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Re: Trump: I don't need to be lectured [his own essay USA Today]
« Reply #25 on: July 20, 2015, 01:38:34 pm »
With pelosi/reid in charge and mccain in the whitehouse we would be much the same place we are now, maybe even worse in the ME.

Are you saying that health insurance rates would be as high and choices as plentiufl?

Are you saying we'd have 2.5 million Middle Eastern Muslims shipped into the country? 

How about current race relations among our citizens?  Gay marriage acceptance?

Are you suggesting 'President' McCain would not have negotiated a successful Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA) and like Obama, pulled out and left a vulnerable Iraqi 'democracy'...empowering Iran?

Are you saying that McCain would have worked out an agreement that would have left Israel asleep with one eye opened?  That he would have toppled Gaddafi?  French-kissed Morsi?  Bent over for the Ayatollahs?

Are you serious??    :whistle:
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Re: Trump: I don't need to be lectured [his own essay USA Today]
« Reply #26 on: July 20, 2015, 01:46:10 pm »
No GOP President or member of Congress would have ever signed Obamacare into law.
But the left had enough votes, including republicans to overturn the veto.
McCain would have been a snack for those guys...
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Not a single Republican voted for it. Not even McCain.

Not House Republican voted for Obamacare.
That is true... But they did not fight very hard either.
They make a lot of noise but no action.
Why is Holder not in jail?
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Those are facts.

I'm not going to engage you in soothsaying and conjecture.
Then why are you involved in political conversations?
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Talk specifics and you need to define what and who it is that you stand for, not just what it is that you claim I stand for that is wrong, otherwise we're done.

Ok, you can quit anytime... ok by me.

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Re: Trump: I don't need to be lectured [his own essay USA Today]
« Reply #27 on: July 20, 2015, 01:48:57 pm »
Luis asked above:
[[ BTW, can we discuss the cost of losing the last two elections and how you believe that NOT winning elections will help fix the country? ]]

We lost the last two elections because of the guys at the top of the ticket.

I have serious doubts that we can win the next one by putting the same kinda guy back on the top of said ticket...

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Re: Trump: I don't need to be lectured [his own essay USA Today]
« Reply #28 on: July 20, 2015, 01:49:18 pm »
Are you saying that health insurance rates would be as high and choices as plentiufl?

Are you saying we'd have 2.5 million Middle Eastern Muslims shipped into the country? 

How about current race relations among our citizens?  Gay marriage acceptance?

Are you suggesting 'President' McCain would not have negotiated a successful Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA) and like Obama, pulled out and left a vulnerable Iraqi 'democracy'...empowering Iran?

Are you saying that McCain would have worked out an agreement that would have left Israel asleep with one eye opened?  That he would have toppled Gaddafi?  French-kissed Morsi?  Bent over for the Ayatollahs?

Are you serious??    :whistle:

Yeah.

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Re: Trump: I don't need to be lectured [his own essay USA Today]
« Reply #29 on: July 20, 2015, 01:50:07 pm »
Take a look at the list of the GOP wannabes. There's only a handful of serious contenders there.

I just don't want to end up with another establishment Republican who just wants to get along with the left. We need radical change in DC.
« Last Edit: July 20, 2015, 01:53:47 pm by aligncare »

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Re: Trump: I don't need to be lectured [his own essay USA Today]
« Reply #30 on: July 20, 2015, 01:55:07 pm »
Luis asked above:
[[ BTW, can we discuss the cost of losing the last two elections and how you believe that NOT winning elections will help fix the country? ]]

We lost the last two elections because of the guys at the top of the ticket.

I have serious doubts that we can win the next one by putting the same kinda guy back on the top of said ticket...

No.

We lost the last two elections because some voters refused to vote for the GOP candidate and decided instead that a Muslim Socialist was a better choice than a Republican to run the country.

We lost the last two elections because people on the right elevated their hatred for people on the right above their love of country, and now those same people want to blame the GOP for the consequence of their choice to let Obama win by their actions or lack of them.

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Re: Trump: I don't need to be lectured [his own essay USA Today]
« Reply #31 on: July 20, 2015, 02:01:36 pm »
I just don't want to end up with another establishment Republican who just wants to get along with the left. We need radical change in DC.

And McCain was the tool chosen to keep that from happening.  It was McCain who attacked Trump over his illegal immigration comments so that Trump would respond and get himself in 'trouble'... which the media is quite happy to blow up into something it wasn't in order to damage Trump... while McCain plays the humble, war-hero, public servant role...

Of course, McCain was previously chosen to get 'The One' elected in the first place... so he's a predictably servile tool...

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Re: Trump: I don't need to be lectured [his own essay USA Today]
« Reply #32 on: July 20, 2015, 02:02:07 pm »
BTW, can we discuss the cost of losing the last two elections and how you believe that NOT winning elections will help fix the country?

It would be great if we could discuss the cost of losing the last two elections without the tiring knee-jerk reaction of automatically placing all of the blame on "conservatives who sat out the election".  I would like to hear a frank and honest discussion of what the GOP leadership has done to alienate a lot of people within their own party...of why it is automatically assumed that only a "moderate" can win - when clearly they can't.  A conversation about why the GOP is afraid of it's own shadow and lives in mortal fear of offending Obama, blacks, hispanics, gays, islamic terrorists, feminists, welfare parasites, the media...and on and on.

Who they end up offending, and have no compunction to do so - is a significant number of people in their own party!  The only reason people keep talking about Donald Trump (ad nauseam) is because he is saying things that a good number of people are hungry to hear - because they never hear it from the GOP!  (I personally think he is in the race to keep the smaller candidates from getting media coverage - once he gets them out of the way - he will drop out.  Not to mention the media and Obama & Co using him as a GIANT distraction from the other stuff going on.  Don't trust Trump much.)  But if we keep talking on-and-on-and-on-and-on about Donald Trump, we are enabling this - taking the bait.  My God, we are so stupid - we deserve to lose elections - we are idiots that never learn.  I'm so disgusted by us right now that I can hardly keep from vomiting. 

If being a spineless coward was such a great strategy - then it would be a winning strategy.  The only reason they won the last mid-term election is because it was a last ditch hail Mary pass - and as many of us expected - it hasn't paid off for us. 

These are the things that have had a great effect on the last two losing elections.  Blame conservatives if you must, but until the leadership is at least willing to SHARE the blame - there can be no productive conversation. 

I'm at the point where I'm not even sure there will even BE another election.  It's that bad, and it's getting worse every day.  The current strategy of "offend no one" is offensive to anyone that wants to see real change in this country - that wants to turn this disaster around.  Unfortunately, I think it's too late.

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Re: Trump: I don't need to be lectured [his own essay USA Today]
« Reply #33 on: July 20, 2015, 02:09:06 pm »
It would be great if we could discuss the cost of losing the last two elections without the tiring knee-jerk reaction of automatically placing all of the blame on "conservatives who sat out the election".  I would like to hear a frank and honest discussion of what the GOP leadership has done to alienate a lot of people within their own party...of why it is automatically assumed that only a "moderate" can win - when clearly they can't.  A conversation about why the GOP is afraid of it's own shadow and lives in mortal fear of offending Obama, blacks, hispanics, gays, islamic terrorists, feminists, welfare parasites, the media...and on and on.

Who they end up offending, and have no compunction to do so - is a significant number of people in their own party!  The only reason people keep talking about Donald Trump (ad nauseam) is because he is saying things that a good number of people are hungry to hear - because they never hear it from the GOP!  (I personally think he is in the race to keep the smaller candidates from getting media coverage - once he gets them out of the way - he will drop out.  Not to mention the media and Obama & Co using him as a GIANT distraction from the other stuff going on.  Don't trust Trump much.)  But if we keep talking on-and-on-and-on-and-on about Donald Trump, we are enabling this - taking the bait.  My God, we are so stupid - we deserve to lose elections - we are idiots that never learn.  I'm so disgusted by us right now that I can hardly keep from vomiting. 

If being a spineless coward was such a great strategy - then it would be a winning strategy.  The only reason they won the last mid-term election is because it was a last ditch hail Mary pass - and as many of us expected - it hasn't paid off for us. 

These are the things that have had a great effect on the last two losing elections.  Blame conservatives if you must, but until the leadership is at least willing to SHARE the blame - there can be no productive conversation. 

I'm at the point where I'm not even sure there will even BE another election.  It's that bad, and it's getting worse every day.  The current strategy of "offend no one" is offensive to anyone that wants to see real change in this country - that wants to turn this disaster around.  Unfortunately, I think it's too late.



Wow. You're so sexy when you're intellectually awesome!

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Re: Trump: I don't need to be lectured [his own essay USA Today]
« Reply #34 on: July 20, 2015, 02:29:32 pm »
Are you saying that health insurance rates would be as high and choices as plentiufl?

Are you saying we'd have 2.5 million Middle Eastern Muslims shipped into the country? 

How about current race relations among our citizens?  Gay marriage acceptance?

Are you suggesting 'President' McCain would not have negotiated a successful Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA) and like Obama, pulled out and left a vulnerable Iraqi 'democracy'...empowering Iran?

Are you saying that McCain would have worked out an agreement that would have left Israel asleep with one eye opened?  That he would have toppled Gaddafi?  French-kissed Morsi?  Bent over for the Ayatollahs?

Are you serious??    :whistle:

We would still have obamacare (under a different name maybe)
The supreme court are the ones that forced gay marriage on us.  McCain could not have stopped it.
So you believe that race is the presidents doing?  I believe it is 100% on the media's hands.
McCain would have doubled down in the ME and we would be burring a lot more of our kids.  He is Mr. ROE.  He wants to play at war not win it.

Edit:  Just for the record, I did voter for McCain but had no expectation that change was in the making.
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Re: Trump: I don't need to be lectured [his own essay USA Today]
« Reply #35 on: July 20, 2015, 02:38:02 pm »
Wow. You're so sexy when you're intellectually awesome!

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Re: Trump: I don't need to be lectured [his own essay USA Today]
« Reply #36 on: July 20, 2015, 02:48:40 pm »
It would be great if we could discuss the cost of losing the last two elections without the tiring knee-jerk reaction of automatically placing all of the blame on "conservatives who sat out the election".  I would like to hear a frank and honest discussion of what the GOP leadership has done to alienate a lot of people within their own party...of why it is automatically assumed that only a "moderate" can win - when clearly they can't.  A conversation about why the GOP is afraid of it's own shadow and lives in mortal fear of offending Obama, blacks, hispanics, gays, islamic terrorists, feminists, welfare parasites, the media...and on and on.

Who they end up offending, and have no compunction to do so - is a significant number of people in their own party!  The only reason people keep talking about Donald Trump (ad nauseam) is because he is saying things that a good number of people are hungry to hear - because they never hear it from the GOP!  (I personally think he is in the race to keep the smaller candidates from getting media coverage - once he gets them out of the way - he will drop out.  Not to mention the media and Obama & Co using him as a GIANT distraction from the other stuff going on.  Don't trust Trump much.)  But if we keep talking on-and-on-and-on-and-on about Donald Trump, we are enabling this - taking the bait.  My God, we are so stupid - we deserve to lose elections - we are idiots that never learn.  I'm so disgusted by us right now that I can hardly keep from vomiting. 

If being a spineless coward was such a great strategy - then it would be a winning strategy.  The only reason they won the last mid-term election is because it was a last ditch hail Mary pass - and as many of us expected - it hasn't paid off for us. 

These are the things that have had a great effect on the last two losing elections.  Blame conservatives if you must, but until the leadership is at least willing to SHARE the blame - there can be no productive conversation. 

I'm at the point where I'm not even sure there will even BE another election.  It's that bad, and it's getting worse every day.  The current strategy of "offend no one" is offensive to anyone that wants to see real change in this country - that wants to turn this disaster around.  Unfortunately, I think it's too late.

It's not a jerk reaction to blame the loss of the election on people sitting out the election when people are openly saying that they sat out the election because they didn't like the candidate.

That's just a fact. The reasons why they felt justified to sit the election out is something else altogether.

The OTHER fact is that if the GOP nominates some abject moron like Trump or a SoCon like Huckabee or Santorum because some people believe them to be conservatives because they talk about God all the time, and those of us who believe that they are abject, worthless morons sit out the election, the GOP will again lose, irrespective of whether or not the conservative wing shows up at the polling places.

What loses elections is the fact that the right does not unite behind one candidate once that candidate wins the primaries.

The left is defined and united by their hatred for the right, and the right is defined and divided by their hatred for the right.

We can go on all day and all night talking about how some portion of the GOP is dissatisfied with the GOP and how someone that's not a "moderate" would be a better candidate, but the long and the short of it is that some of us will vote for the GOP nominee, EVEN IF BY SOME FREAKISH HAPPENSTANCE THAT NOMINEE IS SOME FAR-RIGHT IDEOLOGUE THAT'S NOT PALATABLE TO US, while others will NOT vote for a candidate that's not "right enough" to find suitable.

This country needs a rest form ideologues.

Putting up a moderate that may somehow try to unite us instead of further dividing us along political ideological lines to the degree where we can't even enjoy a good song because we object to the singer's politics, may be a welcomed change.

Just my honest opinion.
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Re: Trump: I don't need to be lectured [his own essay USA Today]
« Reply #37 on: July 20, 2015, 02:52:41 pm »
It's not a jerk reaction to blame the loss of the election on people sitting out the election when people are openly saying that they sat out the election because they didn't like the candidate.

That's just a fact. The reasons why they felt justified to sit the election out is something else altogether.

The OTHER fact is that if the GOP nominates some abject moron like Trump or a SoCon like Huckabee or Santorum because some people believe them to be conservatives because they talk about God all the time, and those of us who believe that they are abject, worthless morons sit out the election, the GOP will again lose, irrespective of whether or not the conservative wing shows up at the polling places.

What loses elections is the fact that the right does not unite behind one candidate once that candidate wins the primaries.

The left is defined and united by their hatred for the right, and the right is defined and divided by their hatred for the right.

We can go on all day and all night talking about how some portion of the GOP is dissatisfied with the GOP and how someone that's not a "moderate" would be a better candidate, but the long and the short of it is that some of us will vote for the GOP nominee, EVEN IF BY SOME FREAKISH HAPPENSTANCE THAT NOMINEE IS SOME FAR-RIGHT IDEOLOGUE THAT'S NOT PALATABLE TO US, while others will NOT vote for a candidate that's not "right enough" to find suitable.

This country needs a rest form ideologues.

Putting up a moderate that may somehow try to unite us instead of further dividing us along political ideological lines to the degree where we can't even enjoy a good song because we object to the singer's politics, may be a welcomed change.

Just my honest opinion.

You're wrong.

(Just my honest opinion.)   :beer:

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Re: Trump: I don't need to be lectured [his own essay USA Today]
« Reply #38 on: July 20, 2015, 03:09:15 pm »
Judging from Google news the MSM will not follow Trump into McCain criticism and are using this to further bash him.  In other words Trump is losing this one maybe not among the far-right but in the MSM which is bound to have an effect on the independents.

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« Reply #39 on: July 20, 2015, 03:17:57 pm »
Judging from Google news the MSM will not follow Trump into McCain criticism and are using this to further bash him.  In other words Trump is losing this one maybe not among the far-right but in the MSM which is bound to have an effect on the independents.

You will get the candidates that the msm and the people who control that media want you to have...


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« Reply #40 on: July 20, 2015, 03:30:17 pm »
You will get the candidates that the msm and the people who control that media want you to have...

Just a cop-out to the fact that there hasn't been a really strong conservative Republican for quite some time.  On the other hand Democrats have Hillary who seems to be strong but is sabotaging herself by her arrogance.

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« Reply #41 on: July 20, 2015, 03:32:39 pm »
Just a cop-out to the fact that there hasn't been a really strong conservative Republican for quite some time.  On the other hand Democrats have Hillary who seems to be strong but is sabotaging herself by her arrogance.

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« Reply #42 on: July 20, 2015, 04:18:35 pm »
Just a cop-out to the fact that there hasn't been a really strong conservative Republican for quite some time.  On the other hand Democrats have Hillary who seems to be strong but is sabotaging herself by her arrogance.

In order to make the 'cop-out to the fact' claim you must beg the question by assuming that a 'really strong conservative Republican' did not exist because had they existed they would have received fair treatment from a tightly-controlled, overwhelmingly-liberal media and been nominated.

Sorry to say but... that's not a fact... that's just circular reasoning...

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« Reply #43 on: July 20, 2015, 04:21:19 pm »
In order to make the 'cop-out to the fact' claim you must beg the question by assuming that a 'really strong conservative Republican' did not exist because had they existed they would have received fair treatment from a tightly-controlled, overwhelmingly-liberal media and been nominated.

Sorry to say but... that's not a fact... that's just circular reasoning...

I think you're a little paranoid Dan.  Nothing could stop a really good conservative and Republicans don't pay much attention to what the MSM thinks. 

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Re: Trump: I don't need to be lectured [his own essay USA Today]
« Reply #44 on: July 20, 2015, 04:32:30 pm »
Luis wrote above:
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We lost the last two elections because some voters refused to vote for the GOP candidate and decided instead that a Muslim Socialist was a better choice than a Republican to run the country. ]]


Well if that's your premise, Luis, just repeat the process all over again with a candidate of similar qualities, and see how many of those same Republican voters stay home a THIRD time.

By the way, I DIDN'T "stay home" the two previous elections, but if the Pubbies insist on "repeat candidates" a la 2008 and 2012, I won't make any promises about goin' to the polls next time...

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« Reply #45 on: July 20, 2015, 04:33:07 pm »
I think you're a little paranoid Dan.  Nothing could stop a really good conservative and Republicans don't pay much attention to what the MSM thinks.

And I think you're very naive, bkepley, if you don't know that the msm is tightly-controlled, extremely liberal and believe that 'nothing could stop a really good conservative'...

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Re: Trump: I don't need to be lectured [his own essay USA Today]
« Reply #46 on: July 20, 2015, 04:37:02 pm »
Judging from Google news the MSM will not follow Trump into McCain criticism and are using this to further bash him.  In other words Trump is losing this one maybe not among the far-right but in the MSM which is bound to have an effect on the independents.
You bring up the independents? The very people the right needs, to win?

How dare you step outside the narrow view of all conservatism, all the time. Nothing and nobody else matters.
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« Reply #47 on: July 20, 2015, 04:43:35 pm »
You bring up the independents? The very people the right needs, to win?

How dare you step outside the narrow view of all conservatism, all the time. Nothing and nobody else matters.

With all due respect t_s, what is it with you and conservatism?  Almost every post you make is a slam at a truly superb political ideology.  Does it have its faults?  Of course, and some erroneously like to claim it to support very non-conservative positions.  But so do so-called progressives.  This is simply a question t_s, not a slam at you.  I'm just very curious.
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« Reply #48 on: July 20, 2015, 04:45:30 pm »
Luis wrote above:
[[ This country needs a rest form ideologues...]]

I checked "idealogue" using the Dictionary app on my Mac:
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ideologue |ˈīdēəˌlôg, -ˌläg, ˈidēə-|
noun
an adherent of an ideology, especially one who is uncompromising and dogmatic: a conservative ideologue.
ORIGIN early 19th cent.: from French idéologue; see also ideology.
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I will counter your statement with the assertion that the person who I consider to be the strongest Republican contender -- Scott Walker -- is also the individual who [if viewed through his governing] is the greatest "idealogue" of all the current candidates.

Has he not pursued a somewhat ruthless and successful campaign against the left in Wisconsin by sticking to a set of conservative principles with a quiet fervor that only an "ideologue" might possess?

Walker's strength is that he is a conservative who softens the edges of his ideology with a quiet, but resolved personality.

"Uncompromising" and "dogmatic", to be sure.
And that's EXACTLY what I like about him!

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« Reply #49 on: July 20, 2015, 04:59:06 pm »
When all is said and done, no matter who gets elected, the party if their choice is going to dictate the agenda.
I am convinced that all of this noise is simply to find the person most liked.
There will be no border security and the budget will continue to balloon out of control and the government will double in size in 10 years.