BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO

[DCPatriot]

It certainly could have been spurred by some perceived workplace humiliation or slight but the attack on a Christmas celebration - and the enlistment of co-conspirators to conduct the murder - leads me to believe that the perceived "insult" was to the perp's religious demands and the attack on a Christian event merely satisfied a number of pathological grievances. 

I am not fully confident that this story is going to be presented in an unvarnished manner.   The Democrats have far too much political capital invested in their feckless approach to our security priorities.   Events like this can be game changers in Electoral politics and the Dems are up to their asses in appeasement and dereliction of duty.

Arne.....you should spend more time with us.

Really like your POV and the way you express it.

[ArneFufkin]

To be more honest I'm afraid of ISIS supporters who are American citizens. Mainly the home grown variety.

I'm concerned about the rise of militant Islam among prisoners - primarily African American -  in our jails and correctional institutions.   These are dangerous sociopaths to begin with and the persecution ideology of radical Islam appeals to that diseased mindset.

[Bigun]

It certainly could have been spurred by some perceived workplace humiliation or slight but the attack on a Christmas celebration - and the enlistment of co-conspirators to conduct the murder - leads me to believe that the perceived "insult" was to the perp's religious demands and the attack on a Christian event merely satisfied a number of pathological grievances. 

I am not fully confident that this story is going to be presented in an unvarnished manner.   The Democrats have far too much political capital invested in their feckless approach to our security priorities.   Events like this can be game changers in Electoral politics and the Dems are up to their asses in appeasement and dereliction of duty.

You are on a roll tonight!    :thumbsup2:

[ABX]

It seems to me that global Islamic terror takes many forms.   But most importantly, its intent is to terrorize innocent people.  What better way to expand their methods in a country with many small cities and towns than to target a smaller population area?

I also remember that one of the targets post 9/11 was Polaris Mall north of Columbus.  While Columbus is a large city, the area that Polaris is in is not that dissimilar from San Bernardino.   

This doesn't seem that far afield for international terror to me.

Also remember that Isis is not Al Qaeda, they operate very differently. They don't go for one big publicity attack but a lot of, what I referred to earlier, as parasitic attacks. They also don't seem to be that fond of killing themselves up for the sake of jihad but living to fight another day or at least to the next target. They seem to be a lot more political in wanting to establish a caliphate as they've declared, and part of that is possible extending influence so they will want as many attacks, no matter the size, in as many diverse locations as possible. They seem to want to weaken political resolve of opponents so they are left to grow their caliphate.

[ArneFufkin]

Arne.....you should spend more time with us.

Really like your POV and the way you express it.

Thanks DC, that's nice.

I'll be by here often as we wind into Election season.  This is a great place!

[sinkspur]

Does that rule out Islamic terror?  (Who deemed him the "prime shooter"?)

Are you on some kind of hair-trigger toward me?

No. It doesn't rule out Islamic terrorism.  And I'm just repeating "prime shooter" because he was the guy who was employed by the Health Department that he and an accomplice shot up.

[ABX]

I'm concerned about the rise of militant Islam among prisoners - primarily African American -  in our jails and correctional institutions.   These are dangerous sociopaths to begin with and the persecution ideology of radical Islam appeals to that diseased mindset.

Is it still the NOI primarily recruiting and evangelizing in prisons?

[Charlespg]

So what is your solution? Kick all of the Muslims out?

If necessary H*** yes

I have read their koran

they have the world divided

Dār al-Ḥarb ...house of war

thats us and the rest of the kufars (the civilized world )

dar al islam ...any country under Islamic rule

read the koran  its very plain about violence and death regarding non muslims

[kevindavis007]

I'm concerned about the rise of militant Islam among prisoners - primarily African American -  in our jails and correctional institutions.   These are dangerous sociopaths to begin with and the persecution ideology of radical Islam appeals to that diseased mindset.

Exactly..

[Bigun]

I'm concerned about the rise of militant Islam among prisoners - primarily African American -  in our jails and correctional institutions.   These are dangerous sociopaths to begin with and the persecution ideology of radical Islam appeals to that diseased mindset.

Like the ones Obama will likely pardon before he leaves office?

[Right_in_Virginia]

Are you on some kind of hair-trigger toward me?

No.  In fact, I defended you a few posts up.

No. It doesn't rule out Islamic terrorism.  And I'm just repeating "prime shooter" because he was the guy who was employed by the Health Department that he and an accomplice shot up. 

In all candor, Sink, there are many times when you post one sentence, without context or a point.  The post I asked about was one of those.

Thanks again for clarifying.

[Oceander]

And the FBI guy doesn't know if it's terrorism or not.

My God, what does it take !!!

They won't - are probably under orders not to - because an apparent muslim/middle easterner is involved.

[aligncare]

It seems to me that global Islamic terror takes many forms.   But most importantly, its intent is to terrorize innocent people.  What better way to expand their methods in a country with many small cities and towns than to target a smaller population area?

I also remember that one of the targets post 9/11 was Polaris Mall north of Columbus.  While Columbus is a large city, the area that Polaris is in is not that dissimilar from San Bernardino.   

This doesn't seem that far afield for international terror to me.

Terrorists are independent contractors essentially. Some are more proficient than others.

[kevindavis007]

If necessary H*** yes

I have read their koran

they have the world divided

Dār al-Ḥarb ...house of war

thats us and the rest of the kufars (the civilized world )

dar al islam ...any country under Islamic rule

read the koran  its very plain about violence and death regarding non muslims

So we should also kick out American citizens who are Muslim?? 

[Oceander]

Every non liberal knows. Barack and Hillary think it was guns to blame.

Maybe they'll blame it on a video, perhaps some NRA promo on the internet.

[Right_in_Virginia]

So we should also kick out American citizens who are Muslim??

Let's stay on topic tonight.  We'll have this debate soon enough.

Thanks.

[truth_seeker]

It would be refreshing, and also considerate to the rest of us, if you guys could cease your chicken shit stuff and stick to the subject at hand. If you want to snipe at each other why don't you start your own thread for that.

Totally agree with that.

[ABX]

Maybe they'll blame it on a video, perhaps some NRA promo on the internet.

A friend came up with a good term tonight for them, #TragedyVultures, I think that's a perfect description and I'm about to start hitting Hill and other's twitter with it.

[Oceander]

These suspects being talked about, are they not part of those involved in the original shooting at inland center?

They probably had a driver waiting with the SUV, which would make four total.

[Oceander]

By the way if the Fox news story is correct a guy got mad at shooting site then left and came back with his 2 other pals.....handy he had 2 pals with full on body armor for 3 people? no way i believe it was not planned ahead of time.

Exactly.

[ArneFufkin]

God bless her but sometimes Megyn Kelly makes me shake my head.

She just asked Kallstrom "What Islamic terrorist would target one meeting and leave the rest of the site alone?

Uh ... it wasn't a "meeting".   It was a Christmas party!

[xfreeper]

One possibility is that terrorists want to make ALL of us afraid, and not just those in big cities.   It could be an expansion of their methods.

Yes. Possibly change of tactics to make it more difficult to profile, plan and deter

[sinkspur]

Let's stay on topic tonight.  We'll have this debate soon enough.

Thanks.

No we won't have that debate.  We do not discriminate on the basis of religion in this country.

[ABX]

God bless her but sometimes Megyn Kelly makes me shake my head.

She just asked Kallstrom "What Islamic terrorist would target one meeting and leave the rest of the site alone?

Uh ... it wasn't a "meeting".   It was a Christmas party!

....and as the person she was talking to not 20 minutes ago pointed out, that was the only part of the building that wasn't secured with controlled access.

[musiclady]

God bless her but sometimes Megyn Kelly makes me shake my head.

She just asked Kallstrom "What Islamic terrorist would target one meeting and leave the rest of the site alone?

Uh ... it wasn't a "meeting".   It was a Christmas party!

A point which most of us picked up on.......