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In favor: Kennedy, Breyer, Ginsburg, Sotomayor, Kagan
Against: Roberts, Scalia, Thomas Alito

Kennedy writing the decision.

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Ironic quote, from Roberts's dissent: "But this court is not a legislature."
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Jun 26, 10:16 AM EDT

Supreme Court extends same-sex marriage nationwide

By MARK SHERMAN
Associated Press



WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Supreme Court declared Friday that same-sex couples have a right to marry anywhere in the United States.

Gay and lesbian couples already could marry in 36 states and the District of Columbia. The court's 5-4 ruling means the remaining 14 states, in the South and Midwest, will have to stop enforcing their bans on same-sex marriage.

The outcome is the culmination of two decades of Supreme Court litigation over marriage, and gay rights generally.

Justice Anthony Kennedy wrote the majority opinion, just as he did in the court's previous three major gay rights cases dating back to 1996. It came on the anniversary of two of those earlier decisions.

"No union is more profound than marriage," Kennedy wrote, joined by the court's four more liberal justices.

The four dissenting justices each filed a separate opinion explaining their views.

"But this court is not a legislature. Whether same-sex marriage is a good idea should be of no concern to us," Chief Justice John Roberts wrote in dissent. Roberts read a summary of his dissent from the bench, the first time he has done so in nearly 10 years as chief justice.

Justice Antonin Scalia said he is not concerned so much about same-sex marriage, but about "this court's threat to American democracy." Justices Samuel Alito and Clarence Thomas also dissented.

The ruling will not take effect immediately because the court gives the losing side roughly three weeks to ask for reconsideration. But some state officials and county clerks might decide there is little risk in issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples.

The cases before the court involved laws from Kentucky, Michigan, Ohio and Tennessee that define marriage as the union of a man and a woman. Those states have not allowed same-sex couples to marry within their borders and they also have refused to recognize valid marriages from elsewhere.

Just two years ago, the Supreme Court struck down part of the federal anti-gay marriage law that denied a range of government benefits to legally married same-sex couples.

The decision in United States v. Windsor did not address the validity of state marriage bans, but courts across the country, with few exceptions, said its logic compelled them to invalidate state laws that prohibited gay and lesbian couples from marrying.

The number of states allowing same-sex marriage has grown rapidly. As recently as October, just over one-third of the states permitted same-sex marriage.

There are an estimated 390,000 married same-sex couples in the United States, according to UCLA's Williams Institute, which tracks the demographics of gay and lesbian Americans. Another 70,000 couples living in states that do not currently permit them to wed would get married in the next three years, the institute says. Roughly 1 million same-sex couples, married and unmarried, live together in the United States, the institute says.

The Obama administration backed the right of same-sex couples to marry. The Justice Department's decision to stop defending the federal anti-marriage law in 2011 was an important moment for gay rights and President Barack Obama declared his support for same-sex marriage in 2012.
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JOHN ROBERTS ON GAY RULING:

'If you are among the many Americans--of whatever sexual orientation--who favor expanding same-sex marriage, by all means celebrate today's decision. Celebrate the achievement of a desired goal. Celebrate the opportunity for a new expression of commitment to a partner. Celebrate the availability of new benefits. But do not Celebrate the Constitution. It had nothing to do with it'
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If you are part of a Christian church that believes that such ceremonies are contrary to your religious beliefs, and wonder what to do about this, I suggest starting with the Alliance Defending Freedom.
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So, today, Roberts decides the SC should ignore the effects of a positive ruling and decide based on the law.

Yesterday, Roberts said the SC has to consider the effects of a negative ruling and decide based on the outcomes.

Schizophrenic doesn't BEGIN to describe this clown.
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If you are part of a Christian church that believes that such ceremonies are contrary to your religious beliefs, and wonder what to do about this, I suggest starting with the Alliance Defending Freedom.

If you are part of a Christian denomination, you may as well prepare for your church to lose its tax exemption within five years. The gay lobby is not done forcing their views down your throat.
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Next there will be cases by fundamentalist Mormons, and by muslims, desirous of their religious freedom, too.

Both fundamentalist Mormons, and muslims, already practice polygamy in America, but they will want to come out in the open.

They will want their religious freedom, too.
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So, today, Roberts decides the SC should ignore the effects of a positive ruling and decide based on the law.

Yesterday, Roberts said the SC has to consider the effects of a negative ruling and decide based on the outcomes.

Schizophrenic doesn't BEGIN to describe this clown.

It is called "making it up as you go" (majority rules with no protection for the minority). It is the way things are done throughout America in this brave new day.  Hillary will enjoy it so.

This is just another step along the path.
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dont give a damm what the Supreme court says
gay marriage is and aways will be a abomination against god and nature
 Homosexually  will always  be outside normal humanity
all the liberal whining will not change that
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Next there will be cases by fundamentalist Mormons, and by muslims, desirous of their religious freedom, too.

Both fundamentalist Mormons, and muslims, already practice polygamy in America, but they will want to come out in the open.

They will want their religious freedom, too.

Polygamy has deep Biblical and cultural roots across multiple centuries and religious polygamy is supposed to be protected by the First Amendment. 
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Next there will be cases by fundamentalist Mormons, and by muslims, desirous of their religious freedom, too.

Both fundamentalist Mormons, and muslims, already practice polygamy in America, but they will want to come out in the open.

They will want their religious freedom, too.

And Muslims will get it...Mormons I'm not so sure. We pick and choose our winners in America today based on how well they support the dominant social culture or on how well they hate the country that we formerly had in America.  The Mormons may have some problems on both those fronts.
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It is called "making it up as you go" (majority rules with no protection for the minority). It is the way things are done throughout America in this brave new day.  Hillary will enjoy it so.

This is just another step along the path.

Agreed. The path is clear, the endpoint is not pretty, but easily identified.
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This ruling was fully expected, and very much in the tradition of Roe v Wade and other recent instances of very bad law.

The USA is now a lonely, desolate place place indeed for anyone who believes in traditional values, natural rights, or even states' rights.  Federal institutionalism is the omnipotent tyrant, and it simply does not matter one whit what the constitution says, or even what the people say.

Warning to all the progressives: you will rue the day you wished for this all-encompassing federal government.

   

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Supreme Court Forces Gay Marriage Upon All 50 States: Federalism Is Dead

Posted By Michael van der Galien On June 26, 2015 @ 7:25 am In News | No Comments


The Supreme Court has just ruled that gay marriage has to be legal in all 50 states. Although I personally support the right of gays to marry, this is an incredibly bad decision.

The “right” of gays to marry has never existed. It isn’t protected by the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights. In fact, because of the 10th Amendment this issue (marriage) is completely left to the individual states. In other words, marriage is none of the federal government’s business; it’s up to individual states to decide whether to legalize it or not.

Combined with yesterday’s ruling on ObamaCare (read my article on that one here), we can only conclude that federalism is no more. America is now a centralized country, comparable to individual European states.

Federalism is dead. And that’s all because of the robed Houdinis who have taken America hostage. These men and women in black have decided that text of laws and the Constitution no longer matter.


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If you are part of a Christian denomination, you may as well prepare for your church to lose its tax exemption within five years. The gay lobby is not done forcing their views down your throat.
I fear you are correct. All the statements of faith and facilities use policies in the world will not help us at some point. The Bible-believing churches of the USA will, in the near future, look like the underground churches of the USSR, China and other officially atheist countries.

As an aside, here's the RNC platform plank on marriage:

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RNC Platform: Preserving and Protecting Traditional Marriage


 "The institution of marriage is the foundation of civil society. Its success as an institution will determine our success as a nation. It has been proven by both experience and endless social science studies that traditional marriage is best for children. Children raised in intact married families are more likely to attend college, are physically and emotionally healthier, are less likely to use drugs or alcohol, engage in crime, or get pregnant outside of marriage. The success of marriage directly impacts the economic well-being of individuals. Furthermore, the future of marriage affects freedom. The lack of family formation not only leads to more government costs, but also to more government control over the lives of its citizens in all aspects. We recognize and honor the courageous efforts of those who bear the many burdens of parenting alone, even as we believe that marriage, the union of one man and one woman must be upheld as the national standard, a goal to stand for, encourage, and promote through laws governing marriage. We embrace the principle that all Americans should be treated with respect and dignity "
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This ruling was fully expected, and very much in the tradition of Roe v Wade and other recent instances of very bad law.

The USA is now a lonely, desolate place place indeed for anyone who believes in traditional values, natural rights, or even states' rights.  Federal institutionalism is the omnipotent tyrant, and it simply does not matter one whit what the constitution says, or even what the people say.

Warning to all the progressives: you will rue the day you wished for this all-encompassing federal government.

 

In general, Americans 40 and under see the government as the answer to all problems. They have no sense of history, and only wish for the government to take control of people who "don't do as they should".

It saddens me to realize that these people aren't smart enough to see what's coming. And when they do get the governmental nightmare they wish for, they won't be smart enough to understand they facilitated their own misery.

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So, today, Roberts decides the SC should ignore the effects of a positive ruling and decide based on the law.

Yesterday, Roberts said the SC has to consider the effects of a negative ruling and decide based on the outcomes.

Schizophrenic doesn't BEGIN to describe this clown.

Perhaps it's not all that "schizophrenic" if you understand this consistency: the Court in both instances is trying to advance a favored outcome, irrespective of the plain meaning of words in laws as they are written. 
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Statement of Franklin Graham, posted on Facebook:

The Supreme Court of the United States has ruled today that same-sex marriage is legal in all 50 states. With all due respect to the court, it did not define marriage, and therefore is not entitled to re-define it.

Long before our government came into existence, marriage was created by the One who created man and woman—Almighty God—and His decisions are not subject to review or revision by any manmade court. God is clear about the definition of marriage in His Holy Word: “Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh” (Genesis 2:24).
 I pray God will spare America from His judgment, though, by our actions as a nation, we give Him less and less reason to do so.
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Perhaps it's not all that "schizophrenic" if you understand this consistency: the Court in both instances is trying to advance a favored outcome, irrespective of the plain meaning of words in laws as they are written.

SCOTUS is now KING and this once great Republic is DEAD!
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Judicial Activism From Supreme Court on Marriage. Here’s How to Respond.
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Today is a significant setback for all Americans who believe in the Constitution, the rule of law, democratic self-government, and marriage as the union of one man and one woman. The U.S. Supreme Court got it wrong: It should not have mandated all 50 states to redefine marriage.

This is judicial activism: nothing in the Constitution requires the redefinition of marriage, and the court imposed its judgment about a policy matter that should be decided by the American people and their elected representatives. The court got marriage and the Constitution wrong today just like they got abortion and the Constitution wrong 42 years ago with Roe v. Wade. Five unelected judges do not have the power to change the truth about marriage or the truth about the Constitution.

The court summarized its ruling in this way—which highlights that they have redefined marriage, substituting their own opinion for that of the citizens:
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The limitation of marriage to opposite-sex couples may long have seemed natural and just, but its inconsistency with the central mean­ing of the fundamental right to marry is now manifest.
Manifest to five unelected judges that is. Not to the majority of American citizens who voted to define marriage correctly. As Chief Justice Roberts pointed out in dissent:
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If you are among the many Americans—of whatever sexual orientation—who favor expanding same-sex marriage, by all means celebrate today’s decision. Celebrate the achievement of a desired goal. Celebrate the opportunity for a new expression of commitment to a partner. Celebrate the availability of new benefits. But do not celebrate the Constitution. It had nothing to do with it.

That’s exactly right. When it comes to the majority opinion, the Constitution “had nothing to do with it.”

We must work to restore the constitutional authority of citizens and their elected officials to make marriage policy that reflects the truth about marriage. We the people must explain what marriage is, why marriage matters, and why redefining marriage is bad for society.

For marriage policy to serve the common good it must reflect the truth that marriage unites a man and a woman as husband and wife so that children will have both a mother and a father. Marriage is based on the anthropological truth that men and woman are distinct and complementary, the biological fact that reproduction depends on a man and a woman, and the social reality that children deserve a mother and a father.

The government is not in the marriage business because it’s a sucker for adult romance. No, marriage isn’t just a private affair; marriage is a matter of public policy because marriage is society’s best way to ensure the well-being of children. State recognition of marriage acts as a powerful social norm that encourages men and women to commit to each other so they will take responsibility for any children that follow.

Redefining marriage to make it a genderless institution fundamentally changes marriage: It makes the relationship more about the desires of adults than about the needs—or rights—of children. It teaches the lie that mothers and fathers are interchangeable.

Because the court has inappropriately redefined marriage everywhere, there is urgent need for policy to ensure that the government never penalizes anyone for standing up for marriage. As discussed in my new book, “Truth Overruled: The Future of Marriage and Religious Freedom,” we must work to protect the freedom of speech, association and religion of those who continue to abide by the truth of marriage as union of man and woman.

At the federal level, the First Amendment Defense Act is a good place to start. It says that the federal government cannot discriminate against people and institutions that speak and act according to their belief that marriage is a union of one man and one woman. States need similar policies.

Recognizing the truth about marriage is good public policy. Today’s decision is a significant set-back to achieving that goal. We must work to reverse it and recommit ourselves to building a strong marriage culture because so much of our future depends upon it.
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Next there will be cases by fundamentalist Mormons, and by muslims, desirous of their religious freedom, too.

Both fundamentalist Mormons, and muslims, already practice polygamy in America, but they will want to come out in the open.

They will want their religious freedom, too.

And the pedophiles are right behind them. Not to mention transsexual rights, and forced morality to accept all these different 'lifestyles'.

The goal is the kids, the secondary goal is the domination of hetero white males. We're just getting started.
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Obama: Justice arrives 'like a thunderbolt'
By Jordan Fabian - 06/26/15 11:26 AM EDT

President Obama on Friday hailed a Supreme Court decision legalizing same-sex marriage nationwide, saying justice has arrived “like a thunderbolt” for gay and lesbian couples.
 
“They’ve reaffirmed that all Americans are entitled to the equal protection of the law, that all people should be treated equally,” Obama said in the Rose Garden.
 
Obama said the ruling ends uncertainty for same-sex couples by ending the “patchwork” system of marriage laws in the United States.
 
“Sometimes there are days like this, when that slow, steady effort is rewarded with justice that arrives like a thunderbolt,” Obama said.
 
Obama opposed same-sex marriage when he was first elected president in 2008. He backed it before the 2012 election, saying his views had been “evolving” during his time in the White House.
 
The president did, however, endorse the repeal of the Defense of Marriage Act, which denied federal benefits to same-sex married couples.
 
In a 5-4 ruling, the high court ruled same-sex couples have the right to marry under the 14th amendment of the Constitution. That means the 14 states that still have bans on same-sex marriage can no longer enforce them.
 
“Today, we can say in no uncertain terms that we have made our union a little more perfect," Obama said from the Rose Garden.
 
He credited the efforts of gay-rights advocates, saying they displayed "thousands of small acts of courage" to advance their cause.
 
Just before making his statement, Obama called the plaintiff in the case, Jim Obergefell, to congratulate him on the ruling, according to CNN. 
 
Obama also encouraged respect for "Americans of goodwill" who oppose the ruling because of "sincere and deeply held beliefs."
 
Dozens of White House staff members, including senior adviser Valerie Jarrett, stood along the colonnade next to the Rose Garden to watch Obama’s remarks.
 
It was the second day in a row Obama appeared in the Rose Garden to celebrate a major Supreme Court decision. He told the nation Thursday his signature healthcare law is “here to stay” after the court ruled in its favor.
 
Obama ended the speech by quoting Robert Kennedy, who said individual actions by people can be like pebbles thrown into a still lake, as “ripples of hope cascade outwards and change the world.”
 
“Those countless, often anonymous heroes, they deserve our thanks. They should be very proud. America should be very proud,” he said before walking back to the Oval Office.
 
In a rare sight, aides lining the colonnade between his office and the Rose Garden applauded as Obama walked by.
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June 26, 2015, 10:55 am
GOP candidates rip 'imperial court' for legalizing gay marriage

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Republican presidential candidates are slamming the Supreme Court for legalizing same-sex marriage, calling Friday’s ruling an assault against Christian values and religious liberty.

Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, who has made religious liberty a major theme of his bid for the Republican presidential nomination, said the decision will “pave the way for an all out assault against the religious freedom rights of Christians who disagree with this decision.”

"The Supreme Court decision today conveniently and not surprisingly follows public opinion polls, and tramples on states' rights that were once protected by the 10th Amendment of the Constitution,” Jindal said in a statement. “Marriage between a man and a woman was established by God, and no earthly court can alter that.”



Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee vowed not to “acquiesce to an imperial court any more than our Founders acquiesced to an imperial British monarch.”

"The Supreme Court has spoken with a very divided voice on something only the Supreme Being can do — redefine marriage,” Huckabee said. “We must resist and reject judicial tyranny, not retreat.”

Next week, Huckabee will embark on a “Religious Liberty Townhall Tour” through Iowa. 

He called the ruling the “irrational, unconstitutional rejection of the expressed will of the people in over 30 states,” and said it would go down in history as “one of the court's most disastrous decisions.”

“The only outcome worse than this flawed, failed decision would be for the President and Congress, two co-equal branches of government, to surrender in the face of this out-of-control act of unconstitutional, judicial tyranny,” Huckabee said. “The Supreme Court can no more repeal the laws of nature and nature's God on marriage than it can the laws of gravity.”

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker called the court’s decision a “grave mistake,” and called for an amendment to the Constitution to strip the courts of their authority on the issue.

“As a result of this decision, the only alternative left for the American people is to support an amendment to the U.S. Constitution to reaffirm the ability of the states to continue to define marriage,” Walker said.

“The states are the proper place for these decisions to be made,” he continued. “As we have seen repeatedly over the last few days, we will need a conservative president who will appoint men and women to the Court who will faithfully interpret the Constitution and laws of our land without injecting their own political agendas.” 


Carly Fiorina said Friday’s ruling is “the latest example of an activist Court ignoring its constitutional duty,” declaring that the Supreme Court “did not and could not end this debate today.”

“I do not agree that the Court can or should redefine marriage,” Fiorina said. “I believe that responsibility should have remained with states and voters where this conversation has continued in churches, town halls and living rooms around the country. Moving forward, however, all of our effort should be focused on protecting the religious liberties and freedom of conscience for those Americans that profoundly disagree with today's decision.”


Former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum vowed to keep fighting against the implementation of same-sex marriage, saying “the stakes are too high and the issue too important to simply cede the will of the people to five unaccountable justices."

“Leaders don't accept bad decisions that they believe harm the country, they have the courage of their convictions and lead the country down the better path,” Santorum said. “As president … I will stand for the preservation of religious liberty and conscience, to believe what you are called to believe free from persecution. And I will ensure that the people will have a voice in decisions that impact the rock upon which our civilization is built.”

Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush and retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson had the most tempered responses of the 2016 hopefuls.

“Guided by my faith, I believe in traditional marriage,” Bush said. “I believe the Supreme Court should have allowed the states to make this decision.”

However, Bush added that he also believes “we should love our neighbor and respect others, including those making lifetime commitments.”

“In a country as diverse as ours, good people who have opposing views should be able to live side by side,” he said. “It is now crucial that as a country we protect religious freedom and the right of conscience and also not discriminate.”

Carson said that he strongly disagrees with the court’s decision, but supports same-sex civil unions.

“To me, and millions like me, marriage is a religious service not a government form,” Carson said.

“Their ruling is now the law of the land,” he continued. “I call on Congress to make sure deeply held religious views are respected and protected. The government must never force Christians to violate their religious beliefs.”
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Gay Marriage Won't Be Controversial

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Marriage equality is the law of the land.

Perhaps the most amazing thing about the U.S. Supreme Court’s decision Friday in Obergefell, which recognizes marriage as a basic right, is that it’s not going to be very controversial.
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I'm thinking of transitioning.

That's right, I want to be on the winning team so I'm declaring here and now I'm becoming a democrat.

The surgery is scheduled for next month. My surgeon assures me I can function just fine without my frontal lobes – democrats have been doing it for decades.
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