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Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
« Reply #375 on: December 03, 2015, 01:31:32 am »
Except the pipe bombs didn't go off.

These people had a connection to the group that was meeting.  This was not an act of international terrorism, which would have involved a much higher body count and the entire building would have been shot up.

The motivation here seemed to be somebody pissed off at a person or persons or a group. Yes, it was planned, but it was targeted. Not random.

Another option is they were looking for a soft target that would be terrifying to people, a hospital. They may not have known the details about what type or who was in the meeting room. What they did was see a hospital and quickly scope out the easiest in and out with the most number of people. From observations, they saw that room had the most people in a small space. The news is saying this was also the only part of the building that was not secure (controlled access). It may not have been completely random but not personal motive with the group either but calculated to be the easiest access with the largest number of people in the smallest space.

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« Reply #376 on: December 03, 2015, 01:32:19 am »
Large cities like that you are going to have SWAT and other groups training almost every day they aren't out on a raid. A lot of Alex Jones type websites make a big deal about these exercises but they are pretty routine. I have a friend in the local SWAT and he says they have these once or twice a week. Better than sitting behind a desk.
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Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
« Reply #377 on: December 03, 2015, 01:32:43 am »
M.Joseph Sheppard ‏@MJosephSheppard 2m2 minutes ago

“San Bernadino police just released the name of the other suspect as Tayyeep Bin Ardogan, a 28 year-old Qatar citizen.”


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« Reply #378 on: December 03, 2015, 01:33:20 am »
Why throw them if they're never intended to go off?  I think incompetent is the only correct answer here.

Pipe bombs aren't meant to be thrown out of car windows.

My guess is they were heading to another location for another attack, and thankfully LE caught them before they arrived there.
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« Reply #379 on: December 03, 2015, 01:34:33 am »
It would be refreshing, and also considerate to the rest of us, if you guys could cease your chicken shit stuff and stick to the subject at hand. If you want to snipe at each other why don't you start your own thread for that.

Yes, I'll stop.  I apologize for letting my personal animosity toward a poster sidetrack this thread about a horrific day in CA.   :thud:
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« Reply #380 on: December 03, 2015, 01:36:19 am »
Tayyeep Bin Ardogan, a 28 year-old Qatar citizen.

Qatar the suburb of Irvine? /snark

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« Reply #381 on: December 03, 2015, 01:36:44 am »
Perp walks into the part knowing she is not welcomed, but she needs to find out if the person(s) she going to shoot are there.

After they yell at her to leave, she "feigns anger"....goes out to the vehicle.

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I'm guessing if this is true, she was just confirming that the Christmas party was actually happening, and every Christian in it was a "target."
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Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
« Reply #382 on: December 03, 2015, 01:38:03 am »
Presser asalt type clothing, hand guns one male one female.


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Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
« Reply #383 on: December 03, 2015, 01:38:16 am »
M.Joseph Sheppard ‏@MJosephSheppard 2m2 minutes ago

“San Bernadino police just released the name of the other suspect as Tayyeep Bin Ardogan, a 28 year-old Qatar citizen.”

I don't think a citizen of Qatar is going to be working at the San Bernardino Inland Regional Center.
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« Reply #384 on: December 03, 2015, 01:38:19 am »
Yes, that would seem highly unlikely. At least some degree of planning appears to be involved. That would not rule out a workplace dispute, but the involvement of other parties tends to indicate shared motivation. The FBI is busy tonight.

If the FBI spends more than 10 minutes before figuring out this isn't "workplace violence," Director Comey should step down at the end of the week.

"some degree of planning"

"tends to indicate"

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« Reply #385 on: December 03, 2015, 01:38:43 am »
M.Joseph Sheppard ‏@MJosephSheppard 2m2 minutes ago

“San Bernadino police just released the name of the other suspect as Tayyeep Bin Ardogan, a 28 year-old Qatar citizen.”

Bleepin' Amish bastards, again. Hmmmm.  :pondering:
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« Reply #386 on: December 03, 2015, 01:38:58 am »
Two terrorism experts on O'Reilly are sure this is related to Islamic fundamentalist terrorism.

btw, they named Farooq Saaed, and said his name had come over their scanners.
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« Reply #387 on: December 03, 2015, 01:39:03 am »
An eyewitness in the room said that a man came into the meeting, got angry, left and came back with the other two.

Other reports say the female went into the room.   :shrug:
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Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
« Reply #388 on: December 03, 2015, 01:39:19 am »
Qatar the suburb of Irvine? /snark

I never did trust folks in Irvine.

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« Reply #389 on: December 03, 2015, 01:39:40 am »
Qatar the suburb of Irvine? /snark
Nah Century City suburb.


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Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
« Reply #390 on: December 03, 2015, 01:40:45 am »
presser not willing to go down the terrorism route. Pffft!


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« Reply #391 on: December 03, 2015, 01:41:52 am »
Other reports say the female went into the room.   :shrug:

Information is always confused early on.  We'll find out eventually.....

(I think it now sounds like it was the woman).
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Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
« Reply #392 on: December 03, 2015, 01:42:09 am »
I don't think a citizen of Qatar is going to be working at the San Bernardino Inland Regional Center.

The other suspect, whose name has been advanced as Farooq Saeed, did work at the San Bernardino Health Department, which was the target of the attack.
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« Reply #393 on: December 03, 2015, 01:43:04 am »
If the FBI spends more than 10 minutes before figuring out this isn't "workplace violence," Director Comey should step down at the end of the week.

"some degree of planning"

"tends to indicate"

What's happened to my country?

A lot, and little of it good. But that does not mean that we abandon caution in the absence of reliable information. But when I hear that at least one of those involved was from Qatar, a major state sponsor of terrorism... that starts to change, and quickly.
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Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
« Reply #394 on: December 03, 2015, 01:43:19 am »
presser not willing to go down the terrorism route. Pffft!

They know that everyone knows........

Neighborhood is clear now.
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Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
« Reply #395 on: December 03, 2015, 01:43:22 am »
Information is always confused early on.  We'll find out eventually.....

(I think it now sounds like it was the woman).

Maybe she was fighting the war on women

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Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
« Reply #396 on: December 03, 2015, 01:43:35 am »
presser...person running from vehicle detained.


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« Reply #397 on: December 03, 2015, 01:43:46 am »
M.Joseph Sheppard ‏@MJosephSheppard 2m2 minutes ago

“San Bernadino police just released the name of the other suspect as Tayyeep Bin Ardogan, a 28 year-old Qatar citizen.”

I'm sure we'll be hearing soon that he/she recently converted to Christianity. 
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« Reply #398 on: December 03, 2015, 01:44:42 am »
btw, they named Farooq Saaed, and said his name had come over their scanners.

Flowers reported that hours ago listening to the scanners. It seemed Flowers reports are turning out to be pretty accurate. (description, name, vehicle, number, etc). Better than the media.

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« Reply #399 on: December 03, 2015, 01:45:12 am »
Maybe she was fighting the war on women

/snark


hehe............ 
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