BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO

[NavyCanDo]

Nothing so different than a postal worker back in the 70s and 80s, "going postal".

Syed Farood went postal.

That said, should it be divulged that they screamed Allahu Akbar, like Major Nasan during his crimes....I'll reconsider my position.

Oh, dear God, you really are buying into that Leftist narrative, without any examination of the evidence.   

 It is quite possible that he let his emotions of the moment choose his target for him, and an argument may have done that - but it is quite evident that they were planning some terrorist assault. The body armor, the IEDs, AR-15s or AKs, lots of extra magazines, and a willing accomplice. Can you name another "work place violence" act where the guy who lost it had a willing accomplice willing to die?

[HAPPY2BME]

Satan is 'very religious' also, and he knows more about both the Bible and Koran than man, since he is about to spend eternity in hell.

It was 'religion' that crucified 'Christ.'

Thank God it didn't keep Him in the grave.

All hell is about to break loose.

[aligncare]

Oh, dear God, you really are buying into that Leftist narrative, without any examination of the evidence.   

 It is quite possible that he let his emotions of the moment choose his target for him, and an argument may have done that - but it is quite evident that they were planning some terrorist assault. The body armor, the IEDs, AR-15s or AKs, lots of extra magazines, and a willing accomplice. Can you name another "work place violence" act where the guy who lost it had a willing accomplice willing to die?

You are right. But, in the bigger picture, we're arguing minutia.

San Bernardino was clearly a despicable, cowardly terrorist act. It's no secret to most thinking Americans, we are at war. So what difference does it make what the motivation was for this particular jihadist?

[DCPatriot]

Oh, dear God, you really are buying into that Leftist narrative, without any examination of the evidence.   

 It is quite possible that he let his emotions of the moment choose his target for him, and an argument may have done that - but it is quite evident that they were planning some terrorist assault. The body armor, the IEDs, AR-15s or AKs, lots of extra magazines, and a willing accomplice. Can you name another "work place violence" act where the guy who lost it had a willing accomplice willing to die?

I'm not disputing it wasn't Islamic Terrorism.  Of course it was.   

I'm saying that his targets were HIS Christian co-workers and the horrific deeds were limited to them.

As EC has pointed out elsewhere, it can definitely be both terrorism and workplace violence.

Seems to me that the Christmas Tree/Party pushed him over the edge.   

I DON'T KNOW!    (Three words that are most difficult for some people) 

[ABX]

So who are the Tragedy Vultures trying to blame this morning? The NRA, Climate Change, Ted Cruz?

[EdinVA]

You are right. But, in the bigger picture, we're arguing minutia.

San Bernardino was clearly a despicable, cowardly terrorist act. It's no secret to most thinking Americans, we are at war. So what difference does it make what the motivation was for this particular jihadist?

The motivation is going to determine how many of BO's Executive orders get shoved down our throats.

[ABX]

It also matters is that it is a reminder the bigger war has been brought to our soil. If it is dismissed as a disgruntled worker, they can gloss over what's really going on in the world and people go back to eating their chicken nuggets and watching Dances With Honey Boo Boo in a Shark Tank

[aligncare]

It also matters is that it is a reminder the bigger war has been brought to our soil. If it is dismissed as a disgruntled worker, they can gloss over what's really going on in the world and people go back to eating their chicken nuggets and watching Dances With Honey Boo Boo in a Shark Tank

...disgruntled Islamic worker, with ties to Middle East terrorists.

With Paris fresh in our minds, Americans won't be so easily misdirected this time.

[rangerrebew]

San Bernardino struggled with hate groups before shooting
Tobias Salinger NEW YORK DAILY NEWS Updated: 12/03/2015 7:44 AM ET



The city rocked by a mass shooting that killed 14 people Wednesday has long been a hotbed of hate and violence.

San Bernardino, Calif., struggled with a rash of hate groups and homicides amid a city bankruptcy in the years before gunmen opened fire at a county employee party at the Inland Regional Center.

Nothing was immediately known about any of the suspects and officials have noted recent drops in violent crimes after a two-year spike. But skinheads and neo-Nazis have shown pronounced influence in the area east of Los Angeles known as the Inland Empire.

The Anti-Defamation League has cited examples in both San Bernardino County and neighboring Riverside County of the Comrades of Our Race's Struggle, the Inland Empire Skinheads, the Nazi Low Riders and a splinter group called Public Enemy Number One.

Police in San Bernardino said in 2009 that they had probed murders, home invasions and drug trafficking linked to members of the Inland Empire Skinheads over a seven-year period, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center.

Police said 14 people were killed in San Bernardino, Calif., on Wednesday when gunmen opened fire inside a social services agency building. The city had struggled with hate groups and violence long before the attack.

The San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Office arrested seven members of the offshoot “Hammerskin Nation” on suspicion of assault and battery on April 20 — Hitler's birthday — that year, KNBC-TV reported.

Police in Hemet in Riverside County cuffed 23 white supremacists in an investigation into attacks on cops in the area the following year, the Los Angeles Times reported. Researchers and investigators counted at least a dozen hate groups in the two counties.
The latest mass shooting in America left 12 dead after gunmen targeted a holiday banquet at the nland Regional Center in San Bernardino, Calif. Instead of offering solutions, politicians chose to offer prayers.
Daily News covers on mass shootings since Sandy Hook

“You have seen a great deal of migration to the Inland Empire and a huge demographic change,” Mark Potok, the director of SPLC’s Intelligence Project, told the newspaper at the time. “And with that change we have seen a lot of conflict.”

The area also suffered from a rise in homicides, which shot up just as San Bernardino was reeling from declaring bankruptcy in 2012, leading to a reduction in its police force. The homicide rate grew by 50% in 2012 as the number of police officers shrunk to 264 from its 2009 total of 350 officers, The New York Times reported.
Audio: Police respond to mass shooting in California
NY Daily News

“All of our crime is up, and the city has a very high crime rate per capita anyway,” Police Chief Robert Handy told the Times. “I can’t police the city with much less than this. We’re dangerously close as it is.”

Homicides ticked higher in 2014 as the San Bernardino police force’s budget reduced it to 232 officers, according to the L.A. Times. Police told the newspaper that gang members from L.A. moved into the area.
 
These days, the number of officers has grown to 312, according to the San Bernardino Police Department. The crime rate of the San Bernardino-Riverside metro area has fallen to 3,128 crimes per 100,000 residents after two straight years of increasing crime, figures from a 2015 San Bernardino County community indicators report showed.

That rate placed the area’s crime rate higher than both the California and national rates and those of Los Angeles County and the San Diego metro area, though. Gang membership in the county has fallen by 26% during the last five years, but police estimate over 13,000 gang members still live in the area.

http://m.nydailynews.com/news/crime/san-bernardino-struggled-hate-groups-shooting-article-1.2453422

[mystery-ak]

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-obama-pattern-us-mass-shootings-parallel-san/story?id=35539092

President Obama Says Pattern of US Mass Shootings Has 'No Parallel' After San Bernardino Shooting

 President Obama addressed the fatal shooting in San Bernardino, California Wednesday that left at least 14 dead, saying it continues a disturbing pattern of gun violence in America that has "no parallel."

"The one thing we do know is that we have a pattern now of mass shootings in this country that has no parallel anywhere else in world," Obama told CBS’ Norah O’Donnell in an interview.

Obama added that there were "steps we can take, not to eliminate every one of these mass shootings, but to improve the odds that they don’t happen as frequently,” he said. “We should come together in a bipartisan basis at every level of government to make these rare as opposed to normal.”

The president was briefed on the shooting earlier in the day by his Homeland Security Advisor Lisa Monaco, and is receiving regular updates as the situation develops.

continued

[rangerrebew]

 Terrorist Clue? – San Bernadino Shooter Weapons Identified – AK-74…
Posted on December 2, 2015   by sundance

 

Rev Bacon picks up on a very interesting detail.  THEY WERE NOT USING AR PLATFORM WEAPONS.  Note media sells AR “style” – they’re manipulating the narrative – here’s why:

Thanks to a Daily Mail Article (HERE) we find a close up picture of a spent shell casing from the San Bernadino attackers:

ak47 2

(Pic Link)  Fortunately this appears to be a specific kind of 5.45 x 39mm shell known to be fired by an AK-74, not the older AK-47.  Lots of Americans have AK-47’s, but very few have the newer, more accurate AK-74.

First, the evidence:

shell casing

The shell casing on the far right is the casing identified in the Daily Mail picture.  You can see it matches an AK-74 5.45 x 39mm shell casing (3rd from left).

While the perspective differences prevent an exact match without better equipment, it’s clear the round looks more like the one on the right than the other two.

The spent casing is clearly not an AK-47 as was reported, but it’s easy to mistake the two, especially from afar by a non-expert.  They each use the same classic Kalashnikov 30-round magazine with the big curve.

ak47

(Image and comparative link)  *NOTE* Both are illegal in the state of CA.
From Rev Bacon (via email) So Why Do We Care ?

    It’s already pretty hard to get one’s hands on one of these things. If Obama keeps beating the “too easy to get weapons” drum, he’s an idiot. Chances are, these came from overseas, illegally, and were imported by the terrorists.
    It pretty much shows that the terrorists were foreign. There are better guns- more accurate, more easy to get ammo, and easier to get in the US- than this one.
    The [San Bernadino attackers] must have trained on these, so even if they did get them here (not impossible), they did so because of their training abroad. (For example, the AR-10 is more accurate, has a longer range, and is about the same price).

So the point is, we know they were firing AK-74’s.  We know AK-74’s fire specific 5.45 x 39mm shells, and they had to have some familiarity with AK-74 training.

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/12/02/terrorist-clue-san-bernadino-shooter-weapons-identified-ak-74-assault-rifles/

[ABX]

...disgruntled Islamic worker, with ties to Middle East terrorists.

With Paris fresh in our minds, Americans won't be so easily misdirected this time.

Who was from Qatar and traveled to Saudi Arabia recently. This takes it even outside domestic terrorism to international.

[Bigun]

You are right. But, in the bigger picture, we're arguing minutia.

San Bernardino was clearly a despicable, cowardly terrorist act. It's no secret to most thinking Americans, we are at war. So what difference does it make what the motivation was for this particular jihadist?

Quote of the day!  Spot on! 

[ABX]

To contradict some of the points here (the article jumps back and forth between the initial comment and the commentary on it so I'm going to contradict both):

AK-47s are not difficult to get a hold of, even in California. they are actually easier to acquire than AR platform guns because they are cheaper. You can even get parts kids and build one up easily.

5.56 is primarily used by law enforcement but it is also just as (if not more) common among civilians. All my AR platform guns are rated for 5.56 as are most higher quality ARs. The 5.56 is almost identical to the .223 and a 5.56 rated AR will shoot .223 (but one rated .223 only will not shoot 5.56 due to an ever slight difference in the casing). This doesn't imply anything really, both can be picked up off the shelf at any Academy or Bass Pro Shop (albeit they may have needed to travel to Nevada or Arizona).

Nothing ascribes to motives what type of platform they used, AR, AK or other variant, only accessibility.

Nothing says only one type of gun was used in the act, different shooters could have different guns.

Basically it seems this article and the back and forth commentators are trying to read too much into the minutia. Not seeing the forest by worrying about the blades of grass.

[Scottftlc]

If the entire world is not laughing at us as the stupidest people to ever walk the earth, I will be shocked. ISIS must be rolling off their prayer rugs laughing. They put out the call, a follower answers that call a couple of weeks later, and we call it workplace violence and want to take away our own people's weapons.  We are a laughingstock. And we are too stupid to survive, give the entire nation a Darwin Award.

[Scottftlc]

And another rant: this isn't about finding evidence, this isn't about gathering data, this is about Gathering Excuses.

[mystery-ak]

If the entire world is not laughing at us as the stupidest people to ever walk the earth, I will be shocked. ISIS must be rolling off their prayer rugs laughing. They put out the call, a follower answers that call a couple of weeks later, and we call it workplace violence and want to take away our own people's weapons.  We are a laughingstock. And we are too stupid to survive, give the entire nation a Darwin Award.

WORD..on both your posts...

[Bigun]

WORD..on both your posts...

Indeed! And how sad that is!

[mountaineer]

Obama added that there were "steps we can take, not to eliminate every one of these mass shootings, but to improve the odds that they don’t happen as frequently,” he said. “We should come together in a bipartisan basis at every level of government to make these rare as opposed to normal.”

Of course, those steps won't include looking at Muslims in this country.

[ABX]

If the entire world is not laughing at us as the stupidest people to ever walk the earth, I will be shocked. ISIS must be rolling off their prayer rugs laughing. They put out the call, a follower answers that call a couple of weeks later, and we call it workplace violence and want to take away our own people's weapons.  We are a laughingstock. And we are too stupid to survive, give the entire nation a Darwin Award.

And we are giving them exactly what they want. We are showing ourselves weak and depraved. We are essentially helping them clear anyone who doesn't fall in line with them out of their ever growing caliphate territory (about the size of Great Britain now). We are tearing down our own civil liberties and freedoms more than going after them. And we are providing an inconsistent voice in the world stage against them.

[rangerrebew]

 San Bernardino County Residents Feared Syrian Resettlement
December 2, 2015
Daniel Greenfield
 
 
There's no official word yet on the shooters behind the massacre in San Bernardino County, but California did receive the most Syrian migrants of any state. That's a group in which significant numbers poll in support of ISIS and other terror groups. Yet the concerns of local citizens were ignored, dismissed and ridiculed.

    Some members of Redlands Townhall and the Redlands Tea Party Patriots have called on city officials to keep Syrian and African refugees from resettling here.

    They asked City Council members Tuesday what their plan will be if the city is asked to resettle some of the 85,000 refugees expected to come to the United States in 2016.

    Many of the refugees would be Syrian and others would be from strife-torn areas of Africa.

    “Where will they be housed? How will their expenses be paid and by whom? And what will be done to ensure the safety of our community? Our biggest concern is the safety of our family, our children and our grandchildren,” Victoria Hargrave of Redlands Townhall said the council on Tuesday.

    “The Obama administration would like to bring in 85,000 Syrian refugees into our country in the calendar year that just started on Oct. 1 and they have admitted that they have no database or source of information with which to vet these refugees,” she said. “There are primarily Sunni Muslims. Al-Qaida are Sunni Muslims whose culture and ideology are completely contrary to our Constitution.”

The Redlands Tea Party Patriots were denounced as bigots and their concerns were not taken seriously. Maybe it's time we started paying attention to the people whose communities will come under siege.

Whether or not this was an Islamic terror attack, it's only a matter of waiting until the next one takes place.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/

[rangerrebew]

Neighbors: Muslim San Bernardino Terrorist Grew Beard, Put on Religious Clothing
And so a bunch of baffled people are confused as to why the devout Muslim started killing them.
December 3, 2015
Daniel Greenfield
 
 

If we had sensible profiling for terrorists, suddenly adopting Salafist habits would be a warning sign of "Sudden Jihad Syndrome". But we have a political leadership that insists Islamic terrorism has nothing to do with Islam.

And so a bunch of baffled people are confused as to why the devout Muslim started killing them.

    “He was quiet but always polite,” Maria Gutierrez told The News. “Maybe two years ago he became more religious. He grew a beard and started to wear religious clothing. The long shirt that’s like a dress and the cap on his head.”

So we've learned nothing from Nidal Hassan and a list of similar killers.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/261001/neighbors-muslim-san-bernardino-terrorist-grew-daniel-greenfield

[aligncare]

If the entire world is not laughing at us as the stupidest people to ever walk the earth, I will be shocked. ISIS must be rolling off their prayer rugs laughing. They put out the call, a follower answers that call a couple of weeks later, and we call it workplace violence and want to take away our own people's weapons.  We are a laughingstock. And we are too stupid to survive, give the entire nation a Darwin Award.

We were once a great people...cue commercial: Crying American Indian.

[EC]

We were once a great people...cue commercial: Crying American Indian.

Enough of that - you still are. Least the Americans I have the pleasure to know. 

[andy58-in-nh]

To contradict some of the points here (the article jumps back and forth between the initial comment and the commentary on it so I'm going to contradict both):

AK-47s are not difficult to get a hold of, even in California. they are actually easier to acquire than AR platform guns because they are cheaper. You can even get parts kids and build one up easily.

5.56 is primarily used by law enforcement but it is also just as (if not more) common among civilians. All my AR platform guns are rated for 5.56 as are most higher quality ARs. The 5.56 is almost identical to the .223 and a 5.56 rated AR will shoot .223 (but one rated .223 only will not shoot 5.56 due to an ever slight difference in the casing). This doesn't imply anything really, both can be picked up off the shelf at any Academy or Bass Pro Shop (albeit they may have needed to travel to Nevada or Arizona).

Nothing ascribes to motives what type of platform they used, AR, AK or other variant, only accessibility.

Nothing says only one type of gun was used in the act, different shooters could have different guns.

Basically it seems this article and the back and forth commentators are trying to read too much into the minutia. Not seeing the forest by worrying about the blades of grass.

The AK-74 uses a smaller (21.4 caliber), lighter round that has a very flat trajectory and produces low recoil from the weapon, allowing for more accurate shot placement. Although the round is far smaller than the AK-47's heavy 7.62 (30mm) standard, it does have a rather nasty feature that Afghans discovered while fighting the Russian army: the 5.45 tends to collapse on its hollow core, mushrooming outward, yawing and flattening upon impact with tissue and bone, causing terrible wound channels.

So, although its diameter is technically smaller than that of a .22LR (which causes far less severe wounds, in most cases), the AK-74 round can be pretty lethal, as we've seen, sadly. A firearms dealer once told me that it was among the best "zombie killers" he could think of, in spite of its size.