Trump triples down on George W. Bush’s responsibility for 9/11

[sinkspur]

Trump would be the first president elected in the modern age with no constituency in Congress.  His espousal of Democrat policies would mean he'd have little support in a GOP Congress, from either Republicans or Democrats.

[sinkspur]

It IS being done...on a daily basis.

It's just that the person speaking can't look or sound like Mr. Peepers.

Raising taxes, single-payer healthcare, and the absurd notion he's going to send 12 million people south of the border in two years.

Trump is a Democrat.  When are you going to realize that?

[kevindavis007]

Raising taxes, single-payer healthcare, and the absurd notion he's going to send 12 million people south of the border in two years.

Trump is a Democrat.  When are you going to realize that?

Don't forget he will do things by executive action but it is OK, just as long as our person does it.

[DCPatriot]

Raising taxes, single-payer healthcare, and the absurd notion he's going to send 12 million people south of the border in two years.

Trump is a Democrat.  When are you going to realize that?

If Trump is indeed a Democrat, he has no home in their Party today.  Today, they're Socialists and Commies.

And when you look at the eunuchs leading the Republicans...it's only natural for him to fill that vacuum in leadership.

[DCPatriot]

Trump would be the first president elected in the modern age with no constituency in Congress.  His espousal of Democrat policies would mean he'd have little support in a GOP Congress, from either Republicans or Democrats.

Which is the point I've been making for months in here.  He'll be kept in check.

[sinkspur]

Don't forget he will do things by executive action but it is OK, just as long as our person does it.

He can't do any of the major things he wants to do by executive action.  And, remember, he would be on s short leash with Congress.  They'll run his ass out of office the first time he steps out of line.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

He can't do any of the major things he wants to do by executive action.  And, remember, he would be on s short leash with Congress.  They'll run his ass out of office the first time he steps out of line.

Great point.  Obama can rely on the rats to carry his water.  Trump has no built in congressional support.

[DCPatriot]

Great point.  Obama can rely on the rats to carry his water.  Trump has no built in congressional support.

I've made that point here more than a dozen times.

As Casey Stengel said..."You can look it up!"

But, at least you guys are speaking in terms of a 'President Trump' today....instead of  claiming he has no chance.....

[sinkspur]

I've made that point here more than a dozen times.

As Casey Stengel said..."You can look it up!"

But, at least you guys are speaking in terms of a 'President Trump' today....instead of  claiming he has no chance.....

It's all hypothetical, DC.  Donald Trump beats Hillary Clinton in a national election only in the wet dreams of his supporters.

Why elect the sonofabitch if he's not going to be able to DO anything?

[DCPatriot]

It's all hypothetical, DC.  Donald Trump beats Hillary Clinton in a national election only in the wet dreams of his supporters.

Why elect the sonofabitch if he's not going to be able to DO anything?

I missed the memo regarding the guaranteed outcome.

But to answer your hypothetical question....you elect him to keep the Socialists out of the White House.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

I've made that point here more than a dozen times.

You have.  I have not felt compelled to argue against your point that Trump will be ineffective.

But, at least you guys are speaking in terms of a 'President Trump' today....instead of  claiming he has no chance.....

I was wrong.  Call the neighbors, wake the kids, and mark it on the calendars.  I thought Trump would fade as reality set in.  I still think there is time for Republicans to wake up, but like Governor Walker I too fear that Trump could win. 

Regardless of how ineffective he might be, President Trump is now a very concrete nightmare for me, perhaps more terrifying than President Hillary or Sanders.

not because of what President Trump may do...but because what it says about the GOP voters.

[Fishrrman]

Oceander wrote above:
[[ A Donald Trump presidency would do what Obama's victory in 2008 could not do:  render republicans the permanent minority party for at least a generation and ensure that the next president is as far left as Obama is. ]]

Hmmmmmmmmm....
Lemmmeeeesssseeee here.....

So... you're sayin' that if Trump wins the presidency as a Republican -- something that the Pubbies haven't been doin' very well for the past couple of decades, G.W. notwithstanding... that it's going to put the Pubbies into the minority?

Somethin' about that logic just doesn't seem kosher to me.

But hey -- you're gonna vote for him anyway, RIGHT...?

I'd love to be the fly on the wall when you step into the voting booth, hating him so much, but determined to mark the ballot for him anyway. Is your face going to be contorted as your conscience grapples with the ballot pen?

Fortunately, I won't have to do that!

[Oceander]

It IS being done...on a daily basis.

It's just that the person speaking can't look or sound like Mr. Peepers.

Donald Trump isn't doing a damned thing other than ginning up hatred and class division. 

And he's turning you into the world's biggest sucker because you have been thoroughly blinded to what his actual values are.

When you go to measure the worth of a man (or a woman), you pay attention to what they do, not what they say, and you pay attention to what they say only when they aren't in a position to spin it for the reason its being tested.  This is what you have if you actually pay attention to what Donald Trump really believes, based on his actions, and on what he's said when he wasn't running for nomination:  you have a big-state, crony capitalist whose policy preferences are decidedly left of center.

I am simply aghast at how many republicans/conservatives have by now shown themselves to be utterly stupid, to be intellectually vacuous cows on a par with the idiots who voted for Obama in 2012.

Do I detest Trump?  Yes, I do.  I detest him because not only is he a statist crony capitalist whose real policy preferences tend toward big government that exercises its power for the benefit of the politically-connected oligopoly, but because he's a liar and a hypocrite over and above jack-asses like Sanders who at least has the decency to admit that he's a socialist.

[sinkspur]

I missed the memo regarding the guaranteed outcome.

But to answer your hypothetical question....you elect him to keep the Socialists out of the White House.

Single payer health care and increasing taxes on the wealthy isn't socialism? 

I won't vote for Trump.  Ever. In any election.

[Oceander]

Oceander wrote above:
[[ A Donald Trump presidency would do what Obama's victory in 2008 could not do:  render republicans the permanent minority party for at least a generation and ensure that the next president is as far left as Obama is. ]]

Hmmmmmmmmm....
Lemmmeeeesssseeee here.....

So... you're sayin' that if Trump wins the presidency as a Republican -- something that the Pubbies haven't been doin' very well for the past couple of decades, G.W. notwithstanding... that it's going to put the Pubbies into the minority?

Somethin' about that logic just doesn't seem kosher to me.

But hey -- you're gonna vote for him anyway, RIGHT...?

I'd love to be the fly on the wall when you step into the voting booth, hating him so much, but determined to mark the ballot for him anyway. Is your face going to be contorted as your conscience grapples with the ballot pen?

Fortunately, I won't have to do that!

Which simply shows why you're an untrustable fair weather friend; someone to be less trusted than one's enemies, who can at least be trusted to consistently want to kill you.

I will vote for Trump if he is the GOP nominee for the general election because I am a team player and a realist and I realize that there are only two options in this election (and will only be so for both the short and medium term):  democrat or republican, or liberal or republican, if you prefer.  And I realize that there is a certain zero-sum logic to politics and elections (a logic that doesn't apply to economics, contra liberals), which means that, as an old song went (to paraphrase):  even if you choose not to vote, you still have cast a vote, and if you do not cast a vote against Hillary Clinton (or whatever other criminal the DNC runs), then you have as good as cast a vote for her; and if you cast a vote for a third party, then you have as good as cast a vote for Hillary Clinton (or whatever other criminal the DNC runs).

I will vote for Trump because as stupid and detestable as he is, he is at least not Hillary Clinton (or whatever other criminal the DNC will run).

The only thing you will see on my face in the polling booth if Trump is the GOP nominee is one of resignation, knowing full well that he will lose, that we will have another 8 years, at least, of a hardcore leftist DNC in the White House, and that Trump will almost certainly have alienated a large number of votes that will be crucial to maintaining GOP control of Congress (or, at the least, to keeping it out of the control of the DNC).

So, my fair weather friend, you can trust me to vote for your Trump if he is the GOP nominee which, I am afraid, is far more than I can say of you should your Trump not be the nominee.

[Oceander]

I missed the memo regarding the guaranteed outcome.

But to answer your hypothetical question....you elect him to keep the Socialists out of the White House.

Missing the obvious seems to be becoming a disappointingly habitual vice ...

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Is your face going to be contorted as your conscience grapples with the ballot pen

probably not anymore so than when I voted for Dole, Bush, McCain, or Romney...for me the difference will be befuddlement(thanx EC) that conservatives forced me to vote for this moderate candidate.

[Oceander]

probably not anymore so than when I voted for Dole, Bush, McCain, or Romney...for me the difference will be befuddlement(thanx EC) that conservatives forced me to vote for this moderate candidate.

good point.

[sinkspur]

Donald Trump isn't doing a damned thing other than ginning up hatred and class division. 

And he's turning you into the world's biggest sucker because you have been thoroughly blinded to what his actual values are.

When you go to measure the worth of a man (or a woman), you pay attention to what they do, not what they say, and you pay attention to what they say only when they aren't in a position to spin it for the reason its being tested.  This is what you have if you actually pay attention to what Donald Trump really believes, based on his actions, and on what he's said when he wasn't running for nomination:  you have a big-state, crony capitalist whose policy preferences are decidedly left of center.

I am simply aghast at how many republicans/conservatives have by now shown themselves to be utterly stupid, to be intellectually vacuous cows on a par with the idiots who voted for Obama in 2012.

Do I detest Trump?  Yes, I do.  I detest him because not only is he a statist crony capitalist whose real policy preferences tend toward big government that exercises its power for the benefit of the politically-connected oligopoly, but because he's a liar and a hypocrite over and above jack-asses like Sanders who at least has the decency to admit that he's a socialist.

Wow.  I just want to second everything you said here. Trump is big government, squared.  He wants to use his imperial power to tax, to force people out of their homes, to impose single payer healthcare.

His followers are dumbasses. They're mad, but they're burying their objectivity because Trump trashes people they hate.

[Fishrrman]

mass wrote above:
[[ Every day that Trump is talked about to the exclusion of Carson, Cruz, Rubio et al is a day closer to the a Trump nomination, unless Trump says or does something so outrageous that he shoots his own candidacy down.  That last scenario seems more likely to me than someone else stepping up to beat him. ]]

A most wise comment.

Between now and nomination day, the only person that can stop Donald Trump is.... Donald Trump.

I say this as an observer, not particularly as a supporter.

I sense that most posters in this forum sense this as well.
The comments they post are a reflection as to how they regard the reality they seem looming up on the horizon before them...

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Donald Trump isn't doing a damned thing other than ginning up hatred and class division. 

And he's turning you into the world's biggest sucker because you have been thoroughly blinded to what his actual values are.

When you go to measure the worth of a man (or a woman), you pay attention to what they do, not what they say, and you pay attention to what they say only when they aren't in a position to spin it for the reason its being tested.  This is what you have if you actually pay attention to what Donald Trump really believes, based on his actions, and on what he's said when he wasn't running for nomination:  you have a big-state, crony capitalist whose policy preferences are decidedly left of center.

I am simply aghast at how many republicans/conservatives have by now shown themselves to be utterly stupid, to be intellectually vacuous cows on a par with the idiots who voted for Obama in 2012.

Do I detest Trump?  Yes, I do.  I detest him because not only is he a statist crony capitalist whose real policy preferences tend toward big government that exercises its power for the benefit of the politically-connected oligopoly, but because he's a liar and a hypocrite over and above jack-asses like Sanders who at least has the decency to admit that he's a socialist.

Great post.

[Fishrrman]

sinkspur wrote above:
[[ Trump would be the first president elected in the modern age with no constituency in Congress. ]]

Considering the behavior of the current Congress, on both sides of the aisle, who would WANT THEM as "one's constituency" ????

[Oceander]

mass wrote above:
[[ Every day that Trump is talked about to the exclusion of Carson, Cruz, Rubio et al is a day closer to the a Trump nomination, unless Trump says or does something so outrageous that he shoots his own candidacy down.  That last scenario seems more likely to me than someone else stepping up to beat him. ]]

A most wise comment.

Between now and nomination day, the only person that can stop Donald Trump is.... Donald Trump.

I say this as an observer, not particularly as a supporter.

I sense that most posters in this forum sense this as well.
The comments they post are a reflection as to how they regard the reality they seem looming up on the horizon before them...

And that is why I have no faith in republicans - especially conservatives - nor in the American people in general.  The same stupid f*cking idiots who elected Obama will be the same f*cking stupid idiots who elect Trump.

It's not a matter of not being able to grasp reality, it's a matter of not being willing to settle for demagoguery and mobocracy just because the mob of the day calls itself conservative.

I can deal with Trump being the GOP nominee - as I have said repeatedly, I am not an untrustworthy fair weather friend and will vote for him if he is the GOP nominee for the general election - and it is precisely that willingness to seize the sharp end of the sword, notwithstanding the wounds, that gives me the right to call out the whole truth to the rest of you, no matter how much of a Cassandra that makes me.

[sinkspur]

sinkspur wrote above:
[[ Trump would be the first president elected in the modern age with no constituency in Congress. ]]

Considering the behavior of the current Congress, on both sides of the aisle, who would WANT THEM as "one's constituency" ????

Uh, he can't get any of his policies enacted if Congress doesn't go along.  No tax increases, no single payer health care, no driving 12 million illegals out of the country in two years.

Trump's a chump.  If he were to get elected, he wouldn't get a damned thing he wants enacted into law.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Between now and nomination day, the only person that can stop Donald Trump is.... Donald Trump.

I wonder is Trump in charge of his own destiny?  He speaks with such a fractured cadence and structure that the meaning can be easily misinterpreted.  Perhaps that is by design, but it won't/shouldn't last as the spotlight focuses tighter upon him.