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Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
« Reply #675 on: December 03, 2015, 06:41:28 pm »
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/US-California-Shootings/2015/12/03/id/704356/
CNN Sources: California Gunman Was Radicalized, Contacted Terror Suspects

Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/US-California-Shootings/2015/12/03/id/704356/#ixzz3tHhvE6Jh

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Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
« Reply #676 on: December 03, 2015, 06:47:12 pm »


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« Reply #677 on: December 03, 2015, 06:53:04 pm »
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/US-California-Shootings/2015/12/03/id/704356/
CNN Sources: California Gunman Was Radicalized, Contacted Terror Suspects

Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/US-California-Shootings/2015/12/03/id/704356/#ixzz3tHhvE6Jh
Of course this was a ISis attack.


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Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
« Reply #678 on: December 03, 2015, 07:08:21 pm »
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....Farook described himself as being from Karachi, Pakistan, but was born in Chicago and was residing in Los Angles as an American citizen....

Pretty interesting wording.

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« Reply #679 on: December 03, 2015, 07:16:34 pm »
did anyone here watch the presser? Did the police chief say they didn't have GoPro cameras?


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Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
« Reply #680 on: December 03, 2015, 07:57:58 pm »
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-03/san-bernardino-police-briefing-mass-shooting-live-feed

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CNN also says investigators are analyzing an apparent "bomb lab" at Farook's residence. Authorities have reportedly discovered "hundreds" of tools that could be used to make IEDs.

As reported earlier, the couple used a DPMS model and a Smith & Wesson M&P 15 along with two handguns - a llama and a Smith & Wesson - in the attack. The rifles, two .223s, are capable of piercing bulletproof vests. The weapons were purchased legally.



Farook and Malik also placed a "device" consisting of three connected pipe bombs at the scene. Apparently, the remote detonator failed. 65-75 rounds were fired in the initial attack. 76 additional shots were fired at officers.

Found in the suspects' home:

    2,500 .223 rounds
    2,000 9mm rounds
    12 pipe bombs

Found in the black SUV:

    1,400 .223 rounds
    200 9mm rounds

The trove of weapons police discovered indicated that the pair were "armed for a second attack."
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Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
« Reply #681 on: December 03, 2015, 08:04:10 pm »
http://hotair.com/archives/2015/12/03/radicalized-sources-tell-cnn-that-farook-was-in-touch-with-more-than-one-international-terror-suspect/

“Radicalized”: Sources tell CNN that Farook was in touch with more than one international terror suspect
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Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
« Reply #682 on: December 03, 2015, 08:06:53 pm »
http://hotair.com/archives/2015/12/03/abcs-brian-ross-on-san-bernardino-this-looks-like-a-hybrid-workplace-jihad/

ABC’s Brian Ross on San Bernardino: This looks like a “hybrid workplace jihad”
posted at 11:21 am on December 3, 2015 by Allahpundit

   

“Workplace jihad,” huh? That’s an … interesting term. And a step up for this guy. Remember, his first instinct after a mass shooting is to start checking tea-party membership rosters.

I think I see what he’s getting at, though. Maybe Farook is a jihadi who simply chose his own place of business as a soft target. He knew the layout of the building and he knew what sort of security he could expect there. Fox News ran a report late last night suggesting that he may have been at the Christmas party simply to case the place and make sure there’d be no surprises for him once he and his wife started shooting. The alternative, that this is a going-postal workplace rampage by a disgruntled worker who just happens to be a devout Muslim, is increasingly hard to believe. Workplace rampages typically don’t see multiple shooters; if Farook was angry at his boss or the department at large, why was his wife armed to the teeth too? Workplace rampages typically involve shooting and nothing but shooting, but Farook and his wife were stocked up with pipe bombs. A lot of them, too — cops reportedly found a “rollout bag” containing multiple devices in the SUV, raising the ominous question of what Farook was planning to do with those if the plan wasn’t to set all of them off at work. The fact that they were wearing GoPro cameras on their body armor also suggests more of a political motive, to create jihadi propaganda, than a workplace rampage. (But not necessarily. Remember Vester Flanagan?) Although that raises another question: When and how was Farook planning to publish that video?

Maybe the best evidence, though, that this was motivated by a cause rather than a personal grievance is this creepy but otherwise seemingly minor detail:

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Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
« Reply #683 on: December 03, 2015, 08:08:08 pm »
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-03/san-bernardino-police-briefing-mass-shooting-live-feed

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CNN also says investigators are analyzing an apparent "bomb lab" at Farook's residence. Authorities have reportedly discovered "hundreds" of tools that could be used to make IEDs.

As reported earlier, the couple used a DPMS model and a Smith & Wesson M&P 15 along with two handguns - a llama and a Smith & Wesson - in the attack. The rifles, two .223s, are capable of piercing bulletproof vests. The weapons were purchased legally.



Farook and Malik also placed a "device" consisting of three connected pipe bombs at the scene. Apparently, the remote detonator failed. 65-75 rounds were fired in the initial attack. 76 additional shots were fired at officers.

Found in the suspects' home:

    2,500 .223 rounds
    2,000 9mm rounds
    12 pipe bombs

Found in the black SUV:

    1,400 .223 rounds
    200 9mm rounds

The trove of weapons police discovered indicated that the pair were "armed for a second attack."

That settles it. Just another case of workplace violence.
Can we get some more gun laws?!

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« Reply #684 on: December 03, 2015, 08:15:56 pm »
Wait a minute.....what if those two other guns are linked to Fast n Furious?

Bingo!

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« Reply #685 on: December 03, 2015, 08:17:19 pm »
Pretty interesting wording.

You beat me to it.  It is "interesting"

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Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
« Reply #686 on: December 03, 2015, 08:18:32 pm »
http://hotair.com/archives/2015/12/03/radicalized-sources-tell-cnn-that-farook-was-in-touch-with-more-than-one-international-terror-suspect/

“Radicalized”: Sources tell CNN that Farook was in touch with more than one international terror suspect
If I remember correctly yesterday from the scanner feed they were asking about a friend of his and said authorities where inquiring about a person last week.


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« Reply #687 on: December 03, 2015, 08:27:31 pm »
The feds are going to grab on to the theory that has the best traction and best fits the political agenda.
The truth is not going to matter.

My theory is that since moving large amounts of money and having regular communications are easy to spot, isis etal have plants all over the country, working everyday mundane jobs, paying their bills and otherwise being inconspicuous, regularly reporting on targets of opportunity and waiting for the go signal..
These plants are expensive to recruit, indoctrinate, train and equip so they are trying to find targets that enable reusable assets, meaning they can go in, hit the target and get out and strike again later rather than blowing themselves up or fighting to the death.  I think this was a test to figure out our ability to respond and their ability to escape.
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« Reply #688 on: December 03, 2015, 08:27:55 pm »
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-03/san-bernardino-police-briefing-mass-shooting-live-feed

excerpt:

CNN also says investigators are analyzing an apparent "bomb lab" at Farook's residence. Authorities have reportedly discovered "hundreds" of tools that could be used to make IEDs.

As reported earlier, the couple used a DPMS model and a Smith & Wesson M&P 15 along with two handguns - a llama and a Smith & Wesson - in the attack. The rifles, two .223s, are capable of piercing bulletproof vests. The weapons were purchased legally.



Farook and Malik also placed a "device" consisting of three connected pipe bombs at the scene. Apparently, the remote detonator failed. 65-75 rounds were fired in the initial attack. 76 additional shots were fired at officers.

Found in the suspects' home:

    2,500 .223 rounds
    2,000 9mm rounds
    12 pipe bombs

Found in the black SUV:

    1,400 .223 rounds
    200 9mm rounds

The trove of weapons police discovered indicated that the pair were "armed for a second attack."

Can anyone here tell me how much it would cost to buy all that ammo. 6000 rounds?


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« Reply #689 on: December 03, 2015, 08:29:37 pm »
The feds are going to grab on to the theory that has the best traction and best fits the political agenda.
The truth is not going to matter.

My theory is that since moving large amounts of money and having regular communications are easy to spot, isis etal have plants all over the country, working everyday mundane jobs, paying their bills and otherwise being inconspicuous, regularly reporting on targets of opportunity and waiting for the go signal..
These plants are expensive to recruit, indoctrinate, train and equip so they are trying to find targets that enable reusable assets, meaning they can go in, hit the target and get out and strike again later rather than blowing themselves up or fighting to the death.  I think this was a test to figure out our ability to respond and their ability to escape.
good theory.


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« Reply #690 on: December 03, 2015, 08:31:05 pm »
Can anyone here tell me how much it would cost to buy all that ammo. 6000 rounds?

About $100 for 500 rds

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« Reply #691 on: December 03, 2015, 08:36:03 pm »
About $100 for 500 rds
So about 1200 dollars. Thanks.


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« Reply #692 on: December 03, 2015, 08:36:12 pm »
About $100 for 500 rds

A rough guess around $3000.00 for all the .223 and 9mm.
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« Reply #693 on: December 03, 2015, 08:41:26 pm »
The feds are going to grab on to the theory that has the best traction and best fits the political agenda.
The truth is not going to matter.

My theory is that since moving large amounts of money and having regular communications are easy to spot, isis etal have plants all over the country, working everyday mundane jobs, paying their bills and otherwise being inconspicuous, regularly reporting on targets of opportunity and waiting for the go signal..
These plants are expensive to recruit, indoctrinate, train and equip so they are trying to find targets that enable reusable assets, meaning they can go in, hit the target and get out and strike again later rather than blowing themselves up or fighting to the death.  I think this was a test to figure out our ability to respond and their ability to escape.

Agreed, that is a likely scenario. The grunts may be stupid religious fanatics but senior management is anything but. Those are ruthless political insurgents on a career path to power in their new caliphate.

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« Reply #694 on: December 03, 2015, 08:49:28 pm »
A rough guess around $3000.00 for all the .223 and 9mm.
so I can figure the AK about 2k and the hand guns 1k?  so about 6k for the weapons?


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« Reply #695 on: December 03, 2015, 09:12:09 pm »
The feds are going to grab on to the theory that has the best traction and best fits the political agenda.
The truth is not going to matter.

My theory is that since moving large amounts of money and having regular communications are easy to spot, isis etal have plants all over the country, working everyday mundane jobs, paying their bills and otherwise being inconspicuous, regularly reporting on targets of opportunity and waiting for the go signal..
These plants are expensive to recruit, indoctrinate, train and equip so they are trying to find targets that enable reusable assets, meaning they can go in, hit the target and get out and strike again later rather than blowing themselves up or fighting to the death.  I think this was a test to figure out our ability to respond and their ability to escape.

If so, why hit a target where they would so easily be able to identify the perp?  Wouldn't it make more sense to hit a random target on a "hit and run" basis?  On the other hand, the fact that they had so many weapons in reserve does suggest they were planning more than this one hit. 

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« Reply #696 on: December 03, 2015, 09:12:19 pm »
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Farook lived in a Redlands, California apartment with his mother, Malik, and their 6-month-old daughter, who was left in the grandmother's care before the attack.

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/12/03/who-were-the-san-bernardino-shooters

So they lived at grandmas house. So the story of them dropping of the baby at her place isn't true. So where is grandma now? All those pipe bombs and everything else needed for this attack had to be seen by her.


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« Reply #697 on: December 03, 2015, 09:14:41 pm »
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/12/03/who-were-the-san-bernardino-shooters

So they lived at grandmas house. So the story of them dropping of the baby at her place isn't true. So where is grandma now? All those pipe bombs and everything else needed for this attack had to be seen by her.

Sooo, the family knew about and most likely supported the attack..

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« Reply #698 on: December 03, 2015, 09:16:27 pm »
Sooo, the family knew about and most likely supported the attack..
Yep.


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« Reply #699 on: December 03, 2015, 09:28:17 pm »
Enough of that - you still are. Least the Americans I have the pleasure to know.  :patriot:
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