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    Trump Thinks He Can Deport 11 Million Illegal Immigrants Through ‘Very Good Management’

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    12:55 PM 10/25/2015
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    Donald Trump says that through “good management” he will deport 11 million illegal immigrants and the “bad” illegal immigrants will “get out so fast your head will spin.”

    Appearing on ABC’s “This Week” with George Stephanopoulos on Sunday, Trump responded to Ben Carson’s claims that his deportation plan is “not practical and it could cause collapse of parts of the agricultural sector.”

    “Well, it’s totally practical and frankly,” Trump insisted, “people they can legally come in with work visas and other ways to come and you know solve agricultural problems if they have that.”

    “But, frankly, Ben is extremely weak as you know on illegal immigration,” he said. “And we can’t have that now, we have to have a country of borders. We need strength in our counry. And you can’t be weak for immigration.”

    Trump said Carson is “for amnesty and I’m for a very strong border. If we had strong borders, if we had strong rules and regulations, you might have the collapse, the big story a couple of days ago, the collapse and the attack of the World Trade Center. So we have very weak rules on immigration and I’m for making them strong and solid, like a country should have, and Ben is very weak on that subject.”

    Responding to direct criticism that you can’t deport 11 million undocumented aliens, Trump said that he will do it “through very good management.”

    “And people who are really good and outstanding and have had outstanding records will come back in,” claimed Trump. “And they’ll come back in legally, they’ll come back in legally so we have the country.”

    Trump insisted, “The ones that are bad, and we have some real bad ones in this country, they’re going to get out so fast your head will spin.”

    http://dailycaller.com/2015/10/25/tr...agement-video/


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Quick question is Trump going to bypass Congress and the courts to do this?
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A somewhat ironic but probable scenario to consider would be a Trump win coupled with the dems retaking the Senate majority.

He will be unable to move very much legislation, so will have to resort to his pen and phone, i.e.. Executive Orders.

A useful debate question. "What will you do as president, if the other party hold one house of congress, and won't go along with your programs?"





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A somewhat ironic but probable scenario to consider would be a Trump win coupled with the dems retaking the Senate majority.

He will be unable to move very much legislation, so will have to resort to his pen and phone, i.e.. Executive Orders.

A useful debate question. "What will you do as president, if the other party hold one house of congress, and won't go along with your programs?"

Though wouldn't that also be true if Marco Rubio, say, were elected with a Democrat Senate?  Perhaps not on immigration specifically, but on many other issues certainly.
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A somewhat ironic but probable scenario to consider would be a Trump win coupled with the dems retaking the Senate majority.

He will be unable to move very much legislation, so will have to resort to his pen and phone, i.e.. Executive Orders.

A useful debate question. "What will you do as president, if the other party hold one house of congress, and won't go along with your programs?"

Don't forget about the court oder that will come down.
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Don't forget about the court oder that will come down.

Well, it hasn't stopped Obama yet.  It would be ironic if a higher Court ultimately upheld Obama's tyrannical edicts only to have a Conservative President reverse and write his own law.

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Well, it hasn't stopped Obama yet.  It would be ironic if a higher Court ultimately upheld Obama's tyrannical edicts only to have a Conservative President reverse and write his own law.

Well it is wrong regardless in who is doing it.
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Though wouldn't that also be true if Marco Rubio, say, were elected with a Democrat Senate?  Perhaps not on immigration specifically, but on many other issues certainly.

That means a compromise would have to be reached.
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That means a compromise would have to be reached.

Well, that"s an interesting thing, I'm glad you bring it up.  It is often said, at least here, that Trump is really a Democrat, that he isn't a Republican at all, just a stalking horse.  Yet, if he was a Democrat one would have to assume that such compromise would be easier, Democrat to Democrat.  And I think everyone here would agree that Rubio is most definitely and certainly, in every way, a Republican.  It would surprise me to find anyone here who thinks otherwise.  So it is rather odd to posit that he would be able to find compromise with Democrats more readily than Trump who, it is widely claimed here, is already a Democrat himself.
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A gov't politician could not do it but TRUMP can and will do it. The RINOS either go along or they will be FIRED :thud:

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A gov't politician could not do it but TRUMP can and will do it. The RINOS either go along or they will be FIRED :thud:

So his way or the highway right?
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Operation Wetback.

Worked for Eisenhower.

Deported many thousands upon thousands.

All it takes is "the triumph of the will"....  ;)

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Quick question is Trump going to bypass Congress and the courts to do this?

If he does, he will be impeached and convicted, by Democrats AND Republicans.
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A gov't politician could not do it but TRUMP can and will do it. The RINOS either go along or they will be FIRED :thud:

Hey.  Eminent-domain-breath!

Trump needs Congress to fund any kind of move to deport ELEVEN MILLION people and HE WILL NOT GET IT!!!

And it will be Trump who will be fired if he tries it without Congressional approval.
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Though wouldn't that also be true if Marco Rubio, say, were elected with a Democrat Senate?  Perhaps not on immigration specifically, but on many other issues certainly.
Of course if the Senate turns, and we get a Republican as President it is the same situation.

But Trump is the one talking big, without any reference to the limitations of what a President can do without Congress.

My early prediction has been and remains Dem wins for President and the Senate majority.
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Trump has 7 executive illegal immigration administration tools in the works already.

1 Key Performance Indicators
2 Strategic Planning
3 Border Patrol Engagement Surveys
4 Benchmarking
5 Balanced Scorecard
6 Worksheets
7 Analytics

Why has no one thought to use Worksheets to reduce illegal immigration before?
 

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So his way or the highway right?

Hey you made your best post ever and do not even know it??? To fix this country we need the exact opposite of BARRY and guess whom that might be?? :bash:
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Operation Wetback.

Worked for Eisenhower.

Deported many thousands upon thousands.

All it takes is "the triumph of the will"....  ;)

Operation Wetback deported at a maximum of 170K and mostly due to voluntary self deportation as many of the illegals had come to the States during WWII during the manufacturing boom when bodies were needed and 'illegal immigration' was more of a clerical checklist versus the criminal enterprise it is today.

We are now looking at 11 million plus (some estimates say up to 25 million but let's use the smaller number).

11 Million over 4 years (Trump says 2 but let's be a bit more reasonable and give him twice the time) equals approximately 7,500 deported per day, or 313 per hour, approximately a Boeing 777 taking off every hour on the hour, 24/7 for four years. But just transporting them isn't what happens. You have to catch them first. Every arrest and capture would require at a minimum of an officer per suspect. Each suspect would have to have a hearing (we have to ensure we are not illegally detaining and deporting a US citizen), processed and transported.  As of July 2009, there were only 214 active immigration judges in the US. So, for the 313 transported each hour, each judge would have to be on duty 24/7 and hear at least two cases per hour without break. Right now, the immigration judicial system is on a major backlog and is able to hear just 1400 cases per year.  (all of this assumes the flow is immediately stopped on day one and you are just dealing with those here now, no return rates). In other words, the courts would have to process in four hours what they currently do in a year.

What this all amounts to is the creation of a major judicial arm and police state that we haven't seen before, probably similar to the military build up for WWII, just in police and lawyers instead. That's assuming we don't have liberal bleeding heart attorney's fighting for every case in which case, it would be exponentially higher as the demands on the system would be greater.

Don't get me wrong, something has to be done, but to do it in the numbers and speed Trump promises isn't a case of good management, it is a case of creating a police state government this size of which we can't even fathom. A police state that I doubt, would ever give up its power even if it completes its mission.

As soon as one gets pen to paper on the numbers versus the promises, there are only a few conclusions one can draw from it:

1. Trump actually believes he can magically make this happen (like Obama causing the sea levels to drop and Bruce Jenner to become a woman)
2. He is knowingly lying just to attract voters
3. He has Stalinistic aspirations of power that he can make this happen all through decree and cares not about the long term impact on the size and scope of the government it creates, on the contrary, he would revel in the increased power it gives him.

Let's hope it is just #2 as #1 implies a level of insanity and #3 is quite frightening.

Is this what Conservatives really want?
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