund Medicare for all?

[Longiron]

The TRUMP haters like here keep on hating and TRUMP keeps getting stronger. Keep it up, PLEASE and CNN is your favorite Cable Channel. 



http://therightscoop.com/brand-new-cnn-poll-has-trump-increasing-his-lead/

[jmyrlefuller]

The TRUMP haters like here keep on hating and TRUMP keeps getting stronger. Keep it up, PLEASE

Would you spport this position if it were anyone else, or is this display of hubris simply because you worship TRUMP (as you put it) as a God?

[Longiron]

Would you spport this position if it were anyone else, or is this display of hubris simply because you worship TRUMP (as you put it) as a God?

Thank you JMY keep it up and that is ok. I sure you believe when TRUMP hits 60% he will implode. You, and other haters on here, you know the smart ones like the RINOGOPe fans spend 100 MILLION dollars on BUSHIE to get 3 % of the vote. He is on a roll now because he will get endorsed by Ms Lindsey and his .000002 %. LOOK out TRUMP your days of being on top from DAY 1 are going to be over with at 60%. You can't FIX Stupid no matter what the facts are.

[libertybele]

Thank you JMY keep it up and that is ok. I sure you believe when TRUMP hits 60% he will implode. You, and other haters on here, you know the smart ones like the RINOGOPe fans spend 100 MILLION dollars on BUSHIE to get 3 % of the vote. He is on a roll now because he will get endorsed by Ms Lindsey and his .000002 %. LOOK out TRUMP your days of being on top from DAY 1 are going to be over with at 60%. You can't FIX Stupid no matter what the facts are.

I do not hate Trump as he represents the anti-establishment.  I agree with him on issues such as illegal immigration and not allowing the influx of terrorists that the DEMS and GOPe are hell bent on allowing into this country.  My concern with Trump and has been from the very beginning, is his lack of knowledge of the 'mechanics' of government.  Our country is not a business, we are a Republic within a democracy that has a Constitution that needs to be honored and adhered to; something that the DEMS and GOPe seem to have forgotten.  Yes, I do believe Trump would actually be able to lead, but he expects to get his way by negotiating "deals" and insulting those that don't agree with him; that's not how government functions and certainly if he expects to insult leaders in others countries to get what he wants it WILL at the very least be an embarrassment. Perhaps most importantly and the DEMS and GOPe have also seemed to have forgotten is that the POTUS and Congress works for us.  We do not work for them.  By Trump's actions and his words; I don't think he sees it that way.

[GourmetDan]

 
Government-provided 'health care for all' always ends up restricting supply to 'save money'...

Pretty soon all hospitals are like the VA and everyone hopes they get treated before they die or are incapacitated by their medical issues...

Socialism = shared misery

Except for the elite, of course...

[Longiron]

Government-provided 'health care for all' always ends up restricting supply to 'save money'...

Pretty soon all hospitals are like the VA and everyone hopes they get treated before they die or are incapacitated by their medical issues...

Socialism = shared misery

Except for the elite, of course...

Being in the health care industry I can say with knowledge that the Doctors and Nurses that are in the VA do a dam good job and are professional as any in the largest and best Hospitals in this country. The Problem with the VA is Management, PERIOD. They are the bureaucrats that do nothing except play politics and could not manage a Kool AID stand. If the VA was run like the hospitals they are linked to and most VA are tied directly into the best medical facilities in this country they would be as good as them. However, when you get GOV't involved in anything except the military and they screwed that up you WILL have problems. Want to FIX the VA get professional ( Private) hospital people and Administration managing the place not GOV'T bureaucrats.

[Sanguine]

Not sure what the issue is, this is the RNC platform on the "health insurance" industry, not to  be confused with healthcare.
https://gop.com/platform/renewing-american-values/

Shows how wrong the RNC is. 

[EdinVA]

Shows how wrong the RNC is.

Maybe... It depends on what is to be accomplished..
If the goal is to solve a particular set of problems, the lets see the problem description and an explanation of how the proposed solution is going to solve it.
Then we can figure out who is wrong.

The other issue is, the RNC is simply trying to buy votes, as the Dems are, and want to fabricate an illusion that they are going to make healthcare better by dissolving the insurance industry.
It is amusing... People routinely buy $50K cars but complain about a $5000 medical annual insurance fee... we seem to be a little backwards.

[GourmetDan]

Being in the health care industry I can say with knowledge that the Doctors and Nurses that are in the VA do a dam good job and are professional as any in the largest and best Hospitals in this country. The Problem with the VA is Management, PERIOD. They are the bureaucrats that do nothing except play politics and could not manage a Kool AID stand. If the VA was run like the hospitals they are linked to and most VA are tied directly into the best medical facilities in this country they would be as good as them. However, when you get GOV't involved in anything except the military and they screwed that up you WILL have problems. Want to FIX the VA get professional ( Private) hospital people and Administration managing the place not GOV'T bureaucrats.

I'm thinking that my scenario comes true long before yours does...

[Longiron]

I'm thinking that my scenario comes true long before yours does...

Yea! You are probably Right. I just hope the VETRAN gets treated well and with the respect they deserve. I do believe that will happen under  a TRUMP Presidency even if the Private Hospitals do it and get reimbursed some how.

[Bigun]

Yea! You are probably Right. I just hope the VETRAN gets treated well and with the respect they deserve. I do believe that will happen under  a TRUMP Presidency even if the Private Hospitals do it and get reimbursed some how.

The problem with the VA is that it is a government run enterprise that needs to be PRIVATIZED to the maximum extent possible! (I am well aware that it cannot be done 100%)

[Longiron]

The problem with the VA is that it is a government run enterprise that needs to be PRIVATIZED to the maximum extent possible! (I am well aware that it cannot be done 100%)

Agree and they could by HIRING outside (Private) Administration and Management. Most all of the RN's and MD's are from the outside and work or have worked in Private Hospitals and Clinics. However, it is a Gov't enterprise and that is tough to do. It is a ATTITUDE and not a good ONE.

[EdinVA]

The problem with the VA is that it is a government run enterprise that needs to be PRIVATIZED to the maximum extent possible! (I am well aware that it cannot be done 100%)

Before that, a bunch of people need to be fired and loose their retirement and status.

[Bigun]

Before that, a bunch of people need to be fired and loose their retirement and status.

ABSOLUTELY!! 

[Fishrrman]

libertybele wrote above:
"Perhaps most importantly and the DEMS and GOPe have also seemed to have forgotten is that the POTUS and Congress works for us.  We do not work for them.  By Trump's actions and his words; I don't think he sees it that way."

I didn't copy/paste your entire post above, but I agree with all of it.

That remains my great reservation about Mr. Trump. He's spent much of his life being "the boss" and the center of attention, but I sense he fails to grasp the responsibilities that a president has to the people, who elect and employ him.

If he does get himself elected, I would hope that the weight of this burden becomes undeniable when he walks into the Oval Office, and that he's got enough "inside" to grow into the task.

If he doesn't, it will be a rough ride ahead...

[Formerly Once-Ler]

I do not hate Trump as he represents the anti-establishment.  I agree with him on issues such as illegal immigration and not allowing the influx of terrorists that the DEMS and GOPe are hell bent on allowing into this country.  My concern with Trump and has been from the very beginning, is his lack of knowledge of the 'mechanics' of government.  Our country is not a business, we are a Republic within a democracy that has a Constitution that needs to be honored and adhered to; something that the DEMS and GOPe seem to have forgotten.  Yes, I do believe Trump would actually be able to lead, but he expects to get his way by negotiating "deals" and insulting those that don't agree with him; that's not how government functions and certainly if he expects to insult leaders in others countries to get what he wants it WILL at the very least be an embarrassment. Perhaps most importantly and the DEMS and GOPe have also seemed to have forgotten is that the POTUS and Congress works for us.  We do not work for them.  By Trump's actions and his words; I don't think he sees it that way.

I overlooked it before, and it took Fishrrman to point it out, but this is an excellent post.