Senate Conservatives Fund targets McCain

[alicewonders]

Tell me what makes Republicabs call conservatives.

I don't know what that means. 

There are enough people that are unhappy with the party's direction that it is going to change one way or another.  The fact that a group within the party felt the need to launch a million dollar ad against Rand Paul on the day he declares his candidacy tells me that they are worried about him.  If he represented a "nothing" movement, they wouldn't have done that. 

[aligncare]

Obama doesn't own the word "change".

America is not perfect.

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,[note 1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

All we can ever do is try to be "more" perfect.

Change is good, if it's for the better.

[alicewonders]

America is not perfect.

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,[note 1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

All we can ever do is try to be "more" perfect.

Change is good, if it's for the better.

We should never stop trying to change for the better, but it is upon our shoulders to make sure we're not being deceived by those who use code words of change, when they mean to destroy. 

[evadR]

I don't know what that means. 

There are enough people that are unhappy with the party's direction that it is going to change one way or another.  The fact that a group within the party felt the need to launch a million dollar ad against Rand Paul on the day he declares his candidacy tells me that they are worried about him.  If he represented a "nothing" movement, they wouldn't have done that.

It tells me that they are a group that I would not support, in any manner.

[alicewonders]

It tells me that they are a group that I would not support, in any manner.

 

[Luis Gonzalez]

We should never stop trying to change for the better, but it is upon our shoulders to make sure we're not being deceived by those who use code words of change, when they mean to destroy.

Every politician that has ever run for any office anywhere at any level has run on the promise that they will bring about change. 

And here we are.

Does that mean that change is a bad thing?

No. It means that politicians are a bad thing, and the idea that another politician is the way out of the mess we're in is myopic.

[Cyber Liberty]

As far as McCain, I saw that movie last time, where "true conservatives" vowed to unseat him; all but swore he'd lose badly, and then the ordinary people Democrat crossovers  reelected him, nevertheless. I guess the voters did not have the litmus test spreadsheets from the political junkies.

It is like last November is lost from memories, as if it didn't happen.

You really don't know how Primaries work in AZ, do you?

[alicewonders]

You really don't know how Primaries work in AZ, do you?

How do they work?  I think AZ has a similar problem as here in KY, where we have Mitch McConnell.  He's not really popular, but he stills keeps on winning.  For one, it's hard to find someone who will run against him because he is ruthless and well-funded in campaigning.  All well for him, but I don't think it nets us the best man for the job - only the most powerful man for the job.

How is it with McCain?  Is he that popular in AZ?

[Cyber Liberty]

How do they work?  I think AZ has a similar problem as here in KY, where we have Mitch McConnell.  He's not really popular, but he stills keeps on winning.  For one, it's hard to find someone who will run against him because he is ruthless and well-funded in campaigning.  All well for him, but I don't think it nets us the best man for the job - only the most powerful man for the job.

How is it with McCain?  Is he that popular in AZ?

As you might expect, Dems love him.  In AZ, Indies are allowed to choose which primaries to vote in.  Because of that, most voters are registered Independent, and they swarm to elect McCain every time.  The seat is his for life, and there isn't a damned thing anybody can do about it, except see the posts from the know-it-alls who say we're stupid here in AZ.

I call his plan the Ted Kennedy plan:  He'll die in office.

[alicewonders]

As you might expect, Dems love him.  In AZ, Indies are allowed to choose which primaries to vote in.  Because of that, most voters are registered Independent, and they swarm to elect McCain every time.  The seat is his for life, and there isn't a damned thing anybody can do about it, except see the posts from the know-it-alls who say we're stupid here in AZ.

I call his plan the Ted Kennedy plan:  He'll die in office.

Thanks Cyber.  Here, we have closed primaries and Independents cannot vote at all in the primary.  That's the main reason I'm still registered as a Republican - so I can vote.  The last primary election with challenger Matt Bevin was the closest I can remember, but Mitch ran a dirty thug campaign.  You wouldn't think a 30 year incumbent would have to do such a thing, but he did.  Apparently his record just wasn't enough.  He'll probably die in office too - but instead of the Ted Kennedy plan, I call it the Robert Byrd plan.

 

[truth_seeker]

You really don't know how Primaries work in AZ, do you?

I expect you will fill all of us in on exactly how primaries work, in Arizona.

I show below the link, for the primary race in question. The fact McCain won by 56% to 32% over Hackworth, informs me democrat crossovers did NOT alter the election.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Arizona,_2010

According to this site, Arizona has a closed primary.

https://grassrootsidgop.wordpress.com/list-of-states-with-open-and-closed-primaries/

The fact McCain won the general by 59% to 39% over the democrat, informs me McCain is popular enough in his home state to win both
Republican primaries, and general elections.

The perpetual "true conservatives" think they wield more power, than they actually do. We had a prolific member on this site, Arizona resident, who assured the members that McCain would fail, since NOBODY she knew supported McCain.

That pattern seems to repeat itself over and over; the idea one hears the "true conservatives" making a lot of noise, then they wield immense power.

Yet Nixon spoke of the "silent majority" which is a concept Republicans ought to familiarize themselves with.   

[Cyber Liberty]

I expect you will fill all of us in on exactly how primaries work, in Arizona.

I show below the link, for the primary race in question. The fact McCain won by 56% to 32% over Hackworth, informs me democrat crossovers did NOT alter the election.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Arizona,_2010

According to this site, Arizona has a closed primary.

https://grassrootsidgop.wordpress.com/list-of-states-with-open-and-closed-primaries/

The fact McCain won the general by 59% to 39% over the democrat, informs me McCain is popular enough in his home state to win both
Republican primaries, and general elections.

The perpetual "true conservatives" think they wield more power, than they actually do. We had a prolific member on this site, Arizona resident, who assured the members that McCain would fail, since NOBODY she knew supported McCain.

That pattern seems to repeat itself over and over; the idea one hears the "true conservatives" making a lot of noise, then they wield immense power.

Yet Nixon spoke of the "silent majority" which is a concept Republicans ought to familiarize themselves with.

Not much point in talking to you about this, you have all the answers....

[Cyber Liberty]

You are misinformed.  Indies can vote in GOP Primary.  Not closed, hasn't been in many years.

[Cyber Liberty]

Thanks Cyber.  Here, we have closed primaries and Independents cannot vote at all in the primary.  That's the main reason I'm still registered as a Republican - so I can vote.  The last primary election with challenger Matt Bevin was the closest I can remember, but Mitch ran a dirty thug campaign.  You wouldn't think a 30 year incumbent would have to do such a thing, but he did.  Apparently his record just wasn't enough.  He'll probably die in office too - but instead of the Ted Kennedy plan, I call it the Robert Byrd plan.

 

According to Seeker, I don't understand how Primaries work in AZ.  All those years as a Precinct Committeeman were pointless I suppose.

[Bigun]

According to Seeker, I don't understand how Primaries work in AZ.  All those years as a Precinct Committeeman were pointless I suppose.

Don't let these people get to you my friend.  It isn't worth it!

[sinkspur]

Thanks Cyber.  Here, we have closed primaries and Independents cannot vote at all in the primary.  That's the main reason I'm still registered as a Republican - so I can vote.  The last primary election with challenger Matt Bevin was the closest I can remember, but Mitch ran a dirty thug campaign.  You wouldn't think a 30 year incumbent would have to do such a thing, but he did.  Apparently his record just wasn't enough.  He'll probably die in office too - but instead of the Ted Kennedy plan, I call it the Robert Byrd plan.

 

Mitch ran a "dirty thug" campaign?  The way I remember it, Bevin sunk himself. He had some skeletons in his closet (which are fair game) and Mitch revealed them.  Then, for some unknown reason, he goes to a cockfight and decides he's ready to look the other way on them.

Bevin was a pathetic candidate, only outdone by the hapless Alison Lundergan Grimes.   

[Cyber Liberty]

Mitch ran a "dirty thug" campaign?  The way I remember it, Bevin sunk himself. He had some skeletons in his closet (which are fair game) and Mitch revealed them.  Then, for some unknown reason, he goes to a cockfight and decides he's ready to look the other way on them.

Bevin was a pathetic candidate, only outdone by the hapless Alison Lundergan Grimes.

Agreed.  Bevin was hapless.

[alicewonders]

Mitch ran a "dirty thug" campaign?  The way I remember it, Bevin sunk himself. He had some skeletons in his closet (which are fair game) and Mitch revealed them.  Then, for some unknown reason, he goes to a cockfight and decides he's ready to look the other way on them.

Bevin was a pathetic candidate, only outdone by the hapless Alison Lundergan Grimes.

I was here in Kentucky - I got the junk mail from Mitch - and I know the tactics he used were beneath what an incumbent would use.  Making flyers to look like they came from the State Attorney General warning Kentucky voters of fraud concerning Matt Bevin.  Lots of crap like that.  When I get junk mail from businesses that try that kind of stuff - I throw it away and make a mental note to never do business with them. 

Matt Bevin got more than 1 out of 3 votes against incumbent McConnell - that shows a fair amount of discontent.  Bevin is running for Governor now and I support him - I'm sick of lifetime politicians.  I want to see regular people represent me in Washington - for a change. 

[Luis Gonzalez]

Mitch ran a "dirty thug" campaign?  The way I remember it, Bevin sunk himself. He had some skeletons in his closet (which are fair game) and Mitch revealed them.  Then, for some unknown reason, he goes to a cockfight and decides he's ready to look the other way on them.

Bevin was a pathetic candidate, only outdone by the hapless Alison Lundergan Grimes.

Rand Paul's endorsement of Mitch didn't help Bevin either.

[alicewonders]

Rand Paul's endorsement of Mitch didn't help Bevin either.

You are correct about that.  I saw Paul interviewed on Glenn Beck once & Beck asked him why he endorsed McConnell instead of anyone else and Rand Paul said something like, "no one else was running against him at the time".  I thought the answer was a half-hearted endorsement of Mitch - probably some kind of deal he felt he had to make to further his own presidential interests.  At first that bothered me, but I'm not going to hold it against him. 

I think Rand Paul has thought out this plan to run for president for many years, after watching his father run unsuccessfully.  I think he is uniquely positioned to run and I'm very interested to see how he does it.

[Luis Gonzalez]

You are correct about that.  I saw Paul interviewed on Glenn Beck once & Beck asked him why he endorsed McConnell instead of anyone else and Rand Paul said something like, "no one else was running against him at the time".  I thought the answer was a half-hearted endorsement of Mitch - probably some kind of deal he felt he had to make to further his own presidential interests.  At first that bothered me, but I'm not going to hold it against him. 

I think Rand Paul has thought out this plan to run for president for many years, after watching his father run unsuccessfully.  I think he is uniquely positioned to run and I'm very interested to see how he does it.

McConnell picked a man married to Ron Paul's granddaughter as his campaign manager in that election.

Then he got Paul's endorsement.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Not much point in talking to you about this, you have all the answers....

You mean not much point in you arguing the facts laid out before you...and not much point in educating yourself either.  It is clearly a waste of other's time.

But for anyone who does want to know the facts...AZ has a semi-closed primary.  Independents may vote in either primary but not both and rats can't vote in the GOP primary regardless of what you say.

[Bigun]

You mean not much point in you arguing the facts laid out before you...and not much point in educating yourself either.  It is clearly a waste of other's time.

But for anyone who does want to know the facts...AZ has a semi-closed primary.  Independents may vote in either primary but not both and rats can't vote in the GOP primary regardless of what you say.

TOTAL BS! You do not know what your are talking about.

ANY registered voter can walk into a GOP poling place on primary day and declare that they wish to vote in the GOP primary and do so.  The ONLY restriction is that after they have done so they cannot then go and vote in any Democrat primary runoff  that may occur.

[Oceander]

The way spell check corrected "conservatives" on my phone.

Thanks, I'll fix it.

P.S. I wish this site was more phone friendly.

I actually like that spelling better!

I don't know if simplemachines has made a mobile version of the forum code.

[Carling]

Good to see conservatives doing what they do best...attacking Republicans.

Come on now.  McCain needs to go.  He should have respectfully stepped down and tried to endorse another GOP candidate.  His time was done prior to 2008.  I support this primary challenge to McCain.  I can't stand the guy.