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PAPER: OBAMA THREATENED TO SHOOT DOWN ISRAELI JETS
« on: March 01, 2015, 04:54:32 pm »
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/191966#.VPND9S6GNOU

Report: Obama Threatened to Shoot Down IAF Iran Strike
Kuwaiti paper claims unnamed Israeli minister with good ties with the US administration 'revealed the attack plan to John Kerry.'
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By Mark Langfan
First Publish: 3/1/2015, 4:18 PM

The Bethlehem-based news agency Ma’an has cited a Kuwaiti newspaper report Saturday, that US President Barack Obama thwarted an Israeli military attack against Iran's nuclear facilities in 2014 by threatening to shoot down Israeli jets before they could reach their targets in Iran.

Following Obama's threat, Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu was reportedly forced to abort the planned Iran attack.

According to Al-Jarida, the Netanyahu government took the decision to strike Iran some time in 2014 soon after Israel had discovered the United States and Iran had been involved in secret talks over Iran’s nuclear program and were about to sign an agreement in that regard behind Israel's back.

The report claimed that an unnamed Israeli minister who has good ties with the US administration revealed the attack plan to Secretary of State John Kerry, and that Obama then threatened to shoot down the Israeli jets before they could reach their targets in Iran.

Al-Jarida quoted "well-placed" sources as saying that Netanyahu, along with Minister of Defense Moshe Yaalon, and then-Foreign Minister Avigdor Liberman, had decided to carry out airstrikes against Iran's nuclear program after consultations with top security commanders.

According to the report, “Netanyahu and his commanders agreed after four nights of deliberations to task the Israeli army's chief of staff, Benny Gantz, to prepare a qualitative operation against Iran's nuclear program. In addition, Netanyahu and his ministers decided to do whatever they could do to thwart a possible agreement between Iran and the White House because such an agreement is, allegedly, a threat to Israel's security.”

The sources added that Gantz and his commanders prepared the requested plan and that Israeli fighter jets trained for several weeks in order to make sure the plans would work successfully. Israeli fighter jets reportedly even carried out experimental flights in Iran's airspace after they managed to break through radars.

Brzezinski's idea

Former US diplomat Zbigniew Brzezinski, who enthusiastically campaigned for Obama in 2008, called on him to shoot down Israeli planes if they attack Iran. “They have to fly over our airspace in Iraq. Are we just going to sit there and watch?” said the former national security advisor to former President Jimmy Carter in an interview with the Daily Beast.

“We have to be serious about denying them that right,” he said. “If they fly over, you go up and confront them. They have the choice of turning back or not. No one wishes for this but it could be a 'Liberty' in reverse.’"

Israel mistakenly attacked the American Liberty ship during the Six-Day War in 1967.

Brzezinski was a top candidate to become an official advisor to President Obama, but he was downgraded after Republican and pro-Israel Democratic charges during the campaign that Brzezinski’s anti-Israel attitude would damage Obama at the polls.
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Re: PAPER: OBAMA THREATENED TO SHOOT DOWN ISRAELI JETS
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2015, 04:58:31 pm »
Perhaps true and perhaps not but I'll bet you that there isn't one person posting here who would put it past him!

I know for sure I wouldn't!
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Re: PAPER: OBAMA THREATENED TO SHOOT DOWN ISRAELI JETS
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2015, 05:21:35 pm »
I would lay you odds that it is true. I at this point would have problems believing any denial of the incident coming from Obama.  He lost all credibility a long long time ago.   :patriot:
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Re: PAPER: OBAMA THREATENED TO SHOOT DOWN ISRAELI JETS
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2015, 05:26:44 pm »
Perhaps true and perhaps not but I'll bet you that there isn't one person posting here who would put it past him!

I know for sure I wouldn't!
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Re: PAPER: OBAMA THREATENED TO SHOOT DOWN ISRAELI JETS
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2015, 05:30:56 pm »
I would lay you odds that it is true. I at this point would have problems believing any denial of the incident coming from Obama.  He lost all credibility a long long time ago.   :patriot:

EXACTLY
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Re: PAPER: OBAMA THREATENED TO SHOOT DOWN ISRAELI JETS
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2015, 07:07:47 pm »
Let's run a small, unscientific test.

Headline #1 - Obama threatened to shoot down Israeli fighters

Headline #2 - Bush threatened to shoot down Israeli fighters.

Your brain immediately dismiesed one of those two headlines as total BS. It also accepted the possibility that the other was true.

That tells you everything that you need to know.
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Re: PAPER: OBAMA THREATENED TO SHOOT DOWN ISRAELI JETS
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2015, 07:20:32 pm »
If true, and I stress if true, this is the main reason why I would vote for a RINO...
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Re: PAPER: OBAMA THREATENED TO SHOOT DOWN ISRAELI JETS
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2015, 07:31:01 pm »
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Memorandum of Agreement on Security Cooperation
(October 31, 1998)

In view of the long-standing security relationship between the United States and Israel and the long-term commitment by the United States to the maintenance of Israel's qualitative edge, and considering the developing regional threats emanating from the acquisition of ballistic missile capabilities and the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, the governments of the United States and Israel have decided to work jointly consistent with their long-standing policies towards the attainment of the following objectives:

    • Enhancing Israel's defensive and deterrent capabilities.

    • Upgrading the framework of the U.S.-Israeli strategic and military relationships, as well as the technological cooperation between them.

The two governments will forthwith designate representatives to a joint strategic planning committee which will formulate specific recommendations on steps that can be implemented as quickly as possible to advance the foregoing objectives.

The United States Government would view with particular gravity direct threats to Israel's security arising from the regional deployment of ballistic missiles of intermediate range or greater. In the event of such a threat, the United States Government would consult promptly with the Government of Israel with respect to what support, diplomatic or otherwise, or assistance, it can lend to Israel.

This Memorandum of Agreement has been done in duplicate in the English language at Jerusalem and Washington, D.C. and will enter into effect when each side has informed the other that it has signed an original. The two sides will exchange the signed originals for completion of the signature process.

For the Government of Israel
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« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2015, 07:33:01 pm »
    Counterterrorism cooperation accord

April 30 1996

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/Treaties/terrorism.pdf

Ratified by Congress
Signed by President Clinton


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« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2015, 07:39:17 pm »
    Counterterrorism cooperation accord

April 30 1996

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/Treaties/terrorism.pdf

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Signed by President Clinton


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Re: PAPER: OBAMA THREATENED TO SHOOT DOWN ISRAELI JETS
« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2015, 07:45:52 pm »

Someone is giving bad advice to Obama and I think I know who it is..

Does her name rhyme with "Valerie Jarrett"?
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Re: PAPER: OBAMA THREATENED TO SHOOT DOWN ISRAELI JETS
« Reply #11 on: March 01, 2015, 07:47:51 pm »
Does her name rhyme with "Valerie Jarrett"?


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Re: PAPER: OBAMA THREATENED TO SHOOT DOWN ISRAELI JETS
« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2015, 07:59:24 pm »
I would lay you odds that it is true. I at this point would have problems believing any denial of the incident coming from Obama.  He lost all credibility a long long time ago.   :patriot:

I believe he's nervous as hell, that in Bibi's speech before Congress that he will confirm threats by Obama.  Perhaps, make even additional charges.

What does he have to lose?  What do the Israeli people have to lose?

It's not a mystery why Israel is the Middle East's SOLE thriving economy in the Middle East.  Nor, is it strange that Arabs living in Israel would rather be there than ANYWHERE.

Simply implying the Barack Obama is not a friend of Israel and then unloading with points should do the trick.
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Re: PAPER: OBAMA THREATENED TO SHOOT DOWN ISRAELI JETS
« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2015, 08:04:16 pm »
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Israel mistakenly attacked the American Liberty ship during the Six-Day War in 1967.

This attack was not an accident.  The USS Liberty, in international waters, was tracked by Israeli aircraft for hours.  The IDF knew it was an American ship and attacked it without mercy killing 34 American sailors, wounding 174 and turning the ship into scrap metal.

To this day no one knows why.

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« Reply #14 on: March 01, 2015, 08:12:52 pm »
This attack was not an accident.  The USS Liberty, in international waters, was tracked by Israeli aircraft for hours.  The IDF knew it was an American ship and attacked it without mercy killing 34 American sailors, wounding 174 and turning the ship into scrap metal.

To this day no one knows why.

Can't help but deduce that your problem with Israel today is not limited to Bibi Netanyahu.

Watching a documentary on the Holocaust may provide evidence to explain Israel's behavior/position.

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Re: PAPER: OBAMA THREATENED TO SHOOT DOWN ISRAELI JETS
« Reply #15 on: March 01, 2015, 08:16:17 pm »
This attack was not an accident.  The USS Liberty, in international waters, was tracked by Israeli aircraft for hours.  The IDF knew it was an American ship and attacked it without mercy killing 34 American sailors, wounding 174 and turning the ship into scrap metal.

To this day no one knows why.

Fuel to stoke the fires of anti-Semitism, of course.
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« Reply #16 on: March 01, 2015, 08:23:09 pm »
Fuel to stoke the fires of anti-Semitism, of course.

The truth about this is the least we owe our dead and wounded.  Unless, of course, they do not matter.



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« Reply #17 on: March 01, 2015, 08:42:44 pm »
The truth about this is the least we owe our dead and wounded.  Unless, of course, they do not matter.

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Ignore.
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« Reply #18 on: March 01, 2015, 08:57:38 pm »
That's right.  You're the dick. 
Ignore.

Is that necessary?
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« Reply #19 on: March 01, 2015, 09:30:23 pm »
Is that necessary?

Based upon previous experience, it was quite pleasant.
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Re: PAPER: OBAMA THREATENED TO SHOOT DOWN ISRAELI JETS
« Reply #20 on: March 01, 2015, 09:34:52 pm »
This attack was not an accident.  The USS Liberty, in international waters, was tracked by Israeli aircraft for hours.  The IDF knew it was an American ship and attacked it without mercy killing 34 American sailors, wounding 174 and turning the ship into scrap metal.

To this day no one knows why.

There have been congressional investigations into this, and they found it was an accident.

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Re: PAPER: OBAMA THREATENED TO SHOOT DOWN ISRAELI JETS
« Reply #21 on: March 02, 2015, 02:38:07 am »
Let's run a small, unscientific test.

Headline #1 - Obama threatened to shoot down Israeli fighters

Headline #2 - Bush threatened to shoot down Israeli fighters.

Your brain immediately dismiesed one of those two headlines as total BS. It also accepted the possibility that the other was true.

That tells you everything that you need to know.

Try another thought experiment.

If Obama were an R and congress was majority D, when would impeachment hearings have begun?

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« Reply #22 on: March 02, 2015, 02:57:40 am »
This was during the 6 day war. What would Israel's motive have been to intentionally attack an American ship?
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Re: PAPER: OBAMA THREATENED TO SHOOT DOWN ISRAELI JETS
« Reply #23 on: March 02, 2015, 04:58:07 am »
This attack was not an accident.  The USS Liberty, in international waters, was tracked by Israeli aircraft for hours.  The IDF knew it was an American ship and attacked it without mercy killing 34 American sailors, wounding 174 and turning the ship into scrap metal.

To this day no one knows why.
Because we stuck our nose into somebody else's war, not the fault of the sailors or the IDF
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Re: PAPER: OBAMA THREATENED TO SHOOT DOWN ISRAELI JETS
« Reply #24 on: March 02, 2015, 05:33:28 am »
Can't help but deduce that your problem with Israel today is not limited to Bibi Netanyahu.

Watching a documentary on the Holocaust may provide evidence to explain Israel's behavior/position.

"Never Again!!".    Personally, I'm glad that they have a leader that believes words mean something.

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