Dems vow to protect Boehner from conservative coup

[flowers]

bfl

[truth_seeker]

Very conservative 3rd party candidate wins by a landslide. You say this seriously?

The ONLY conservative to win since the depression, wouldn't even qualify as conservative today.

Amnesty, retreat from Lebanon, abortions while governor, tax hikes, etc. Oh, he eliminated zero departments, btw.

And yet your delusion forces you to state only a conservative can win now.

Reality is that Eisenhower, Nixon, Ford, Bush I and Bush II held the Presidency. The whacko birds all say they are rinos and moderates.

[jmyrlefuller]

Here's the basic take-away:  because the conservatives have no sense of how politics actually works, they are essentially making their own worst accusations come true:  they're pushing Boehner closer and closer to the democrats.

Consider this:  right now Boehner doesn't owe the democrats any real political favors because he didn't get to where he is with their help.  That changes radically once he has to rely on the democrats to survive the coup d'etat being attempted by a coterie of self-proclaimed "conservative" republicans.  That help won't come without strings, and Boehner will be much more beholden to the democrats than he's ever been.

In other words, Boehner and the moderate/center-right republicans are becoming more and more indistinguishable from the democrats because of the so-called "conservative" republicans, not in spite of them.

That may be true if there were a coup d'etat brewing right now. As far as we know, there isn't—there was an attempt at the start of the session, but all they needed at the time was to prevent Boehner from getting the majority. If they tried to pull off such a coup now, they'd need to have someone with enough support to earn a majority of votes, and that isn't going to happen. The House conservatives are, for the most part, not idiots.

What needs to change is the Senate leadership.

[jmyrlefuller]

That "goal" is beyond the reach of a fraction of the GOP that picks unpopular positions, and lacks the ability to move public opinion. They don't educate, explain, convince, persuade. They wind up on the losing side of another PR episode.

A bill put on the Presidents desk to shut down our security in the time of terrorism, will rightfully be blocked by him, and a majority of citizens will agree with him.

Very little of Homeland Security funding is discretionary; it would not be affected by any shutdown.

A bill to deport a 15 year old, brought here when he was 2 years old, will be blocked by him, and a majority of citizens will agree with him.

That 15 year old stole tens of thousands of dollars worth of free public education at taxpayer expense and, if a high achiever, prevented an American citizen from achieving the same honors.

But even if your premise is true—and given how the country voted in 2012, there may be some truth to the fact that the American people are simply too stupid to know right and wrong (there is such a thing as false equivalency and it runs rampant) and will willingly support blatantly wrong positions, may I also note: it is easier to target opposition at one person than a nebulous crowd.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Dittos to what Luis said.  Great post Oceander.

[Oceander]

That may be true if there were a coup d'etat brewing right now. As far as we know, there isn't—there was an attempt at the start of the session, but all they needed at the time was to prevent Boehner from getting the majority. If they tried to pull off such a coup now, they'd need to have someone with enough support to earn a majority of votes, and that isn't going to happen. The House conservatives are, for the most part, not idiots.

What needs to change is the Senate leadership.

With all due respect, the so-called conservatives in Congress are shot through with idiocy.  There are, to be sure, some intelligent folk, but they're letting themselves be led around by the nose by the showboating idiots.

[Oceander]

As is yours from my point of view!

We've been doing it your way for a VERY long time and what has that gotten us?

Not only has your way not got us anything, your way - which includes the third party threat - has in fact lost us an election or two.  Ross Perot didn't do anyone other than the democrats any favors by running as a third party candidate.

[Oceander]

Not one candidate has actually made an announcement that they are going to run, so I'm not so sure where you are getting the fact that the DEMS have at least one candidate in place.  The MSM has pre-selected candidates for us; Clinton and Bush. Hillary is receiving a lot of negative press right now with her latest scandal of e-mails linked to Benghazi.  Bush is no faring too well in the polls.  So actually, the hopefuls of both parties don't seem to be going the way that the MSM would like. The GOP has more viable candidates than the DEMS, so in that respect we are clearly ahead.  IF the GOPe would just get their heads out of their butts and recognize that a conservative is needed in order to win. Secondly the election is almost 2 years away.  Instead of focusing on the election perhaps the focus should be on stopping Obama policy as voted on by the majority during the mid terms.  People don't want more Obama policy (DEMS) they want an alternative and someone who can lead this country out of the chaos created by Obama policy.

The GOPe is NOT the answer as they tend to side with the DEMS and have allowed Obama's policies to be put in place.  Clearly not how the voters voted in the mid terms. 

Any way you cut it, the best shot at winning the oval office is either a GOP TEA candidate or third party. 

It has been publicized that most candidates will be announcing their run Mid-March to Mid-April.

Not a single Republican in Congress voted for Obamacare - they didn't do a lick to implement that policy - and when Boehner started discussions of a suit against Obuttocks for attempting to infringe on Congressional prerogative, all we got here was whinging.

[Bigun]

Not only has your way not got us anything, your way - which includes the third party threat - has in fact lost us an election or two.  Ross Perot didn't do anyone other than the democrats any favors by running as a third party candidate.

YOU simply cannot resist attempting to put words in the mouths of others that were never said! Neither you nor anyone else here has ever heard me say a word advocating ANY third party movement!

MY way has not been tried! The closest we ever came to it in MY lifetime was under Reagan but even that was hamstrung by many just like yourself who quake in their boots at the meer thought of the GOP actually FIGHTING the left on  anything!

I repeat! We've been doing things your way for many years and what has that gotten us? Nothing but ever closer to the point of no return!